Demon's Souls - PS5

All_in_Flynn

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Incredible game thus far. Haven't been able to put a huge amount of time into it but just cleared boss in 2-1 handy enough. Only boss so far of the 3 I haven't beaten first time round is 1-2

Giant Knight. Couldn't time his attacks.

Shouldn't have opened my mouth

Poxy Flamelurker

Actually the whole 2-2 world is challenging. Got lost in them mines and felt like Hoggle in Labyrinth. Was half expecting Bowie to show up behind one of those fat BearBugs

SomeSayKos

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Actually the whole 2-2 world is challenging. Got lost in them mines and felt like Hoggle in Labyrinth. Was half expecting Bowie to show up behind one of those fat BearBugs

It's a bit of a pain, especially because of

those annoying bugbears

. Those little glowy stones you can throw down on the ground to mark your progress are really handy in that area, I think they're called augites

Markitron

Finally got back to this last night and made some progress. Haven't beaten any bosses other than Phalanx, but opened up some shortcuts in other levels. Have a +4 Claymore now as well which is great, anyone know how I should go about upgrading it? Do I just keep going to +10?

Is it possible to make it scale with magic AND strength? I'm mostly strength but I have soul arrow equipped too and its great fun.

F1ngers

Markitron wrote: »

Finally got back to this last night and made some progress. Haven't beaten any bosses other than Phalanx, but opened up some shortcuts in other levels. Have a +4 Claymore now as well which is great, anyone know how I should go about upgrading it? Do I just keep going to +10?

Is it possible to make it scale with magic AND strength? I'm mostly strength but I have soul arrow equipped too and its great fun.

You can upgrade it with moonlightstone or faithstone to add magic.

Markitron

F1ngers wrote: »

You can upgrade it with moonlightstone or faithstone to add magic.

Will that have any negative impact on just using it for standard attacks?

Retr0gamer

Markitron wrote: »

Will that have any negative impact on just using it for standard attacks?

You are basically changing how it will scale with your stats. So in this case you are making it scale with less with str/dex but having it scale with int as well rather than just str/dex. So it's better if you are going for a melee build with support magic.

F1ngers

Markitron wrote: »

Will that have any negative impact on just using it for standard attacks?

Physical attack won't max out as you are changing weapon to include a magic attack.
Max physical attack is 210, adding magic maxes physical at about 160 but then adds magic up to 176/149 depending on stones used.

F1ngers

Had a little giggle in Valley of Defilement.
Got to the Filthy Woman and started to talk to her:

"Won’t you buy something? My poor child is hungry."

Didn't realize I was poisoned and died:
"Curses! I wasted my breath on you! Did that witch send you to torment me?!"

I know it's an auto response if you don't buy anything, still got a giggle out of me.

Mr.Fantastic

Hit a wall with the

maneater boss , nearly killed the first one and the one rekt me

Playing a standard melee character will get it but reckon it will be due to luck more than anything.

Markitron

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You are basically changing how it will scale with your stats. So in this case you are making it scale with less with str/dex but having it scale with int as well rather than just str/dex. So it's better if you are going for a melee build with support magic.

F1ngers wrote: »

Physical attack won't max out as you are changing weapon to include a magic attack.
Max physical attack is 210, adding magic maxes physical at about 160 but then adds magic up to 176/149 depending on stones used.

Ok thanks, think I get it. Maybe its just me but it seems DeS requires more pre-planning than the other games, I don't want to **** up my build. Gonna keep levelling str/end/vit and upgrading the standard claymore. When I get the upgrade materials to convert it into a magic sword, I'll start putting points into magic and intelligence.

Normally I stick with straight strength builds but I was shocked at how much damage soul arrow did with a starter knight and no points put into magic

Retr0gamer

You can't really mess up a build, everything is viable. But in all the games there are dump stats (usually the ones that grant status effect protection) and min maxing a build is advisable, it's not a game you should be putting points into everything.

They are a little poorly explained but the community is excellent and the wikis explain how things work. Although that was kind of the charm of the original game and getting it from Hong Kong. People helping each other to figure it out.

Dave0301

Trying to get a gold coin to drop...just do it already :mad:

edit: Posting on Boards.ie in frustration has done the trick!

biggebruv

Had to throw in the towel I dunno how but bloodborne I platinumed LOL

ZiabR

biggebruv wrote: »

Had to throw in the towel I dunno how but bloodborne I platinumed LOL

How far did you get? I was the same with DS 2 and 3. I finished them both in the end but some of the fights had me fuming.

heebusjeebus

I'm remembering now that a lot more planning is required in Demon's Souls to make your life easier.
I did a quick suicide run through 4-1 to get the crescent falchion sword as my Falchion +4 was completely ineffective against the miners in 2-1.

Zero-Cool

heebusjeebus wrote: »

I'm remembering now that a lot more planning is required in Demon's Souls to make your life easier.
I did a quick suicide run through 4-1 to get the crescent falchion sword as my Falchion +4 was completely ineffective against the miners in 2-1.

I forgot about that in my ps3 run, think that will be my next stop.

trellheim

Played this for a month on the ps3 before any of dark souls ever came out , tried so hard to get interested in it, could not get used to the mechanic of dying all the time or having to know things like world tendency . Finish a boss after a huge fight ? Next level you'll be oneshotted by something else...sigh.

put it down after that and have never played any of the souls games afterwards as it all looked like the same boring grind ( and yes, there is that git gud bs about it but you know what all I wanted to do was come home after work and play for 30 mins ).


Gimme RE4 or something like it

Dave0301

trellheim wrote: »

Played this for a month on the ps3 before any of dark souls ever came out , tried so hard to get interested in it, could not get used to the mechanic of dying all the time or having to know things like world tendency . Finish a boss after a huge fight ? Next level you'll be oneshotted by something else...sigh.

put it down after that and have never played any of the souls games afterwards as it all looked like the same boring grind

I think that is what makes the games great :pac:

If you try to rush or take an enemy lightly, you will get punished.

Markitron

I am making slow progress as I am trying to set myself up before advancing too far in the game. Think I am all sorted now. Levelled up mostly endurance and a little strength, with the strength ring that I got in 1-1 I can now wear full armor with a claymore and I'm still able to fast roll.

With the Claymore and soul arrow I feel like I'm getting a great mix of magic and melee. Once my claymore is +6 I will go for the magic version of it. Gonna alternate between magic/str/vit from now on. Still have only killed Phalanx so have the whole game ahead of me.

petes

I'm rocking a +8 Uchigatana, put a fair few hours in. That's usually me being useless and persevering.

Stuck at bosses 1-4 and 3-2, I say stuck but I've only had a go at them once before buggering off and finishing the other worlds.

Markitron

Only got an hour of this in last night but managed to kill armour spider and tower knight. Was in human form after killing tower knight so decided to summon someone for the spider. Was loads of fun.

johnny_ultimate

I was very pleased to have managed to make it through a half dozen bosses without dying at any of them, until I got to Dragon God in 2-3 and kept getting punched to death while trying to break the obstacles. Got there eventually by just being slow and using ranged attacks to clear the path. Cursed gimmick bosses - technically the easiest boss of all of them so far too :pac:

Markitron

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I was very pleased to have managed to make it through a half dozen bosses without dying at any of them, until I got to Dragon God in 2-3 and kept getting punched to death while trying to break the obstacles. Got there eventually by just being slow and using ranged attacks to clear the path. Cursed gimmick bosses - technically the easiest boss of all of them so far too :pac:

Do I need to use a slashing weapon in 2-2 like I did in 2-1? Miners were a pain with the claymore

sticker

I'm just one boss down but farming a lot on long sword+4 strength build. I'm level 28

Question... what stats should i invest in as I'm aware the cost per stat addition increases soul cost and it's important not to spec poorly early.. I've just pciked up the Crescent Falchion+1 - Should I drop levelling up my long Sword and focus on this - seems a lot of magic damage attached!

johnny_ultimate

Markitron wrote: »

Do I need to use a slashing weapon in 2-2 like I did in 2-1? Miners were a pain with the claymore

There are miners, so you’ll need something to take them out easily. But you’ll also want something strong against armoured foes for other parts of the level.

Retr0gamer

Basically decide what build you want. If you want a big sword then focus on Str. If you want a falchion of smaller sword then dex is the way to go. You can see in the menu how they scale with the stat (S to E). Want to go magic, then invest in int as well. You can also change how your weapon scales with stats by forging it into a different type of weapon so probably best to forge it into something that scales best with your build later.

There is a limit to how weapons scale with each stat. After a certain point the increase won't be as much. So if you want a melee/magic build it might be worth converting the weapon into one that scales better with magic.

So say you have a sword that scales A for dex and C for str. After a certain point investing in dex won't increase damage by very much so you might be better off investing in STR then.

It's all a bit complex but the wiki explains it better.

To be honest this is all more high level stuff and there's no real way to screw yourself over.

sticker

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Basically decide what build you want. If you want a big sword then focus on Str. If you want a falchion of smaller sword then dex is the way to go. You can see in the menu how they scale with the stat (S to E). Want to go magic, then invest in int as well. You can also change how your weapon scales with stats by forging it into a different type of weapon so probably best to forge it into something that scales best with your build later.

There is a limit to how weapons scale with each stat. After a certain point the increase won't be as much. So if you want a melee/magic build it might be worth converting the weapon into one that scales better with magic.

So say you have a sword that scales A for dex and C for str. After a certain point investing in dex won't increase damage by very much so you might be better off investing in STR then.

It's all a bit complex but the wiki explains it better.

To be honest this is all more high level stuff and there's no real way to screw yourself over.

Cheets Mate - Much appreciated - To be fair thats a spot on description of what I need to do and be aware of going forward!

I'm just farming non stop now, leveling up as I go and saving new areas. Loving every minute!

FromSoft have been handed a higher bar for Elden Ring! Would love to know if there was a wave of panic sweep through their work done to date after this DS version was let loose!

Retr0gamer

sticker wrote: »

Cheets Mate - Much appreciated - To be fair thats a spot on description of what I need to do and be aware of going forward!

I'm just farming non stop now, leveling up as I go and saving new areas. Loving every minute!

FromSoft have been handed a higher bar for Elden Ring! Would love to know if there was a wave of panic sweep through their work done to date after this DS version was let loose!

Very much doubt it. All Bluepoint did was give the original a lick of paint and the original was so good that nearly 15 years on it's still one of the greatest games ever made.

From only went on to improve on the Demon's formula and surpassed it with the likes of Dark souls, Bloodborne and Sekiro. You could make a strong argument they are far and away the best game developers current making games. If anything it's their later work they will have to try and live up to with Elden ring. But time and again they have met or exceeded it (except Dark Souls 2 but they made up for that with the awesome DLC).

Markitron

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Very much doubt it. All Bluepoint did was give the original a lick of paint and the original was so good that nearly 15 years on it's still one of the greatest games ever made.

From only went on to improve on the Demon's formula and surpassed it with the likes of Dark souls, Bloodborne and Sekiro. You could make a strong argument they are far and away the best game developers current making games. If anything it's their later work they will have to try and live up to with Elden ring. But time and again they have met or exceeded it (except Dark Souls 2 but they made up for that with the awesome DLC).

Does DeS have a drop off at any point? I only played DS when the remaster released in 2018 but I couldn't believe how the quality nosedived in the final 30-40% of the game. I genuinely think it would have been a better game overall if it ended after O+S.

billybonkers

How does one summon help?

Also, any tips on a good sword and upgrading it?

I am about 12 hours in but still doing very little damage with melee attacks!! Any pointers please

Markitron

billybonkers wrote: »

How does one summon help?

Also, any tips on a good sword and upgrading it?

I am about 12 hours in but still doing very little damage with melee attacks!! Any pointers please

You have to be in human form to summon help. When in human form you will see green signs on the ground (usually outside boss fog doors). Just press X on these.

Retr0gamer

Markitron wrote: »

Does DeS have a drop off at any point? I only played DS when the remaster released in 2018 but I couldn't believe how the quality nosedived in the final 30-40% of the game. I genuinely think it would have been a better game overall if it ended after O+S.

The gimmick boss fights I'm not a big fan of. And the valley of defilement is a pain in the ass with terrible rewards in terms of the amount of souls you get but it does have the best narrative pay off with the last boss of the area.

The last area people tackle is usually 1-3 which is a real high point for me and the 1-4 boss is pretty great.

It's pretty consistent and probably helped by the structure of the game. Only really lost izalith disappointed me in dark souls.

F1ngers

Markitron wrote: »

You have to be in human form to summon help. When in human form you will see green signs on the ground (usually outside boss fog doors). Just press X on these.

billybonkers wrote: »

How does one summon help?

Also, any tips on a good sword and upgrading it?

I am about 12 hours in but still doing very little damage with melee attacks!! Any pointers please

You can also help by putting down your bluestone outside boss doors, while in soul form.

SomeSayKos

Defeated the

man eaters

last night. Easily the most annoying part of the game so far but in fairness it only took me around 3 attempts. My 2nd attempt was heartbreaking as I accidentally rolled off a ledge with the boss only needing one more hit. Great world though- strong bloodborne vibes.

Zero-Cool

Only beat 1-1 so far (bouncing between multiple games) had 1 crack at bosses in 2-1 and 3-1 and ready to settle on a build. I'm using night with build focusing on Str, End and Vit. I'm using crescent falchion +1 and just unlocked the soul arrow. Anyone know if i pump points into magic, does out increase the damage i do with soul arrow as well as magic damage done with the falchion? If so, i think I'll continue strength/magic build upgrading that sword, eventually getting a great shield and using soul arrow for ranged attacks.

johnny_ultimate

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Only beat 1-1 so far (bouncing between multiple games) had 1 crack at bosses in 2-1 and 3-1 and ready to settle on a build. I'm using night with build focusing on Str, End and Vit. I'm using crescent falchion +1 and just unlocked the soul arrow. Anyone know if i pump points into magic, does out increase the damage i do with soul arrow as well as magic damage done with the falchion? If so, i think I'll continue strength/magic build upgrading that sword, eventually getting a great shield and using soul arrow for ranged attacks.

Yep, I wouldn’t use that weapon if you’re not pumping souls into magic That’s my build and it’s going very well so far.

Zero-Cool

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Yep, I wouldn’t use that weapon if you’re not pumping souls into magic That’s my build and it’s going very well so far.

Awesome, didn't realise magic would boost the effect from weapons as well, will definitely keep putting that up so.

I remember the tower of latria on ps3 and thought I'd have to quit the game completely as i found it so hard to progress. Waltzed through it this time. I say waltzed, some hairy moments but this playthrough is going a lot better than ps3.

petes

Finished my first run through this evening. Really enjoyed it. I did summon help for two bosses but now I'm thinking I didn't need to as I think I beat the two harder bosses solo, first world and latria.

Will try them solo in my+

Might save that game and start a new one with a different class.

sticker

Absolutely cracking walkthrough channel here with a very good narration - Insane he has just under sub 500 subs for the quality of content... Shout out to him!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkuTtXkYMNhARZ60Qn-mCsQ

Dave0301

Just having a go at NG+ and there is a big step up in difficulty I feel.

Or at least a bigger jump than some of the other games in the series.

johnny_ultimate

Ah, 4-2 - turns out that’s the level I remember best, mainly from doing quick farming runs I’d imagine Still a pain getting past some of those reapers. Accidentally triggered black world tendency as well, which puts more bloody difficult enemies along the final cliff

Thankfully got it back to neutral and then pushed through fairly easily, after taking advantage of the extra souls up for grabs in black WT. 4-3 boss is a wild one - awkward and gimmicky, but by god is the rain-soaked spectacle of it impressive in the remake.

Vicxas

So I'm kinda stuck. Some how my tendency is black on 4-1 and I'm kinda stuck as it's difficult to get passed the red phantom skeleton.

Any advice?

johnny_ultimate

Vicxas wrote: »

So I'm kinda stuck. Some how my tendency is black on 4-1 and I'm kinda stuck as it's difficult to get passed the red phantom skeleton.

Any advice?

I’m not an expert on world tendency, but the ways to return it to neutral / white are to kill bosses, kill primeval demons (and unfortunately the 4-x one is in 4-2) or banish invaders. The latter is your best bet if you can’t get to the boss, but the problem is dying in human form will push your world more into black tendency.

The other options are to summon someone to help you, or come back to 4-1 later on when you have a higher level.

Retr0gamer

Or help people complete the level as well.

johnny_ultimate

3-2 and 1-3 are just stunning examples of From level design at its best. The story that unfolds as you progress through them; the way everything eventually loops back; the remake’s revamped visuals at their best. Some of the best levels in their whole oeuvre.

Dave0301

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

3-2 and 1-3 are just stunning examples of From level design at its best. The story that unfolds as you progress through them; the way everything eventually loops back; the remake’s revamped visuals at their best. Some of the best levels in their whole oeuvre.

3-2 is amazing...the boss at the end of the level is less so :pac:

johnny_ultimate

Dave0301 wrote: »

3-2 is amazing...the boss at the end of the level is less so :pac:

A tad annoying, but particularly so for the red phantom caster you have to get through on the stairs beforehand!

Markitron

Latria is better than Anor Londo and Yharnam, it’s amazing.

Zero-Cool

Ha skeletons are basically my bitches now. It's incredible seeing the bosses in all their next gen glory.

Also, shout out to whoever posted about closing the game if you die at a boss and when it reopens, you'll be at the fog gate. I know it goes against souls etiquette but huge time saver for me.

Markitron

Beat flamelurker on my first try which was a pleasant surprise, I think I was pretty well specced for the fight though. Was using a +5 flame shield and a +4 Moon Claymore, he took massive damage when I hit him and I didn't take much when I blocked him.

Immediately moved into the next area and was surprised when

it was another boss fight straight away. Surprise turned to disappointment when I realised this was essentially another bed of chaos scenario. Would have been so cool to fight that thing in a standard fight. Are all the arch demon fights like this? Do any of them have proper levels before hand or do you jump straight in after the 2nd boss like in stonefang?

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ha skeletons are basically my bitches now. It's incredible seeing the bosses in all their next gen glory.

Also, shout out to whoever posted about closing the game if you die at a boss and when it reopens, you'll be at the fog gate. I know it goes against souls etiquette but huge time saver for me.

Tbh I have done this a couple of times too, some of the journeys back to the boss gates are brutal. There was no ****ing wait I was going through the ENTIRE Shrine of Storms again to get the the Adjudicator.