Beef price tracker 2

Bass Reeves

2-3 things f@@king us at present. Grass growth is poor and with the new fertlizer regulations along with records the ability to spread it to boost grass growth is limited.

I was surprised at a discussion group the amount of lad caught with no soil tests. As well soil tests taken in April may be effected by slurry spread which could limit P&K.

F@@king cows, they are flowing in at present from finishers and from dairy farmers. However U30 month cattle are scarce especially coloured ones. Have a few bullocks going at 5/kg but they were enquiring about coloured cattle.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122349093#Comment_122349093

is it ever any different any year. If it’s not that, it’s something else - the weather, the price of turnips in Iraq………..

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122349093#Comment_122349093

poor growth definitely. Not too sure about fertilizer as beef farmers should surely be able to spread away at nitrogen so early in the year.
The pull should be no suppose, factories will want beef back at 4.50 for September. A 5 cent pull every week will see to that.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122349460#Comment_122349460

I doubt if its at 4.t base in September it has not been there for the last 2-3 years.....Mid October maybe that is where its been the last few years.

Beef farmer normally do not spread straight N and they seldom spread straight urea protected or not. It's funny but with the stock I have I am committed to September and after Christmas but it's going to be a funny end of year IMO.

Over the last 2-3 years the processors have got numbers from lads following the Teagasc gospel and finishing at 17-20 months.

Will these come on stream this year with the poor spring, Jack Kennedy I'm the rag it seems alluded to the fact that these are coming under pressure with the 220 derogation limit but N will be an issue for these as well.

Cows had a big impact last Autumn, processors slowed the slaughter of them ( underfleshed ones) this spring but they are going through the system now.

I am not sure where it will be in October but I think it will be above 4.5 in September at a guess 4.7/4.8

bogman_bass

5.05 today in the northeast

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Is 5:30 flat a good price at this time.

Is there bonuses for HEX and AAX at the moment?

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122369461#Comment_122369461

For what ? Bullocks, heifers, bulls, breed?

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Bullocks, HEX LMX AAX

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370203#Comment_122370203

all depends on the quality if they are well finished suckler bred stock the factory can give you a flat price and it could work out okay for them how good are you at grading yourself

893bet

does R-2- miss out on the quality assurance bonus? Or what price expected for a bullock with that grade this week?

killed a bullock that had deformed legs from birth, to top it off he was a bad grubber and largely refused any nuts pretty much. He had to be segregate from the herd and was a pain in the whole. Weighed well in the end, 340kg at 28 months.

HHH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372116#Comment_122372116

No QA with a 2-

R- gets Base price of 5.00 X Dead Weight assuming under 30 months. If you have numbers you'd get 5.05 base.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372183#Comment_122372183

Thanks, that’s what I was thinking. Ah well. Could have been worse. Happy to get him hanging without incident.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372116#Comment_122372116

We had a heifer that was bought she used to do the splits if on concrete. Slaughtered her O+4- @313 kgs made 1600 euro. She was 18 month, we had her about 12 months

HHH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372321#Comment_122372321

Depending on the factory you could be cut further with a 2-. Potentially -6c on the base price. Same penalty as having a bullock over fat ie 4+. Would be harsh but I've heard about it happening.

Anything you get out of an animal like that is a bonus. At least you didn't lose him.

SuperTortoise

What kill out percentage would you expect from well fleshed U grade suckler bred heifers, bullocks and cows?

Have some of each for going.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122373617#Comment_122373617

If they’re properly fed and have been getting meal for 8 weeks plus then U- heifers should kill out at 56/57% of their yard weight which would be about 60% of mart weight depending on the mart. U=/+ will be a percent or 2 higher.

A lot of that depends on the factory too, some of the private abbatoirs that pay 5 or 10 cent more per kilo would have very poor killouts. Been there, wore the t-shirt.

My figures are based on 8 or 10 years of weighing my own stock in the yard here before they’re killed.

From personal experience I see the following;

O-/= 49-52%
O+/R- 50-53%
R=/R+ 52-55%
U’s 55-59%

The best killout I ever had here were 2 U+ heifers that killed out at 62% but they’d a lot of meal ate and were top class stock

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122373828#Comment_122373828

I would have broad similar figures but just wondering are your figures based on indoor winter feeding or cattle on grass in the summer getting meals I also notice a big difference in % with different breeds

Dickie10

what should fresian bullocks around 700 kg be making ? About 40 months old good flesh. Going to mart with them this week

Dickie10

that’s them on June 13th so they have added a bit in flesh and fat since

Dickie10

sorry don’t think last pics loaded

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122384101#Comment_122384101

They look like good square bits of Friesians. They should hang about 50% off mart weight or a tad with it depending on mart. Are you QA. If so I would be going to a factory. You will probably average 18-21c/kg below the base price at an AIBP plant. Even if not QA I would get an agent to quote.

For example if the weighted 710 average in the mart I expect them to hang 355-363kgs.

At a 4.9 base I would expect them to make 1665-1700 euro on average.

Personally with friesians I woukd never go to the mart if they had flesh on them

kk.man

You will be robbed if you bring those to the mart. Beautiful animals.

Aly Daly

Fantastic bullocks,really lovely to see these type of friesans,if you weren't tight for grass I would hold onto them for as long as the summer lasts,how much meal have they had & over what period, Dawn Slane like these type of cattle.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122384101#Comment_122384101

You bought great fresians, it’s a pity the likes of these weren’t pushed more by teasgac instead of cross breeds

Cavanjack

Lovely bullocks. I’d factory them myself too. You’ll get their worth

White Clover

I'd agree about going to the factory with them. The mart is not the place for them friesians.

Dickie10

that’s good to know I think I’ll keep them on and feed them for 6 weeks before killing them

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386344#Comment_122386344

IIf They have flesh on them. I be killing and replacing. In 6 weeks time it's the end of August factories will have plenty of cattle due to thirty month rules.

The price could be 20-30c/ kg lower than now for over 36 month cattle. At 380/ ton for a ration and the consuming 3 kgs per day rations costs are 48 euro. If there price is 20c/kg lower and they kill 30 kg heavier than now you will.only ing have 70-80 euro extra to cover costs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385377#Comment_122385377

They could actually be some of the genetically smaller Friesians. Sonenof term are quite square it's there inability to grow that is the issus as much as there squareness.

TThey have bern better off fed for two weeks last Summer killed under thirty months. At 280 kgs DW as an O- bullock they would net 1350 at a 4.95 base.

Even assuming you killed them last October at 33 months at a base of 4.6 at 280 DW

As O= they gross 1260

As O- they would gross 1220

locha

Anyone with quotes for next week?

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402089#Comment_122402089

I heard 4.90 which is a disgrace, could probably push for 5