Law Firm Milkrounds 20/21

murray132

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LawBoy2018

What salaries are the big 5 offering trainees for the 2023/2024 intakes?

Leitrimach

I think around 55k but unsure!

LoJB

I would have imagined between €40,000 - €49,000 starting?

LawBoy2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868272#Comment_119868272

Really? That would be a massive boost compared to what we're being paid now.

Leitrimach

I know simmons & simmons, maples and dechert all play 50k +

DarthBhfeidir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868272#Comment_119868272

Never heard of anything that high, but can imagine that it has increased as trainees have to be attracted to Dublin.

I’ve heard the biggest firms offering €44,000-€47,000. Some big firms are a surprising amount below that. I know a guy working for one of the biggest UK firms getting €32,000.

LawBoy2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119869346#Comment_119869346

Simmons & Simmons and Dechert likely pay more as they only take on two or three trainees each year, which would probably deter top tier trainee applicants.

That's surprising to hear about Maples as they're barely a top 10 firm and have much larger intakes than Simmons & Dechert.

Leitrimach

Just a side question, anyone any idea what;s the most prestigious/best firm to train at? I've heard Arthur Cox/A&L are considered best rep wise.

HupitGame

A&L/Matheson/Arthur Cox would be considered the 3 main top-dog firms in the country, both in terms of their solicitor count, client list, and perceived prestigiousness. But they're obviously also very difficult to get into considering how many graduates apply to these firms and the quality of the applicants. Someone else in the thread mentioned a UK firm paying trainees getting paid 32k. I believe that's Addleshaw Goddard, but could be wrong. On the other hand, another international firm like Pinsent Masons pays 44k. Large international firms like Dechert can afford to pay their trainees above and beyond big 5 considering the size of their intake is about 2. But that's the exception realistically.

I am training at one of those firms. Salaries for the big 5 are on or around 42 to 50k, increasing for every year of experience that a trainee has. Salary reviews were conducted recently with modest increases. This is not including the many perks these trainees usually get (work phones, free meals if working late, plenty of social events with open bars, etc). Firms also sometimes fund overseas trips for trainees (Matheson intake went to Madrid, another firm to Milan). I wouldn't look at the money difference in making a decision between the big firms, they all pay basically the same plus or minus a couple thousand.

The salary is not as impressive as one might think. I worked in a particularly busy department as a trainee, and having done the math (considering no OT), I was barely earning above the minimum wage considering the hours I was expected to put in. If you're in a transactional seat (as I was), it can get particularly mental. I recall having particularly bad luck and being on several different closings and having to working ridiculous hours with an unfortunate number of midnight or later finishes. That's not to frighten anyone, I don't believe my experience is typical, only to illustrate the point that at the big corporate firms, client service is everything.

Pc_law

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119866400#Comment_119866400

Anyone know what firms like Eversheds, ByrneWallace and RDJ are paying their trainees?

LoJB

Anyone who did an interview with Eversheds hear back or know anyone who has?

Or in general, does anyone know how long it takes to hear back from a trainee interview?

LawBoy2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871015#Comment_119871015

They would each be in the €30K-39K range. RDJ Dublin may pay more than RDJ Cork/Galway.

the baby bull elephant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871015#Comment_119871015

The last 2 are about 32k.

legalbeagle20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871082#Comment_119871082

Louise said we should hear back by Monday (today) so hopefully soon!

legalbeagle20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871233#Comment_119871233

It says on Eversheds' trainee booklet that they pay "€43,000 starting salary which will be increased each year over the trainee programme".

LoJB

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LoJB

Hopefully! I will post if I hear back!

LawBoy2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871732#Comment_119871732

The Eversheds trainees in my year (year 1) are paid less than €40K for sure, probably closer to €35K.

LoJB

wow - they should amend their brochure!

DOSb77

Did anyone hear anything from BW?

LoJB

No - how long ago was your interview?

DOSb77

November 4th. 2nd interview. They said two weeks, which would have been last Friday....

DarthBhfeidir

Anyone heard back from Ogier?

Finding some firms already have offers out, the remaining ones are very late and slow to the game. I have an interview with Matheson Thursday.

Hoping my current place comes back with an offer before they make theirs to be honest (having read Hupitgame’s post). Big firm, but fairly reasonable on the hours.

legalbeagle20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871979#Comment_119871979

I got the call there so they're getting back to interviewees today!

murray132

has anybody interviewed with Matheson previously? If so what was the interview like? What did the presentation involve!

TIA

LoJB

Fantastic - I hope it was good news for you!

DOSb77

So what firms have actually actually concluded their recruitment process...As indicated through offers to candidates or PFO's? It would be good to compile a list here.

jcarroll9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119872222#Comment_119872222

No update.

What stage are you looking to hear back regarding?

I had an initial call with them about 3 weeks ago and was told id hear back in 2 weeks. I followed up and heard nothing since.

they said they were interviewing in cycles and at that stage had 4/8 traineeship slots filled.

a friend of mine applied after me and has not had her application acknowledged.

DarthBhfeidir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119873845#Comment_119873845

Second stage. Same story as you as it happens, they told me they had filled 4/7 positions however.

Anybody heard back from Dillon Eustace on second round?