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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Find the attitude of ASTI and teachers disgraceful. I'm disgusted but unfortunately not surprised.

    Teachers and childcare professionals are absolutely essential workers and it's essential our young people get an education. Schools should have stayed open at almost any cost - we know that the risk to young people is minimal so closing schools to prevent spread is complete greed on behalf of older people who will sacrifice the future of our young people.

    Eh we have stayed open at all cost from Sep-Dec even during Level 5 when other people were all wfh.

    Also we are at 8,000 cases now with a new strain that spreads much more easily especially among young people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    "we" is anybody who's done any type of reading on the topic!

    For example you could start here https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/facts/questions-answers-school-transmission

    Awww sweet pity not up todate on the new strain which is 50-70% more infectious have you anyting from 1918 to prove your point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭gifted


    Norma Foley surely has to go?

    Without a doubt....the worst minister ever ....really is very poor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Responder XY


    Danick wrote: »
    Read the facts - your grasp of the new covid strain is limited to say the least!

    interesting, please provide references. I have seen speculation, but no evidence that the new strain in the UK might spread quicker in children.

    Even if that proves correct that it does spread quicker amongst children (And I repeat, there seems to be no evidence for that), the overwhelming evidence is that it doesn't make anyone any sicker and children rarely get sick from Covid. However they do suffer greatly from a lack of education. On balance it's not sensible to restrict education to protect them from Covid.

    Unless of course you are greedy and you would rather harm children than take other steps to limit covid harm. For example, nobody is suggesting closing nursing homes in case the staff there get covid - they recongise that they are essential and they continue on as best they can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I for one would support the teachers on this if they refused to attend schools.

    They won't be attending. ASTI have withdrawn cooperation with the plan,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭appledrop


    We need TUI now to step up to mark and follow ASTI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    They won't be attending. ASTI have withdrawn cooperation with the plan,

    What about the TUI?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Foley has to go. What a disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,994 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    appledrop wrote: »
    We need TUI now to step up to mark and follow ASTI.

    ASTI on their would be enough to kill the plan, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 35,395 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Foley has to go. What a disaster.

    Correct , you must recognise the Gov as a whole too though. They went ahead with no talks with the unions, nphet etc which was utterly stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    What about the TUI?

    One union withdrawing is enough to force a rethink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,113 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...


    I suppose you think the Minister is playing a blinder.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Aegir wrote: »
    Secondary, but we still have to pay for books (which pisses me off no end)

    I'd be pissed too, hopefully there's small class sizes though!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 35,395 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

    I would swap lower with higher, but whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

    Glad they could help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭appledrop


    ASTI on their would be enough to kill the plan, no?

    No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

    If both come together its dead in water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

    If it makes you feel any better, they don't exist for your approval :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    appledrop wrote: »
    No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

    If both come together its dead in water.

    Forsa will probably pull the SNAs and that's the special schools and classes gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Well done teachers and ASTI, this plan was madness from the start and totally avoidable had the department spent any time actually planning.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Foleys position is now untenable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    appledrop wrote: »
    No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

    If both come together its dead in water.

    Everyone on Twitter start getting at them. I dont have Twitter but I'll email them and contact them via Facebook.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,994 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    appledrop wrote: »
    No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

    If both come together its dead in water.

    But if all/most ASTI members are refusing to cooperate, surely that by itself makes the plan unworkable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭gifted


    Foleys position is now untenable.

    Wonder if she thinks the partners in eduacation are still generous this evening?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,994 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

    article-1303386931128-0bb8e23000000578-914302_636x377.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C320&ssl=1

    I'll tell you, honestly, I would love it if they're forced to teach the sixth years, LOVE IT!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Foleys position is now untenable.

    She should learn how to share and not to lie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Schools stayed open from Sep-Dec and even during a lockdown Level 5 when everything closed.

    She has no appreciation whatsoever for how much of an achievement and how stressful this was for schools but they did it for greater good.

    She took it a step too far without linking consulting with schools and its game over now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Danick


    interesting, please provide references. I have seen speculation, but no evidence that the new strain in the UK might spread quicker in children.

    Even if that proves correct that it does spread quicker amongst children (And I repeat, there seems to be no evidence for that), the overwhelming evidence is that it doesn't make anyone any sicker and children rarely get sick from Covid. However they do suffer greatly from a lack of education. On balance it's not sensible to restrict education to protect them from Covid.

    Unless of course you are greedy and you would rather harm children than take other steps to limit covid harm. For example, nobody is suggesting closing nursing homes in case the staff there get covid - they recongise that they are essential and they continue on as best they can.

    Why should I educate u about a topic when you can easily google it? It’s 2021 the info is literally at your fingertips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    article-1303386931128-0bb8e23000000578-914302_636x377.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C320&ssl=1

    I'll tell you, honestly, I would love it if they're forced to teach the sixth years, LOVE IT!

    To be fair - if it's really truly unsafe (and mean more than any other front line worker) - then maybe they should not be attending schools. I'll leave calling this to public health officials.


    But the absolute wolly about how can i teach a class in my class and then sit at my desk and do an online class is actually sad. How useless do you have to be for this to actually be a challenge. In a year where whole companies have changed everything...........


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    article-1303386931128-0bb8e23000000578-914302_636x377.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C320&ssl=1

    I'll tell you, honestly, I would love it if they're forced to teach the sixth years, LOVE IT!

    Ah yeah, whats forcing people into an unsafe environment for literally no reason?

    Such a barrel of laughs.

    I’d love if your where forced onto an ICU ward to see how long you could watch.


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