Schools closed until February? (part 3)

appledrop

Responder XY wrote: »

Find the attitude of ASTI and teachers disgraceful. I'm disgusted but unfortunately not surprised.

Teachers and childcare professionals are absolutely essential workers and it's essential our young people get an education. Schools should have stayed open at almost any cost - we know that the risk to young people is minimal so closing schools to prevent spread is complete greed on behalf of older people who will sacrifice the future of our young people.

Eh we have stayed open at all cost from Sep-Dec even during Level 5 when other people were all wfh.

Also we are at 8,000 cases now with a new strain that spreads much more easily especially among young people.

khalessi

Responder XY wrote: »

"we" is anybody who's done any type of reading on the topic!

For example you could start here https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/facts/questions-answers-school-transmission

Awww sweet pity not up todate on the new strain which is 50-70% more infectious have you anyting from 1918 to prove your point?

gifted

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Norma Foley surely has to go?

Without a doubt....the worst minister ever ....really is very poor.

Responder XY

Danick wrote: »

Read the facts - your grasp of the new covid strain is limited to say the least!

interesting, please provide references. I have seen speculation, but no evidence that the new strain in the UK might spread quicker in children.

Even if that proves correct that it does spread quicker amongst children (And I repeat, there seems to be no evidence for that), the overwhelming evidence is that it doesn't make anyone any sicker and children rarely get sick from Covid. However they do suffer greatly from a lack of education. On balance it's not sensible to restrict education to protect them from Covid.

Unless of course you are greedy and you would rather harm children than take other steps to limit covid harm. For example, nobody is suggesting closing nursing homes in case the staff there get covid - they recongise that they are essential and they continue on as best they can.

wirelessdude01

JeffKenna wrote: »

I for one would support the teachers on this if they refused to attend schools.

They won't be attending. ASTI have withdrawn cooperation with the plan,

appledrop

We need TUI now to step up to mark and follow ASTI.

JeffKenna

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

They won't be attending. ASTI have withdrawn cooperation with the plan,

What about the TUI?

ACitizenErased

Foley has to go. What a disaster.

Loafing Oaf

appledrop wrote: »

We need TUI now to step up to mark and follow ASTI.

ASTI on their would be enough to kill the plan, no?

facehugger99

Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

ShamoBuc

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Foley has to go. What a disaster.

Correct , you must recognise the Gov as a whole too though. They went ahead with no talks with the unions, nphet etc which was utterly stupid.

wirelessdude01

JeffKenna wrote: »

What about the TUI?

One union withdrawing is enough to force a rethink.

Fann Linn

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

I suppose you think the Minister is playing a blinder.

Stateofyou

Aegir wrote: »

Secondary, but we still have to pay for books (which pisses me off no end)

I'd be pissed too, hopefully there's small class sizes though!

ShamoBuc

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

I would swap lower with higher, but whatever.

wirelessdude01

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

Glad they could help.

appledrop

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

ASTI on their would be enough to kill the plan, no?

No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

If both come together its dead in water.

Bananaleaf

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

If it makes you feel any better, they don't exist for your approval

wirelessdude01

appledrop wrote: »

No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

If both come together its dead in water.

Forsa will probably pull the SNAs and that's the special schools and classes gone.

thomas 123

Well done teachers and ASTI, this plan was madness from the start and totally avoidable had the department spent any time actually planning.

Endintheclowns

Foleys position is now untenable.

Bananaleaf

appledrop wrote: »

No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

If both come together its dead in water.

Everyone on Twitter start getting at them. I dont have Twitter but I'll email them and contact them via Facebook.

Loafing Oaf

appledrop wrote: »

No we need unity on this. Some schools have spilt of staff some ASTI, some TUI some no union.

If both come together its dead in water.

But if all/most ASTI members are refusing to cooperate, surely that by itself makes the plan unworkable?

gifted

Endintheclowns wrote: »

Foleys position is now untenable.

Wonder if she thinks the partners in eduacation are still generous this evening?

Loafing Oaf

facehugger99 wrote: »

Just when you think the teachers and their unions can't sink any lower in your estimation...

I'll tell you, honestly, I would love it if they're forced to teach the sixth years, LOVE IT!

khalessi

Endintheclowns wrote: »

Foleys position is now untenable.

She should learn how to share and not to lie

appledrop

Schools stayed open from Sep-Dec and even during a lockdown Level 5 when everything closed.

She has no appreciation whatsoever for how much of an achievement and how stressful this was for schools but they did it for greater good.

She took it a step too far without linking consulting with schools and its game over now.

Danick

Responder XY wrote: »

interesting, please provide references. I have seen speculation, but no evidence that the new strain in the UK might spread quicker in children.

Even if that proves correct that it does spread quicker amongst children (And I repeat, there seems to be no evidence for that), the overwhelming evidence is that it doesn't make anyone any sicker and children rarely get sick from Covid. However they do suffer greatly from a lack of education. On balance it's not sensible to restrict education to protect them from Covid.

Unless of course you are greedy and you would rather harm children than take other steps to limit covid harm. For example, nobody is suggesting closing nursing homes in case the staff there get covid - they recongise that they are essential and they continue on as best they can.

Why should I educate u about a topic when you can easily google it? It’s 2021 the info is literally at your fingertips.

FileNotFound

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'll tell you, honestly, I would love it if they're forced to teach the sixth years, LOVE IT!

To be fair - if it's really truly unsafe (and mean more than any other front line worker) - then maybe they should not be attending schools. I'll leave calling this to public health officials.


But the absolute wolly about how can i teach a class in my class and then sit at my desk and do an online class is actually sad. How useless do you have to be for this to actually be a challenge. In a year where whole companies have changed everything...........

thomas 123

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'll tell you, honestly, I would love it if they're forced to teach the sixth years, LOVE IT!

Ah yeah, whats forcing people into an unsafe environment for literally no reason?

Such a barrel of laughs.

I’d love if your where forced onto an ICU ward to see how long you could watch.