Beef price tracker 2

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212834#Comment_122212834

yeah I might start feeding in two weeks

1848

30 months QA also comes into it.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212927#Comment_122212927

I'd feed straight away two weeks the far end of them will see price drop more.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214191#Comment_122214191

when you think these cattle should be fit then and what weights should they come into?

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214191#Comment_122214191

I’d feed straight away too but I’d be feeding more than 3kg after a week or two.

As regards weight gain, I’d expect them to be gaining a kg a day as it is so a bit of feeding should push them on further.

1848

Response drops off when you feed above 3 kg/day. Substituting expensive meal for cheap grass.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122216370#Comment_122216370

There are going to be hung in a few weeks meal versus grass doesn't matter at this stage. Fat cover can be hard got on fresians.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212927#Comment_122212927

I would feed straight away. Barley/Maize/hulls mix with minerals. 3kgs per day. They probably need 8-10 weeks to really see the result of it. At that stage tge better ones will be grading O-/= getting the 12c or 20c QA bonus.

They should do 1.2-1.5 kgs/ day of on good grass. I be expecting 49% KO off fresh weight. As they start coming fit slaughter the better ones as these will be gobbling the most meal and it gives the others a chance to finish. You probably be slaughtering tge first after 6-7 weeks.

At 330kg a lad getting the 12c is worth 40 euro and 66 if he gets the 20c that is on top of the 6c/ grade allowance.

Aly Daly

Morphy 87,are these cattle bullocks or bulls,Fr or Frx & what age are they?

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221001#Comment_122221001

Bullocks, around 28 months and fr and frx crossed with mountbillard

Aly Daly

I have no experience of a friesan crossed with a mount billiard,a 28mth friesan at 580kg would only be a forward store & would have to be kept on until mid October or whenever grass growth stops or weather becomes miserable,they will only really start to fill out from 30 months so no worries letting them go overage, feed nuts for 60 days 3kg up to 8kg depending on grass quality,big weights can be achieved with friesans with patience,often had 800kg + at 34 months but these would be more the British friesan type.

1848

Cost of feeding high levels meal to say 700 kg Fr later in grazing season is a non runner. Will eat 14 kg dry matter - say 6 kg meal @ 32 c - €1.92 + 8 kg grass @ 15c = €1.20. Total feed cost €3.12. Will put on 0.65 kg carcass (1 kg live wt) @ 4.50/kg - €2.93. Losing money!

weatherbyfoxer

If feeding 5 or 6kg of meal to 500kg bullocks at grass would you still need to split the feeds or could u give it to them in 1 go?..pain in the backside carrying meal out every evening as well as the morning

Aly Daly

I would always split there feed once they are getting anything over 5kg,this is a great forum with so many differing opinions however it is important to remember that when weight stops the money stops & friesans do need pushing especially into the autumn, having said that a great result over a 5 year period in cattle would be to break even so they really are a bit of a hobby,if you want to make something & have good ground set the land out.

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224030#Comment_122224030

Could feed 6kg no bother to big continentals once a day no bother. 5 or 6 might be a push if only 500kg. Have a bin in the field, it cuts down the labour.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122222050#Comment_122222050

I feed them all the time at that weight. 8-10 weeks @3kgs/head turns 90% into FS3,=. They usually grade 25-30%O=, 45% O- and 23-30% P's. Have a spattering of O+'s and only the very odd P=.

I get them away under 30 months mostly. This year 8-10 weeks ration @3kgs/ head will cost 50-57 euro. Friesians slaughtered out beyond mid September need to go 5+kgs of ration and silage to hold flesh on them unless you have a very low stocking rate and they still need the ration to hit DW's of 370+.

Assuming 8 weeks feeding at an averge of 5kgs the cost jumps to aboce 80 euro. Mi d you this could be the year to do it as cattle prices might not collapse.

Last year a Friesian hung at 330 DW@O-3= at a base if 5 had achieved a price of 4.88/kg netted 1600 euro

A Friesian hung in Oct/Nov at a base price of 4.5 and O-4 achieved a price of 4.26 @a DW of 380netted 1608 euro. Now if he was O=4- he got a price 4.4/kg and made 1660 euro.

Tell me which one was the most profitable. The one hung early also has the advantage of being replaced early often at a much cheaper price. I hung the first of mine at 5.25 base last year I think in May.

I have 5 cattle that could be killed at present they are on ration 6 weeks this weekend. But I intend to hold for a few week. I have 30 feeding at present.

Bass Reeves

JUst took a few photos when feeding.

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Good friesian fed 6 weeks yesterday O=3= could climb a grade in 3 weeks probably hang 320kgs at present. Would hang him if price under pressure

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Saler type bullock, O+3- at present 6 weeks bombing along

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BB heifer only on ration a fortnight, Feb born

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FR heifer Feb born on ration a fortnight

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FFr Bullock companion of the first lad not as square bigger frame 6 weeks will be fit in a month probably FS3-

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Big Friesian bullock 3yo, not a year for them Did not thrive on turn put in March andnot enough grass until mid May. FS 3 would hang if price under pressure

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Heifer with bandy legs out all winter could hang will probably grade R+3+ in a month

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LL heifer dairy cross fed 6 weeks needs another 3-4

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Frx bullock.cost 560 last year needs 3-4 weeks fed 6 so far

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Two small heifers the red is slow to grow and finish, the black is down as an AA. Both fed 6 week. The red needs a month

mr.stonewall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233908#Comment_122233908

As always an equal opportunities employer

Sheep breeder

The Frx bullock is a butter box special and what weight and age and grade roughly at killing do you think he will be out of curiosity.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122235732#Comment_122235732

That lad is a good one. He be 29 ish months at finish. Another 4-5 weeks will see him ready. He will probably grade P+/O-@330 kgs. He was 370 kgs when he was bought I cannot remember if he was a bull or bullock. He has kept growing hoped he be a bit handier.

I buy a lot of Friesians for 500-650 euro. Bought 5 during the week. FRX heifer decent type one 295 for 440 euro. 4 295kg bullocks good middle of the road types 540 euro

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This Is the mix

50HX

Is that a Howard's mix Bass??

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236017#Comment_122236017

No its a Bass mix, nothing magic2% molasses, mineral&vits pack should be 2% and the rest is barley/maize/hulls.

No magic mushrooms or white powder( bull mix) it's a straight forward high energy mix Millers want you to buy the mushrooms

farawaygrass

very interesting bass. What is the plan with the bb heifer? I have two fairly similar, can’t go to to the mart though as they have horns.
I’d it normal for the bb to have smaller frames

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236394#Comment_122236394

I think it depends on the mart but you can bring them to some marts if they’ve horns. They just need to be penned separately

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236394#Comment_122236394

Everything goes to the factory here. BB can be slow enough to finish. I will feed her and hopefully she be ready by August. The big bullocks are probably gobbling 4+kgs, some of those heifers are probably only getting 2kgs or even less.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233953#Comment_122233953

We will buy anything we see a margin on and chance animals we know little about. The BB came in at 700 euro @350 along with a companion not quite as good. The LM heifers cost 720 at 355kgs. I would buy the LM definable again at that money not sure about the BB's

mr.stonewall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236746#Comment_122236746

The BBs take time to put fat down. Way quicker with the LM. You should be able pick up reasonably middle of road Suckler bred LMs that wouldnt have been done the best

farawaygrass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236682#Comment_122236682

I’ll double check with the couple of Marts around and see, cheers

farawaygrass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236746#Comment_122236746

Sound.my two are pushing into 4kg a head now so I’ve ear marked for a month to 6 weeks time. Thanks

jfh

With fat cows to sell, would ye go mart or factory at the moment?

Mr..

Mart and let the agents fight over them.