The Pinter homebrew

Father Frisky

Has anyone got this yet or tried it. I've mine on order, had to use parcel motel. I hope to have it Monday and hopefully be supping pints by next weekend

Can't post link but website is thegreatergood.co.uk

Got a good write up in the times uk.

mordeith

Father Frisky wrote: »

Has anyone got this yet or tried it. I've mine on order, had to use parcel motel. I hope to have it Monday and hopefully be supping pints by next weekend

Can't post link but website is thegreatergood.co.uk

Got a good write up in the times uk.

Looks like a tidy system but 10 pints for €15 plus whatever the delivery would be?
I'm happy to wait longer for my 40 pints.

poitinstill

is this a revamped of the beer machine ?
also cashing in on the torpedo market.
still a big outlay for a system that isnt adaptable and you are tied to their refills at $13 for 10 pints? madness /gimmick.

loyatemu

looks very neat - presumably you could make your own wort if you want to and just use the Pinter for fermenting and serving. My concern would be how long the beer would stay fresh as each time you pull a pint you're allowing air into the vessel (it's basically a cask). It's a shame there's no way of attaching a CO2 bulb to turn it into a keg.

hkjohn

Anyone got one of these yet?

Was it worth getting?

Father Frisky

hkjohn wrote: »

Anyone got one of these yet?

Was it worth getting?

Just to follow up on this. I got it and was very happy with it. Have only used it twice tho, made their american IPA and a pilsner. The ipa was lovely and would definitely do again. The only catch is they don't deliver to ireland yet so was using parcel wizard which adds to the cost

hkjohn

Father Frisky wrote: »

Just to follow up on this. I got it and was very happy with it. Have only used it twice tho, made their american IPA and a pilsner. The ipa was lovely and would definitely do again. The only catch is they don't deliver to ireland yet so was using parcel wizard which adds to the cost

Cheers for the feedback.

sharingan

Its quite a lot to pay in terms of consumables, with your per-litre cost in excess of supermarket prices for equivalent product.

Not sure how it works with regard to air exposure - do you vent it to draw a glass, or is all the CO2 contained in the vessel to allow you to serve? You are going to get quite a bit of variation from froth to flat from pint 1 to pint last. I am thinking you could ferment in a cornelius keg with standard kit beers, and serve from them with a few small extra parts (floating dip tube, spunding valve, picnic tap).

Bogwoppit

I don’t really get what advantage this kit gives you over a regular kit and a fermenter?
Less work maybe, but not much I imagine. The finished product would have to be inferior with the pinter, the cost of the kits is extortionate too!

If you want to pretend you’re homebrewing then maybe yes, but if you’re wanting to home brew then just do regular kits.

Am I missing something?

hkjohn

Bogwoppit wrote: »

I don’t really get what advantage this kit gives you over a regular kit and a fermenter?
Less work maybe, but not much I imagine. The finished product would have to be inferior with the pinter, the cost of the kits is extortionate too!

If you want to pretend you’re homebrewing then maybe yes, but if you’re wanting to home brew then just do regular kits.

Am I missing something?

Why would anyone go to the bother of "pretending" they were home brewing?

Seems to be a simple to use and not prohibitively expensive system that has been getting pretty favorable write ups in the UK press.

Sure there are less costly units that deliver pints at lower prices out there but at the end of the day, you pays your money and you takes your chance

sharingan

hkjohn wrote: »

Why would anyone go to the bother of "pretending" they were home brewing?

Seems to be a simple to use and not prohibitively expensive system that has been getting pretty favorable write ups in the UK press.

The main unit seems fine in terms of price, its a bit shinier than a pressure barrel, and robust enough to ferment under pressure.

Sure there are less costly units that deliver pints at lower prices out there but at the end of the day, you pays your money and you takes your chance

There is a difference between more and less costly kit ingredients, and your kit ingredients being more expensive than commercially sold beers (for which vat/excise etc. is paid), people cry foul.

Normal kit beers will work out around 50c .. 70c per pint, and these extract kits are up around 1.50 per pint. It smells of razorblade economics/captive market ****e.

hkjohn

sharingan wrote: »

The main unit seems fine in terms of price, its a bit shinier than a pressure barrel, and robust enough to ferment under pressure.



There is a difference between more and less costly kit ingredients, and your kit ingredients being more expensive than commercially sold beers (for which vat/excise etc. is paid), people cry foul.

Normal kit beers will work out around 50c .. 70c per pint, and these extract kits are up around 1.50 per pint. It smells of razorblade economics/captive market ****e.

If you know of a pub where you can buy pints for E1.50, please PM me with the address...

sharingan

hkjohn wrote: »

If you know of a pub where you can buy pints for E1.50, please PM me with the address...

Straw man argument.

If you are doing anything DIY related, and the task is within your ability, you should expected to pay a lot less for it in general. There are plenty of exceptions to this, but home brewing isnt one of them - as there are a lot of costs and taxes that apply to the professional product.

You should be able to save serious money on the equivalent product in this hobby. If all you are doing is hydrating malt extract and adding yeast to it, its insane that the end result would be more expensive than a professionally canned/bottled product for which a lot of tax has been paid.

The fact that the pinter has a hand pump doesnt make the extract pack more expensive. It has some conveniences for the home brewer, but not so much as to make the extract worth spending 2x to 3x for. The fact that draught beer is 4/5/6e + doesnt make the pinter system more valuable at 'only' 1.50e a pint.

The point still stands, that the extract cost should not amount to more than you would pay for finished commercial product.

Clearly the keg here is being sold at a heavy loss, in order to build up a captive market for expensive extract kits.

For reference there are homebrewers out there, fermenting kit beer in pressure barrels and serving it off the barrel in the same way.

You are paying a hefty premium for a small convenience over other ways to achieve the same thing.

hkjohn

Ah the "straw man argument" justification! The default position of all those who make absurd claims they are unable to justify when questioned.

You then attempt to lecture me about DIY; a topic in which I have zero facility and even less interest in listening to the likes of you drone on.

At the end of the day, this thread was about the Pinter.

If I am happy to pay a premium for whatever convenience it offers then surely that is my business and has absolutely nothing to do with you.

BeerNut

Can we tone down the rhetoric, please?

hkjohn

Fine by me. All I am interested in is The Pinter I asked about in the OP

lalababa

I get 10L beer from 2-2.5 kg grain and 30-100g hops. So 15-30cent a pint.
I can get nice ipa s and wheat beers in supermarket for 1-2 euro.
So tis a bit on the expensive side.

Bogwoppit

I still fail to see what it offers.
As said before, homebrew should be cheap, 10-30c a pint.
If you want beer on draft at home without a lot of hassle then buy some mini kegs, there’s plenty on the market.
€1.50 a pint? There’s lots of good beers available in shops at that price.

maniac2003

Anything else like this on the market? Do the mini kegs not work out around 2 euro a pint?

FileNotFound

Can these still be got via an post version of parcel motel etc?

Or has brexit flecked it.

Good few lads I know using them now in the UK and are well happy with them. Sure a big novelty but works well.

Just wondering if anyone here is actively using them.

hkjohn

I bought one and got it delivered via AnPost.

Very, very happy with it I am, too. Minimal hassle and excellent
results - even my missus likes the IPA.

Only complaint is those 10 pints are gone in a couple of nights

While am sure you can get cheaper home brewing kits, I am a
complete numpty and couldn't be dealing with the mess. The
Pinter is very clean and needs only minimum attention.

Would strongly recommend it if you want decent booze without
having to turn your house into a chemical weapons lab

Bogwoppit

Bogwoppit wrote: »

I still fail to see what it offers.
As said before, homebrew should be cheap, 10-30c a pint.
If you want beer on draft at home without a lot of hassle then buy some mini kegs, there’s plenty on the market.
€1.50 a pint? There’s lots of good beers available in shops at that price.

10c a pint? No chance

boetstark

hkjohn wrote: »

I bought one and got it delivered via AnPost.

Very, very happy with it I am, too. Minimal hassle and excellent
results - even my missus likes the IPA.

Only complaint is those 10 pints are gone in a couple of nights

While am sure you can get cheaper home brewing kits, I am a
complete numpty and couldn't be dealing with the mess. The
Pinter is very clean and needs only minimum attention.

Would strongly recommend it if you want decent booze without
having to turn your house into a chemical weapons lab

Got the pinter last month viaan post / address pal.
Disappointed with it to be honest. Tried both lagers.
Very cloudy despite conditioning for 10 days. Lots of sediment and a noticeable lemon aftertaste.
Can anybody suggest what I am doing wrong.

BeerNut

boetstark wrote: »

Tried both lagers.
Very cloudy despite conditioning for 10 days. Lots of sediment and a noticeable lemon aftertaste.
Can anybody suggest what I am doing wrong.

You need to adjust your expectations if you're hoping for something that resembles commercial pale lagers. That's impossible to brew at home without some serious specialty equipment and a lot more time than ten days. You're stuck making ales with this, and when they write "lager" on the packaging they're lying to you.

shtpEdthePlum

Tbf you have to leave homebrewed beer mature for a lot longer than two weeks. I would say three months is the absolute minimum.

Garibaldi?

What is the alcohol content of this product? Seems very quick to make!

Bogwoppit

winstonia83 wrote: »

10c a pint? No chance

Absolutely yes you can.

Bogwoppit

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Tbf you have to leave homebrewed beer mature for a lot longer than two weeks. I would say three months is the absolute minimum.

I regularly have beer ready in 2 weeks using corny kegs. Not that difficult really.

FileNotFound

boetstark wrote: »

Got the pinter last month viaan post / address pal.
Disappointed with it to be honest. Tried both lagers.
Very cloudy despite conditioning for 10 days. Lots of sediment and a noticeable lemon aftertaste.
Can anybody suggest what I am doing wrong.

They have a Facebook page with lots of tips apparently.

Did you get any Vat charges when addresspal delivered?

boetstark

FileNotFound wrote: »

They have a Facebook page with lots of tips apparently.

Did you get any Vat charges when addresspal delivered?

Yeah had a 15 euro charge from customs

FileNotFound

boetstark wrote: »

Yeah had a 15 euro charge from customs

That's not too bad. Can live with that.
Think I'll get one ordered so.

Might be a bit of a gimmick but something to do.

Bogwoppit

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Absolutely yes you can.

Example needed

Bogwoppit

winstonia83 wrote: »

Example needed

Buy malt in bulk or through a group buy, 4-4.5kg of Maris otter, 50 grams of home grown hops, get 21/22 litres post boil. Put it onto the trub of a previous brew and it will be very close to 10c for a pint.
Won’t be very strong or complex but will certainly be drinkable, a nice simple session ale.

shtpEdthePlum

Bogwoppit wrote: »

I regularly have beer ready in 2 weeks using corny kegs. Not that difficult really.

That's a cool product, never knew about it. I'm still brewing the old fashioned way. How does it handle the carbonation without exploding?

I don't want to spend money on new equipment this season, but it's definitely on my radar now. Is the finished product after two weeks as good as other longer fermentation homebrew you've had?

Bogwoppit

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

That's a cool product, never knew about it. I'm still brewing the old fashioned way. How does it handle the carbonation without exploding?

I don't want to spend money on new equipment this season, but it's definitely on my radar now. Is the finished product after two weeks as good as other longer fermentation homebrew you've had?

I ferment imagine a normal fermenter with S04 yeast, it’s fast and clean, it will ferment out in about 7-9 days, cold crash for a couple of days then into the keg to carbonate for 2-3 days before it’s ready to serve. If you use a pressure fermenter you can take 2-3 days off that too.
Carbonation using bottled co2 is a lot quicker than bottle conditioning.

sharingan

winstonia83 wrote: »

10c a pint? No chance

Buy buying everything from frugal sources (club yeast buy, malt direct, low amounts of hops) and avoiding postage costs:
25Kg malt ~22e
100g hopa ~5e
yeast ~10e

I use half the sack of malt to make 55L beer, so 26e so about 24c per 500ml.

If I pitch onto a yeast cake, and I am not fussy about hops (use the freebies) : 10c per 500ml.

Its rare that I would try for cheapness (the effort is a lot, might as well throw in some nice fresh hops etc.) but if I want to, there are a lot of classic beer styles that you can make for not much money.

I definitely have made good beer (reusing yeast, hop bulk buys) close to 10-15c per 500ml dispense.

sharingan

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Tbf you have to leave homebrewed beer mature for a lot longer than two weeks. I would say three months is the absolute minimum.

The professionals go from grain to glass in under 2 weeks. I know many homebrewers who can do this turnaround in a week, and make good beer in that time frame. Certain styles and yeasts of course.

Garibaldi?

Garibaldi? wrote: »

What is the alcohol content of this product? Seems very quick to make!

The American Pale Ale is 4.5%. IPA is 4.2%.

I bought a Pinter for my husband and he loves it. Hasn’t used it in a couple of months though as I got peed off with the amount of space it’s taken up in the fridge. Saving for an American style fridge then he can put the old one in his garage. Need to restock and also buy the extra cask so can have one brewing and one drinking.

Luckily I live beside the border so get free delivery to Northern Ireland and no vat and customs to pay. Ssshhhh

loyatemu

Bogwoppit wrote: »

I ferment imagine a normal fermenter with S04 yeast, it’s fast and clean, it will ferment out in about 7-9 days, cold crash for a couple of days then into the keg to carbonate for 2-3 days before it’s ready to serve. If you use a pressure fermenter you can take 2-3 days off that too.
Carbonation using bottled co2 is a lot quicker than bottle conditioning.

Even bottle conditioning you can turn out a decent beer in a 3 weeks; 10 days in the fermenter, 10 days in the bottle (quicker again if you're using Kveik yeast). Darker beers do benefit from longer in the bottle.

sharingan

loyatemu wrote: »

Even bottle conditioning you can turn out a decent beer in a 3 weeks; 10 days in the fermenter, 10 days in the bottle (quicker again if you're using Kveik yeast). Darker beers do benefit from longer in the bottle.

You can't do *every* beer style this quick - but I dont think anyone in this thread has suggested that - but there are a wide range of styles where you can go grain to glass in 1-3 weeks.

I have gotten bottle conditioned beers into competitions in 14 days, pitch to judging. Didn't place, but it got close, and it was a porter.

sharingan

sharingan wrote: »

close to 10-15c per 500ml dispense.

10c per 500ml = 11.40c per pint
15c per 500ml = 17.00c per pint

Getting "close to" those figures implies that it'll end up costing even more more.

I'm not saying it ain't cheap, but he was right to query the "10c per pint" claim when nobody has been able to back that claim up so far.

FileNotFound

Going to order my Pinter and Co Pinter at the end of the month.

The 2 units and 2 mixes does come to 130 GBP so not too cheap - then it will be a case of using addresspal and prob another 30 euro vat/import.

Its a pretty expensive little job but the do look good and are pretty clean and tidy. Guess if i use it enough it will work out a bit cheaper.


Definitely more a fun toy than value homebrew job. They have a facebook page that gives loads of tips for getting more out of the unit - adding extras etc. So will keep me going for a while.

Bogwoppit

[Deleted User] wrote: »

10c per 500ml = 11.40c per pint
15c per 500ml = 17.00c per pint

Getting "close to" those figures implies that it'll end up costing even more more.

I'm not saying it ain't cheap, but he was right to query the "10c per pint" claim when nobody has been able to back that claim up so far.

Seriously?

It absolutely has been shown it can be done.

If you wish to you could make it for even less.

It most certainly has not been shown. The lowest we've gotten to is between 10c and 15c per 500ml. That is between 14% and 70% more expensive than the claim which was made and ridiculed.

Bogwoppit

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It most certainly has not been shown. The lowest we've gotten to is between 10c and 15c per 500ml. That is between 14% and 70% more expensive than the claim which was made and ridiculed.

If you don’t understand how myself and others have explained it then I’d be happy to elaborate.

Actually, before I do, can you just let us know if you have any experience with home brew or not?

Bogwoppit

Bogwoppit wrote: »

If you don’t understand how myself and others have explained it then I’d be happy to elaborate.

Actually, before I do, can you just let us know if you have any experience with home brew or not?

Kits only, I've no experience with the full grain method. I'd be delighted to hear that elaboration, please.

Bogwoppit

Deleted User wrote: »

Kits only, I've no experience with the full grain method. I'd be delighted to hear that elaboration, please.

I’ll forgive you for not understanding the concept but please show me where my claims are ridiculed?

If you’re only using kits then you’re probably only at this a wet week so less of the arrogance would be appreciated (there’s nothing wrong with kits btw).

Since you’ve proven to be so good at maths already then surely you should understand that the cost of a pint will be based on a price per unit volume, from there it’s a simple dilution factor to get your cost below your target.

As I’ve said before, I’ve made beer for very close to 10c/litre, I have no desire to make it cheaper but I (and any homebrewer) absolutely have the ability. Yes, as stated before, the beer will not be very strong or be bursting with flavour, but it will still likely hold its own against a mass market lager.

BeerNut

Seriously lads, tone down the snark. Ye're sucking the fun out of what should be an enjoyable hobby.

BeerNut

BeerNut wrote: »

Seriously lads, tone down the snark. Ye're sucking the fun out of what should be an enjoyable hobby.

I honestly don't see how what I've posted already could be seen as snarky in any way possible, but I know where you're coming from. I will be bowing out of this thread after this post anyway, so don't worry.

Bogwoppit wrote: »

I’ll forgive you for not understanding the concept but please show me where my claims are ridiculed?

I understand the concept pretty well, believe it or not. What I don't understand is you making a claim, being challenged, then refusing to provide anything to back that claim up and telling others you'll elaborate on your figures, but then refusing to do so. You are now getting all condescending towards me when I flagged that you haven't backed it up.........case in point:

If you’re only using kits then you’re probably only at this a wet week so less of the arrogance would be appreciated (there’s nothing wrong with kits btw).

Childish, puerile nonsense. "not that there's anything wrong with that" is the hallmark of someone who thinks that, yes, there is in fact something wrong with that, in their eyes. Like a priest talking about gay people or something.

Since you’ve proven to be so good at maths already then surely you should understand that the cost of a pint will be based on a price per unit volume, from there it’s a simple dilution factor to get your cost below your target.

Since YOU'RE so good at maths, please tell me how "close to 15c per 500nl dispensed" equates to 10c per pint?

As I’ve said before, I’ve made beer for very close to 10c/litre, I have no desire to make it cheaper but I (and any homebrewer) absolutely have the ability. Yes, as stated before, the beer will not be very strong or be bursting with flavour, but it will still likely hold its own against a mass market lager.

Not once in this thread has anybody mentioned 10c/Litre until now. Nobody has even shown how it can be produced for 10c per pint yet. Despite your protestations and your promises to elaborate, you are included in this group. It may well be possible, of that I'm certain. My point was that nobody has demonstrated it so far.

Bogwoppit

Deleted User wrote: »

I honestly don't see how what I've posted already could be seen as snarky in any way possible, but I know where you're coming from. I will be bowing out of this thread after this post anyway, so don't worry.



I understand the concept pretty well, believe it or not. What I don't understand is you making a claim, being challenged, then refusing to provide anything to back that claim up and telling others you'll elaborate on your figures, but then refusing to do so. You are now getting all condescending towards me when I flagged that you haven't backed it up.........case in point:



Childish, puerile nonsense. "not that there's anything wrong with that" is the hallmark of someone who thinks that, yes, there is in fact something wrong with that, in their eyes. Like a priest talking about gay people or something.



Since YOU'RE so good at maths, please tell me how "close to 15c per 500nl dispensed" equates to 10c per pint?



Not once in this thread has anybody mentioned 10c/Litre until now. Nobody has even shown how it can be produced for 10c per pint yet. Despite your protestations and your promises to elaborate, you are included in this group. It may well be possible, of that I'm certain. My point was that nobody has demonstrated it so far.

Ok, at the risk of annoying everybody (apologies beernut) I will reply once more.

Let’s try reduce the confrontation a little.

How it can be done has been posted more than once, unfortunately I don’t think you’re understanding the process. To reduce the cost it’s simply a case of dilution factor, fix the cost for input (I’ve already posted how it’s possible to get an ingredients list for €5), increase the post boil volume to 29 litres (I’ve done the maths this time), will allow for some wastage, voila, pints for under 10c. This is what I was referring to with dilution factor.
Adjusting profiles in this way is common practice for all grain so I made an assumption early on that others could figure out how it’s done from the original recipe I posted.

The 10c/litre was a typo, meant to type pint, apologies for the confusion.

I don’t engage in childish puerile nonsense as you say, if that’s how you took my comments then that is an issue for you, not me. I regularly do kit brews alongside all grain as they have their advantages with ease of use and short brew days when time is tight.

sharingan

Seeing as my figures were quoted:

Bu(l)y buying everything from frugal sources (club yeast buy, malt direct, low amounts of hops) and avoiding postage costs:
25Kg malt ~22e
100g hopa ~5e
yeast ~10e

I use half the sack of malt to make 55L beer, so 26e so about 24c per 500ml.

If I pitch onto a yeast cake, and I am not fussy about hops (use the freebies) : 10c per 500ml.

...

I definitely have made good beer (reusing yeast, hop bulk buys) close to 10-15c per 500ml dispense.

the 10c - 15c figure is based on the fact that I assumed the reader could work a calculator to do price per pint. The key figures are 11euro +5 euro makes you 55L of ~ 4.5-5% beer.

It is based on using cheap hops, < 2g/L. And that you are circumventing courier costs with club group buys etc.

If you go super cheap, and dilute further (halve the hops, scale back the malt to 10Kg)

Malt = 8.8 euro.
Hops = 2.5 euro

You are going to end up with ~4% beer. Pitch onto a yeast cake/yeast slurry. So you have 55L of beer for 11.3 euro now.

11.3 / 55000 * 568 = 0.116 c per **pint**

You just need to drop 1.5e off your total ingredients cost to get down to 10c per pint. You will have a light blonde ale at ~3.3 - 3.7%. Well made, still drinkable, and it can be stronger with the right skills, so you may not need to be so ruthless with ingredients.

But this is an exercise in trying to reach a ludicrously low price point. If taken seriously this is penny-wise pound foolish. That extra 1.50 makes a big difference to the entire batch of the final product.

I dont factor in one off costs or non-direct costs in the making here obviously. It might be worth factoring in crown caps or co2 costs aswell if you go down that route of bottling or kegging. But I would not add in the costs fo the kegs themselves, or the boiler.

The point here, is that for a wide variety of home brewed beer from raw ingredients, you can make it quite cheaply. Some indulgent styles have very high (comparitively ) ingredient costs, some have long process times (e.g. extended lagering will require refrigeration).