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ILoveYourVibes wrote: »Do you know how many slavs were killed in the holocaust? Or starved after?
Millions.
3 Million poles. That is just polish slavs.
Thanks, I do know.
My two grandfathers belonged to the two opposing sides in the WW2. One of them was summarily executed during the war, the other one used to decide on the fates of enemy elements such as that.
This was all 75 years ago, though...0 -
Well, no. Not as good as or any way close to it, really. The communism was of course, a big pile of ****e, as communism usually is, but in Yugoslavia, it was a homegrown variety, as it were. The Soviets had no input, as Tito aligned Yugoslavia with the Non-aligned
and that was the extent of its political aliances or foreign influences heeded. No Warsaw Pact, no Soviet oversight. The communism in Yugoslavia was of a ‘softer’ kind, as it were. With no Market economy, the consumer goods selection was still non-existant and it was a very drab life by any western standards; however, you could get your passport, hop into your sorry little sardine tin of a car, and pop over to Trieste or Graz for a bit of consumer decadence (i.e. shopping) if you were thus inclined. Also, if you, being a democrat at heart, hated the ideological oppression at home, or simply wanted to make a good bit of money relatively quickly in order to build a house, you went and joined all the Turks on the building sites of Germany.
A Hungarian or a Pole could legally do none of the above things (not without a large amount of difficulty, at least - having a passport was not for everyone). I think it makes a big difference to the mentality of peoples, through the generations. ...
The very fact Tito kept out of Warsaw Pact and denied Stalin making Yugoslavia a Soviet satellite state was why I specifically mentioned them separately.
Yes they didn't have Soviet tanks on their territory, didn't have KGB or Moscow controlled homegrown secret police watching their every move, but it was still a one party state under a dictator.
The very fact the federation fell apart after his death speaks volume about how controlled it was.
Funny you mentioned Trieste, old Tito tried to nap it after WWII, that and form an alliance with Bulgaria in backing communists in Greece, all outside of Stalin's control.Thanks, I do know.
My two grandfathers belonged to the two opposing sides in the WW2. One of them was summarily executed during the war, the other one used to decide on the fates of enemy elements such as that.
This was all 75 years ago, though...
Do tell.0 -
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Story of many families across the Baltic States and Poland where 2 brothers would be on the opposing sides, including my own. The history is very complicated and everyone was just trying to survive, even if it meant betraying your own family, neighbours, friends.
Actually remember being in museum in Taillinn and noticed they covered history of Russian Empire up to around 1918, then the independent years between the wars, then really hammered home about the Soviet invasion in 39 and until the Germans arrived in 41.
There was kinda the vibe that some would have seen the Germans as liberators.
There was very little mentioned about that period until Soviets retook the place in 44 and how awful the Soviet years were.
The Baltic states had large enough Jewish population and it was all but wiped out.
And it wasn't always just the Germans doing the killing.
That period was kinda glossed over, maybe for obvious reason like how French kinda gloss over the Vichy years.
Also a lot of people don't realise some resisted the Soviets for years hiding out in the forests.
And boy is there lots of forest in that neck of the woods.
mcmoustache wrote: »Were you wearing a Russian soccer jersey? I want to know the details.
I've been all over Poland with 3 visits to Krakow and never experienced anything like that.
Maybe they just knew they are a mod here. 0 -
Actually remember being in museum in Taillinn and noticed they covered history of Russian Empire up to around 1918, then the independent years between the wars, then really hammered home about the Soviet invasion in 39 and until the Germans arrived in 41.
There was kinda the vibe that some would have seen the Germans as liberators.
There was very little mentioned about that period until Soviets retook the place in 44 and how awful the Soviet years were.
The Baltic states had large enough Jewish population and it was all but wiped out.
And it wasn't always just the Germans doing the killing.
That period was kinda glossed over, maybe for obvious reason like how French kinda gloss over the Vichy years.
Also a lot of people don't realise some resisted the Soviets for years hiding out in the forests.
And boy is there lots of forest in that neck of the woods.
Maybe they just knew they are a mod here.
I was in an antique shop in Tallinn that was full of Nazi stuff so I said to my friend "I think this guy is a Nazi" to which she replied "no its just war stuff" which i followed with "thats fair but what about the wall full of Golliwog toys" at which point he the store owned said it was closing time despite it being 2 hours before the time on the window and I know my watch wasnt wrong because it was on the same time as all the golliwog clocks.
On the bright side next door was an amazing little craft beer pub built out of what looked like the guys sitting room and hed let you smoke fags inside as long as you blew it up the chimney0 -
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