Would you date someone outside your race?

mr_fegelien

People are entitled to dating preferences but I'm curious as to how many would venture out of their race? The overwhelming majority stay within their race (whether white, black, asian, etc.)

I know a few Irish guys and gals that have dated outside their race (and by race I mean White Irish dating a Chinese Irish or Black Irish. not a French or Spaniard as those are nationalities/ethnicities).

Most of the people who date outside their race though would be hesitant to consider a long term relationship. I guess the same for women who would date a shorter man/men dating a taller woman but not consider maryying them.

As it's not racist, I'd hope posters would be honest.

Pawwed Rig

Define race?
Irish people, historically, would not be the same race as a German, Spaniard or Italian but as you have excluded these then it is unclear as to where your definition of race starts and ends. If you are using a very simplistic (US norm) definition of black or brown or Asian then this would also separate Spanish and 'white' people.

gozunda

mr_fegelien wrote: »

People are entitled to dating preferences but I'm curious as to how many would venture out of their race? The overwhelming majority stay within their race (whether white, black, asian, etc.)

I know a few Irish guys and gals that have dated outside their race (and by race I mean White Irish dating a Chinese Irish or Black Irish. not a French or Spaniard as those are nationalities/ethnicities).

Most of the people who date outside their race though would be hesitant to consider a long term relationship. I guess the same for women who would date a shorter man/men dating a taller woman but not consider maryying them.

As it's not racist, I'd hope posters would be honest.

Many moons ago I met a really nice Caribbean girl in London. She was quite upfront that she did not find white people attractive...

banie01

gozunda wrote: »

Many moons ago I met a really nice Caribbean girl in London. She was quite upfront that she did not find white people attractive...

But because the Irish are the blacks of Europe....
You were in like Flynn with her?

bobbyy gee

what about travelers

Pherekydes

We are all the same race.

mr_fegelien

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Define race?
Irish people, historically, would not be the same race as a German, Spaniard or Italian but as you have excluded these then it is unclear as to where your definition of race starts and ends. If you are using a very simplistic (US norm) definition of black or brown or Asian then this would also separate Spanish and 'white' people.

Well white race generally includes people who have Caucasian features (light skin, blue eyes), and have origins/roots in Europe.

Black race includes people who have dark skin, coiled hair, and have origins/family roots in Africa.

Asian race includes Chinese, Indians, Filipinos who have varying features but have origins/roots in Asia.

Arab includes people from the Middle East who have similar features to Caucasians but have origins/roots in the Middle East.


I know race is mostly a social construct but I think you know what I mean. Generally when I say race I tie in as well would you date a person who's family is not Irish/European or has any roots to European heritage.

mr_fegelien

bobbyy gee wrote: »

what about travelers

I've heard they have a different genealogy than Irish people so although they are white.

mr_fegelien

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I've heard they have a different genealogy than Irish people so although they are white.

You heard wrong, unless inbreeding has warped the DNA strands. Travellers are unique culturally and nothing more.

440Hertz

Did I just stumble into 1950s Alabama here ?!

Of course I’d go out with (we don’t “date” in Ireland ...) someone outside my own ethnic background and I have done and it posed far, far fewer cultural barriers than that time I went out with a redhead from Mayo tbh.

People are people and cultures and attitudes vary. If you don’t get on with someone, don’t go out with them. Their race is just a superficial thing. Who they are, whether they’re good craic, whether you click and whether you share common ways of seeing the world are nothing to do with ethnicity.

Personally, I’m not into people who are very hardcore religious, hold extreme political views and social conservatives for example, mostly because I can’t be dealing with dogmatic beliefs but that’s not about race.

Go out with whoever it is you click with! Have a laugh and enjoy life. It’s far too short to be droaning on about racial prejudices.

Pawwed Rig

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Well white race generally includes people who have Caucasian features (light skin, blue eyes), and have origins/roots in Europe.

Black race includes people who have dark skin, coiled hair, and have origins/family roots in Africa.

Asian race includes Chinese, Indians, Filipinos who have varying features but have origins/roots in Asia.

Arab includes people from the Middle East who have similar features to Caucasians but have origins/roots in the Middle East.


I know race is mostly a social construct but I think you know what I mean. Generally when I say race I tie in as well would you date a person who's family is not Irish/European or has any roots to European heritage.

White or black are not races. They are colours. What about arabs? They would have more in common with southern Europeans looks wise than northern. So why are they a race but Spanish are not?

Irish people would not have been considered Aryan (the old word for caucasian ) but would have been seen as a separate entity. The Slavs are also not Aryan so there are 3 races that you are grouping together as 'white'. There are even more distinctions in Africa where there is a much wider diversity of DNA between different ethnic groups than there would be between an Irish person and a Chinese person.

So you are not talking about race here at all. You are talking about colour (or US identity politics defined race). Where does 'white' end and 'brown' begin. Where does 'Asian' start and 'European' end.

smellyoldboot

It's something of a moot point for me, I have no intention of "dating" again, quite happy where I am, but honestly I don't know. I think attraction is somewhat linked in a lot of us to that which we see is similar to ourselves. I think the "reach" for most white people is Orientals, similar enough in appearance but just different enough to be exotic. Can honestly say have never really found black girls to be as attractive, even South Asians, Indians etc I would struggle to see as pretty.

I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that tbh, it's inbuilt natural bias and we admit that to ourselves we'll have a much healthier relationship with our attitudes to racism.

saabsaab

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

White or black are not races. They are colours. What about arabs? They would have more in common with southern Europeans looks wise than northern. So why are they a race but Spanish are not?

Irish people would not have been considered Aryan (the old word for caucasian ) but would have been seen as a separate entity. The Slavs are also not Aryan so there are 3 races that you are grouping together as 'white'. There are even more distinctions in Africa where there is a much wider diversity of DNA between different ethnic groups than there would be between an Irish person and a Chinese person.

So you are not talking about race here at all. You are talking about colour (or US identity politics defined race). Where does 'white' end and 'brown' begin. Where does 'Asian' start and 'European' end.

I guess he's going by the old definition of the 5 races of man in a general sense. Of course we are all the human race.


Yes I would if I liked her and vice versa.

larva

If they are humans then they are all fair game would be my philosophy. White Black Arabs, suppose its like how you take your tea or coffee, just try them all and then you'll find out or not.

mr_fegelien

smellyoldboot wrote: »

It's something of a moot point for me, I have no intention of "dating" again, quite happy where I am, but honestly I don't know. I think attraction is somewhat linked in a lot of us to that which we see is similar to ourselves. I think the "reach" for most white people is Orientals, similar enough in appearance but just different enough to be exotic. Can honestly say have never really found black girls to be as attractive, even South Asians, Indians etc I would struggle to see as pretty.

I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that tbh, it's inbuilt natural bias and we admit that to ourselves we'll have a much healthier relationship with our attitudes to racism.

This is in general the answer I think most Irish people would hold. Nothing wrong with it but those who would date outside their race would have preference for races that resemble whites the most. Middle Easterner's (with the exception of their religion I find most White Irish men would date them). Latina's (who also have a lot of white blood due to their history of Spanish/Portugese imperalism).

Women who are black are not considered very attractive. But I disagree with you on South Asians, At least the ones who are 'Westernised' I find very hot. Same with mixed race light skinned Indian women.

Sam Hain

Pherekydes wrote: »

We are all the same race.

Erm... you are wrong.

Wibbs

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Women who are black are not considered very attractive.

By Whom? You? The Ku Klux Klan? Nazis?

jam_mac_jam

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

White or black are not races. They are colours. What about arabs? They would have more in common with southern Europeans looks wise than northern. So why are they a race but Spanish are not?

Irish people would not have been considered Aryan (the old word for caucasian ) but would have been seen as a separate entity. The Slavs are also not Aryan so there are 3 races that you are grouping together as 'white'. There are even more distinctions in Africa where there is a much wider diversity of DNA between different ethnic groups than there would be between an Irish person and a Chinese person.

So you are not talking about race here at all. You are talking about colour (or US identity politics defined race). Where does 'white' end and 'brown' begin. Where does 'Asian' start and 'European' end.

Aryan is not the old word for caucasian. It's a misunderstanding by occultist groups and the Nazis which was taken on.

Ayrans are ancient Iranian and Indian people. So no Irish people aren't Aryan and neither are Germans. Slavs are white, as are Irish and Spanish people. You are also getting mixed up between race and ethnicity.

Just shows how subjective this all is.

Pawwed Rig

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Aryan is not the old word for caucasian. It's a misunderstanding by occultist groups and the Nazis which was taken on.

Ayrans are ancient Iranian and Indian people. So no Irish people aren't Aryan and neither are Germans.

It is the word that is used in American identity politics for Aryan which is where the OP gets all of his opinions.

saabsaab

Wibbs wrote: »

By Whom? You? The Ku Klux Klan? Nazis?

I'm sure some of those would too.

Wibbs

Sam Hain wrote: »

Erm... you are wrong.

Race is an outmoded concept. Populations would be far more accurate. They generally follow the old racial definitions, but it's far more accurate. EG If you say "African" which population? Africa has the highest human genetic diversity on the planet. Makes sense as that's where modern humans sprang up and spread from. You could have two "Black" Africans living 100 miles apart that have the same outward physical traits but are more genetically diverse than a Swede and a Greek.

saabsaab

Wibbs wrote: »

Race is an outmoded concept. Populations would be far more accurate. They generally follow the old racial definitions, but it's far more accurate. EG If you say "African" which population? Africa has the highest human genetic diversity on the planet. Makes sense as that's where modern humans sprang up and spread from. You could have two "Black" Africans living 100 miles apart that have the same outward physical traits but are more genetically diverse than a Swede and a Greek.

I remember an African man who told me he could tell, with some certainty, what part of Africa a person came from by just looking at them. He asked could I do the same with Europeans. Not so but would have an idea of the region usually.

Wibbs

As for the original question? My preference is for Caucasian for the want of a better word, more Latin the better, olive skinned brunettes kinda thing. Some Iranian women. Oh be the hokey. I'm quite sure there are zillions of African and Asian women I'd be mad for and would have zero problem with that, but never really felt that so far. Though tbh I will say I never got the whole Asian near fetish among some. *shrugs*

larva

Ive never met a pretty woman that i didnt like, dragging racism into the equation is just racist, if I like her and she likes me then yeah, go for it, see how it fits

IAMAMORON

I have no problem dating any type of ethnicity.

But I do think it can be difficult to find harmony with different cultures. For example even our european neighbours do not align with Irish culture, obviously there are differences. But the strongest relationships I have had, have been with Irish women or men, they get the bullshight, they understand what being Irish is.

Castlekeeper

I think east African women are among the most beautiful in the world, I wonder is that why it's called "the horn of Africa"?...

Getting coat

Wibbs

saabsaab wrote: »

I remember an African man who told me he could tell, with some certainty, what part of Africa a person came from by just looking at them. He asked could I do the same with Europeans. Not so but would have an idea of the region usually.

Well Africa is a massive continent with consistent modern human occupation going back about 200,000 years, with even today different populations in the four corners of the place, whereas Europe has had modern humans for around 50,000 years and it's much more one lot of them and the populations got very small at times(ice ages and that). We're much narrower genetically.

Though interestingly our phenotype(how we look basically) is the most variable on the planet. In one extended family you could have grey/blue/brown/whatever eyes, straight hair, curly hair, brown, red, blonde, black hair. Whereas in other populations its pretty much all black hair, brown eyes. One hypothesis reckons it's because our populations did go so low that in order to avoid inbreeding we may have sought out unusual features in mates and they got added in over time.

Wibbs

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I have no problem dating any type of ethnicity.

But I do think it can be difficult to find harmony with different cultures. For example even our european neighbours do not align with Irish culture, obviously there are differences. But the strongest relationships I have had, have been with Irish women or men, they get the bullshight, they understand what being Irish is.

Funny enough I'm the opposite. I prefer the differences. Small ones anyway. In the sense of say me and an Italian. We'd be close enough so living there or here wouldn't be nearly the learning curve as me and I dunno a Fijian I also prefer a different shared experience that I can learn from. In some ways my idea of purgatory is someone having the same background to me, where there's bugger all to explore.

saabsaab

Wibbs wrote: »

Well Africa is a massive continent with consistent modern human occupation going back about 200,000 years, with even today different populations in the four corners of the place, whereas Europe has had modern humans for around 50,000 years and it's much more one lot of them and the populations got very small at times(ice ages and that). We're much narrower genetically.

Though interestingly our phenotype(how we look basically) is the most variable on the planet. In one extended family you could have grey/blue/brown/whatever eyes, straight hair, curly hair, brown, red, blonde, black hair. Whereas in other populations its pretty much all black hair, brown eyes. One hypothesis reckons it's because our populations did go so low that in order to avoid inbreeding we may have sought out unusual features in mates and they got added in over time.

Yes. Got a DNA test a while ago and it put me down as not 90% irish/welsh/scottish/british as expected but part asian! No family links there that I know of..Migt explain why a girl once asked if I was part Japanese once though?

bobbyy gee

Most irish are mutts
There's a mixture of english scottish norman viking etc in my family there's brown hair red hair black hair blue eyes brown eyes etc even blonds


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

ancapailldorcha

When I was younger, I'd definitely have said yes. Now though, I'm wondering if such a thing would be frowned upon and/or whether or not there'd be other issues. I find mixed race and especially Middle-Eastern women to be very, very attractive so otherwise, I'd be quite happy to give it a go.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Race is an outmoded concept. Populations would be far more accurate. They generally follow the old racial definitions, but it's far more accurate. EG If you say "African" which population? Africa has the highest human genetic diversity on the planet. Makes sense as that's where modern humans sprang up and spread from. You could have two "Black" Africans living 100 miles apart that have the same outward physical traits but are more genetically diverse than a Swede and a Greek.

One race- the human race. But a lot of ethnicities. I first heard this distinction 30 years ago- I can't understand how someone (the OP) is still using this out dated and clearly wrong description of the diversity aspects of the human race.

As for the question, yes I would.

However, I think things like religious differences and biases and rules would simply prevent most Irish males from the opportunity of dating someone like a woman from a strict muslim background- they just wouldn't encounter this person in normal social settings.

Poverty is the next factor. A lot of the world is poor compared to European/western countries. So again, the opportunity just doesn't present itself in a daily setting- or if it does, it's through the "Thai bride" or "Gambia Husband" route.

Cultural differences-- may also prevent opportunities - nothing to do with physical differences, more attitudinal differences, leading to less opportunity to meet in a social setting (like a bar) for instance.

Up to 40 years ago, the vast majority of Irish people could trace their ancestry back to this very island for many generations. Things a changing now and we're slowly becoming more culturally and ethnically diverse.

Children are growing up with friends whose origins are reaching far and wide, way beyond Cork and Donegal. In workplaces, diversity of ethnicity is also increasing- as people socialise after work, relationships inevitably develop.

I think in Ireland, while there are more opportunities to meet people from diverse backgrounds than ever before, it's still a lot less than you'd find in say, England, or France. Opportunity, and not attitude, is probably the biggest barrier for such relationships to develop.

IAMAMORON

Wibbs wrote: »

Funny enough I'm the opposite. I prefer the differences. Small ones anyway. In the sense of say me and an Italian. We'd be close enough so living there or here wouldn't be nearly the learning curve as me and I dunno a Fijian I also prefer a different shared experience that I can learn from. In some ways my idea of purgatory is someone having the same background to me, where there's bugger all to explore.

Foreign partners can be gorgeous. But they can also be difficult to please and I said only Irish people really really get Irishness.

For sure I will date an Italian, French, Swedish, Polish, Russian, Hungarian, Romanian or a German for a while. But they don't get it. An Irish partner does.

I dated a girl from Haiti when I was in the States. She was lovely and a total bear in the sack, but she never understood the drinking, albeit she had no problem smoking the bong. But we didn't mix seamlessly. We were not a great fit.

PCeeeee

440Hertz wrote: »

Did I just stumble into 1950s Alabama here ?!

Of course I’d go out with (we don’t “date” in Ireland ...) someone outside my own ethnic background and I have done and it posed far, far fewer cultural barriers than that time I went out with a redhead from Mayo tbh.

People are people and cultures and attitudes vary. If you don’t get on with someone, don’t go out with them. Their race is just a superficial thing. Who they are, whether they’re good craic, whether you click and whether you share common ways of seeing the world are nothing to do with ethnicity.

Personally, I’m not into people who are very hardcore religious, hold extreme political views and social conservatives for example, mostly because I can’t be dealing with dogmatic beliefs but that’s not about race.

Go out with whoever it is you click with! Have a laugh and enjoy life. It’s far too short to be droaning on about racial prejudices.

This. I was trying to respond but this

Tar.Aldarion

This is all a bit premature, wait until we have more data on this water under mars surface.

Well... I haven't dated a Caucasian woman in twenty... err.. twenty two years. I'm 43 now. Yup.

It wasn't intentional, but.. just kinda happened. Two African women, then a woman from Egypt (mixed Persian), two Indian women, and then, I swung entirely to SE Asians. Japanese, Mixed Jap/Chinese, Thai (mixed), S.Korean, and now mostly Chinese.

Dunno what the confusion is. Skin. Texture. Different color eyes. Different Cultural norms, and different turn ons/offs. It's fun, and endlessly fascinating. Interracial relationships aren't really any different from other relationships. A lot of communication is still the most important aspect, and it's necessary to check often whether you're doing anything that's pissing her off (and viceversa). Misunderstandings are guaranteed to happen. It's just the way things are...

I find that those who fail at interracial relationships stop talking to each other, moving along with different images in their minds as to what the relationship represents. It's laziness and ignorance. You can't take anything for granted.. but then, I suspect it's the same for an Irish lad with an Irish lady.

An Ri rua

Although hesitant at the start, I have found Westmeath and Laois girls quite a surprise. But I would in my hoop date Kildare girls.
So yes, Op, I would.

PsychoPete

To be honest I don't think I could ever live in a caravan, so no

MrStuffins

Don't know why you're all giving the OP's race-baiting bullish*t oxygen to be honest.

It's like asking "Would you date someone who's left-handed?" or "Would you date someone who is a different star sign to you?"

It makes absolutely no difference and would only matter to a f*cking moron!

Spook_ie

MrStuffins wrote: »

Don't know why you're all giving the OP's race-baiting bullish*t oxygen to be honest.

It's like asking "Would you date someone who's left-handed?" or "Would you date someone who is a different star sign to you?"

It makes absolutely no difference and would only matter to a f*cking moron!

Problem dating someone left handed is when you're driving and they offer a hand job, they have to turn in the seat so I do prefer right handed girls, having said that you could always park up I suppose

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I wouldn’t date an Asian or a black girl. I don’t find them attractive in the slightest. The same way I would never date an overweight girl.

It’s not racist.

iptba

In case it is of interest, there is a Wikipedia page:

Racial sexual preference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_sexual_preference

Another aspect of racial preferences is that that women of any race are significantly less likely to date inter-racially than a male of any race.

Welcome back, feggy. You've been busy today.

Pawwed Rig

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Define race?
Irish people, historically, would not be the same race as a German, Spaniard or Italian but as you have excluded these then it is unclear as to where your definition of race starts and ends. If you are using a very simplistic (US norm) definition of black or brown or Asian then this would also separate Spanish and 'white' people.

Why? The Spanish are Caucasian. The fact that in the South there go to the beach and get a tan has no impact on it. Up north theres plenty of 'white' people as you put it.

bobbyy gee

us dubs would not even date a country person

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Don't know why you're all giving the OP's race-baiting bullish*t oxygen to be honest.

It's like asking "Would you date someone who's left-handed?" or "Would you date someone who is a different star sign to you?"

It makes absolutely no difference and would only matter to a f*cking moron!

It's not the same. Comparing race to Star sign is ****ing moronic. One is a very distinct physical characteristic. The other is completely invisible and ignored

Widdensushi

Spook_ie wrote: »

Problem dating someone left handed is when you're driving and they offer a hand job, they have to turn in the seat so I do prefer right handed girls, having said that you could always park up I suppose

Or let them drive

bobbyy gee

the green party says you have to talk slow to country woman
but i am a fast talker

whisky_galore

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Foreign partners can be gorgeous. But they can also be difficult to please and I said only Irish people really really get Irishness.

For sure I will date an Italian, French, Swedish, Polish, Russian, Hungarian, Romanian or a German for a while. But they don't get it. An Irish partner does.

I dated a girl from Haiti when I was in the States. She was lovely and a total bear in the sack, but she never understood the drinking, albeit she had no problem smoking the bong. But we didn't mix seamlessly. We were not a great fit.

This.
I can't see, for example, typical Irish vs. strict no alcohol Muslim relationship getting very far.

For anything to work, people have to work at meeting each other half-way, the non Irish side have to have some grasp of Irishness and the Irish end understand some of their partner's culture, (and language, esp if they're living over there)
You can't live long term in China with a Chinese partner and be the eegit who can't be arsed to learn any Chinese, even from a purely practical pov.

Pawwed Rig

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Why? The Spanish are Caucasian. The fact that in the South there go to the beach and get a tan has no impact on it. Up north theres plenty of 'white' people as you put it.

I never said they weren't. Think you misinterpreted my post.

Wibbs

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

It's not the same. Comparing race to Star sign is ****ing moronic. One is a very distinct physical characteristic. The other is completely invisible and ignored

Never mind societal and cultural attitudes towards a mixed race relationship and if you have kids they will have a different viewpoint in life too because of how they may be regarded. It would be lovely if we all held hands as one "human race" but the realities are quite different.