All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

And you assume everyone is with you up on your moral high ground. Reminder that Florida has had no statewide covid restrictions since last September but hospitals there were never overwhelmed, swamped or whatever over dramatised term you like to use much to the disgust of Democrats btw.

I don't assume anything, poll after poll has shown most people agree with the restrictions. Funny that, most people don't think its cool to try and kill vulnerable people.

Florida wont lift all their restrictions until July 1st. They signed an exec order at the start of this month to hold them over until then. Its is wrong to state they lifted them in september.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/03/florida-governor-desantis-suspends-all-remaining-covid-restrictions.html

DeSantis signed a bill Monday that codifies the executive order into law, effective July 1.

TBH, i wouldn't be holding Florida up as a shining beacon

Florida has reported the third-most Covid-19 cases in the U.S. at more than 2.2 million since the beginning of the pandemic and the fourth-highest death toll at more than 35,000 fatalities

With respect, you are woefully uneducated on this. As Abe once said, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt

Himnydownunder

PintOfView wrote: »

If a new strain of the virus comes along that the vaccine doesn't protect against
then we'll have to deal with that if it happens.

However so far this doesn't seem to be the case, so things are still looking optimistic.

Re needing to vaccinate 3.1m, we have just under 2m vaccinated with first dose already,
why do you think we won't have 3.1m done by end of August?
(may take longer for 3.1 m to have had the second dose, but even one dose confers a lot of protection)

Is the H.S.E. database even up and running at the moment? Will future vaccine appointments even be honoured?

runawaybishop

Himnydownunder wrote: »

Is the H.S.E. database even up and running at the moment?

No its horsed, but we are using GP data and self registration so its not a disaster for the vaccination rollout.

Himnydownunder

runawaybishop wrote: »

No its horsed, but we are using GP data and self registration so its not a disaster for the vaccination rollout.

“We” ;-)

runawaybishop

Himnydownunder wrote: »

“We” ;-)

Don't you know, the lads that post here are all paid shills.

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

I don't assume anything, poll after poll has shown most people agree with the restrictions. Funny that, most people don't think its cool to try and kill vulnerable people.

Florida wont lift all their restrictions until July 1st. They signed an exec order at the start of this month to hold them over until then. Its is wrong to state they lifted them in september.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/03/florida-governor-desantis-suspends-all-remaining-covid-restrictions.html

DeSantis signed a bill Monday that codifies the executive order into law, effective July 1.

TBH, i wouldn't be holding Florida up as a shining beacon

Florida has reported the third-most Covid-19 cases in the U.S. at more than 2.2 million since the beginning of the pandemic and the fourth-highest death toll at more than 35,000 fatalities

With respect, you are woefully uneducated on this. As Abe once said, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt

Cmon now they may some limited amount of covid restrictions but hardly the same as Ireland. There were UFC fights in Florida with a full crowd in attendance and no social distancing hardly comparable to the draconian measures in Ireland.

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

Cmon now they may some limited amount of covid restrictions but hardly the same as Ireland. There were UFC fights in Florida with a full crowd in attendance and no social distancing hardly comparable to the draconian measures in Ireland.

Irrelevant, you stated they lifted all restrictions last year, this is just not true. They also had a mountain of cases and deaths. As did Texas. I have no idea why you are using them to highlight your point, they do the opposite.

aido79

GT89 wrote: »

Cmon now they may some limited amount of covid restrictions but hardly the same as Ireland. There were UFC fights in Florida with a full crowd in attendance and no social distancing hardly comparable to the draconian measures in Ireland.

It seems like you are eventually coming around to the possibility that restrictions won't be permanent?

GT89

aido79 wrote: »

It seems like you are eventually coming around to the possibility that restrictions won't be permanent?

They will lift them then reimpose them imo

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

Irrelevant, you stated they lifted all restrictions last year, this is just not true. They also had a mountain of cases and deaths. As did Texas. I have no idea why you are using them to highlight your point, they do the opposite.

Covid deaths maybe but maybe we compare suicides in Ireland with Florida. Also places with lockdowns like California had higher deaths than Florida.

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

Cmon now they may some limited amount of covid restrictions but hardly the same as Ireland. There were UFC fights in Florida with a full crowd in attendance and no social distancing hardly comparable to the draconian measures in Ireland.

See the graph below for the weekly deaths in Florida, from all causes, for the last 4 years
(from here -> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm )

The orange line is the threshold for excess deaths.

In Aug 2020 deaths were running at 2,000 per week higher than normal (5,791 vs expected 3,781),
and in Jan 2021 deaths were running at about 1,500 per week more than normal.

see here (from 12 July 2020 -->
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53382540

"Florida has registered a state record of 15,299 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours - around a quarter of all of the United States' daily infections.
The state, with just 7% of the US population, surpassed the previous daily record held by California.
Florida, which began lifting coronavirus restrictions in May, has proved vulnerable due to tourism and an elderly population.
Its figures eclipse the worst daily rates seen in New York in April.
The latest figures were released a day after Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida reopened, but with safety measures including mask-wearing and widespread use of sanitiser.
The caseload in Florida has continued to rise despite Republican Governor Ron DeSantis ordering some bars to close again last month."

Compare that to Ireland, where we've had very low excess deaths, apart from April 2020 and Jan 2021, but normal the rest of the time.

GT89

PintOfView wrote: »

See the graph below for the weekly deaths in Florida, from all causes, for the last 4 years
(from here -> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm )

The orange line is the threshold for excess deaths.

In Aug 2020 deaths were running at 2,000 per week higher than normal (5,791 vs expected 3,781),
and in Jan 2021 deaths were running at about 1,500 per week more than normal.

see here (from 12 July 2020 -->
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53382540

"Florida has registered a state record of 15,299 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours - around a quarter of all of the United States' daily infections.
The state, with just 7% of the US population, surpassed the previous daily record held by California.
Florida, which began lifting coronavirus restrictions in May, has proved vulnerable due to tourism and an elderly population.
Its figures eclipse the worst daily rates seen in New York in April.
The latest figures were released a day after Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida reopened, but with safety measures including mask-wearing and widespread use of sanitiser.
The caseload in Florida has continued to rise despite Republican Governor Ron DeSantis ordering some bars to close again last month."

Compare that to Ireland, where we've had very low excess deaths, apart from April 2020 and Jan 2021, but normal the rest of the time.

Thank you for proving my point Florida had lockdown in lifted covid restrictions in September 2020. According to your graph there were less deaths in January 2021 with covid measures lifted than in August 2020 with covid measures. So covid deaths actually dropped after restrictions were lifted.

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

Covid deaths maybe but maybe we compare suicides in Ireland with Florida. Also places with lockdowns like California had higher deaths than Florida.

Well, how do suicides compare between Ireland and Florida?

Re California vs Florida, I don't have the time to look it up again,
but I read before an explanation for that, which included socio economic factors, etc.

Have you actually looked it up objectively?

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

Thank you for proving my point Florida had lockdown in lifted covid restrictions in September 2020. According to your graph there were less deaths in January 2021 with covid measures lifted than in August 2020 with covid measures. So covid deaths actually dropped after restrictions were lifted.

Go and look at the original graph, their lockdown brought their numbers down,
and deaths levelled out in Oct 2020, and then went up again.
Deaths will occur typically about 20 days after infection, so cases had levelled out in Sept.
So after lockdown was lifted in September the cases started to increase and by end of October deaths were on the way up again.

You've got to put an effort into actually understanding this
and cheap remarks about proving your point are just that, and don't show any understanding!

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

Thank you for proving my point Florida had lockdown in lifted covid restrictions in September 2020. According to your graph there were less deaths in January 2021 with covid measures lifted than in August 2020 with covid measures. So covid deaths actually dropped after restrictions were lifted.

And by the way, if you really want to understand the reality,
look at that graph and explain why July / Aug 2020 had such a huge number of deaths in Florida
compared to every other July/Aug for the prev 3 years?

GT89

PintOfView wrote: »

Go and look at the original graph, their lockdown brought their numbers down,
and deaths levelled out in Oct 2020, and then went up again.
Deaths will occur typically about 20 days after infection, so cases had levelled out in Sept.
So after lockdown was lifted in September the cases started to increase and by end of October deaths were on the way up again.

You've got to put an effort into actually understanding this
and cheap remarks about proving your point are just that, and don't show any understanding!

Another waffly response from you. Deaths were still lower August than January so second wave without lockdown was less deadly than the first with lockdown

ShatterAlan

Personally I don't think that all measures will be made permanent,


But laws have been passed and given the label of this pandemic.


In The Netherlands they have passed a law stripping patient-doctor confidentiality.

Why would you pass a law and call it a COVID-19 law?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/937

GT89

PintOfView wrote: »

And by the way, if you really want to understand the reality,
look at that graph and explain why July / Aug 2020 had such a huge number of deaths in Florida
compared to every other July/Aug for the prev 3 years?

Bad flu year possibly

King Mob

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Personally I don't think that all measures will be made permanent,


But laws have been passed and given the label of this pandemic.


In The Netherlands they have passed a law stripping patient-doctor confidentiality.

You were asked to provide a source for this before.

Also, which other measures are going to be permanent? Which ones are not?

GT89

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Very simple, use the word "if"

If the Indian variant is more serious than expected (which we are all aware of) then some measures may remain

If a brand new virus emerges from somewhere then we may have to lockdown again

So you are saying there is a chance all covid restriction could be permanent. All throughout the thread you were asking us conspiracy cranks the question now you've answered it yourself.

aido79

GT89 wrote: »

They will lift them then reimpose them imo

In line with case numbers and variants present in the country or for some other reasons?

Himnydownunder

aido79 wrote: »

In line with case numbers and variants present in the country or for some other reasons?

Whether people like it or not, there is at least one more lockdown on the way. I understand people’s frustration at the thought of being locked up again, don’t kill the messengers.

Fighting Tao

Himnydownunder wrote: »

Whether people like it or not, there is at least one more lockdown on the way. I understand people’s frustration at the thought of being locked up again, don’t kill the messengers.

You keep repeating this, but can’t provide any evidence to back it up. Who in government said another lockdown is going to happen? What is its purpose when 40-50k people are getting vaccinated daily and there seems to be little evidence of the Indian strain causing serious issues after vaccination?

By any chance did you hear it with curfews on the missing Newstalk show?

Himnydownunder

Fighting Tao wrote: »

You keep repeating this, but can’t provide any evidence to back it up. Who in government said another lockdown is going to happen? What is its purpose when 40-50k people are getting vaccinated daily and there seems to be little evidence of the Indian strain causing serious issues after vaccination?

By any chance did you hear it with curfews on the missing Newstalk show?

Nobody in government ever gives us advanced warning of a lockdown. It won’t happen for two months anyway I’d imagine. In the meantime we’d better nab any Indian nationals running from hotels.

Lewis_Benson

We will be out of this soon folks.

timsey tiger

GT89 wrote: »

Bad flu year possibly

Flu in August? I am embarrassed for you, try harder.

PintOfView

PintOfView wrote: »

And by the way, if you really want to understand the reality,
look at that graph and explain why July / Aug 2020 had such a huge number of deaths in Florida
compared to every other July/Aug for the prev 3 years?

GT89 wrote: »

Bad flu year possibly

Bad flu year! Don't think so!

I can understand that graphs might not mean much to some people, so let me show you
the number of people who died in Florida, in two different weeks of the past 4 years
(week of 14th Jan, and week of 1st Aug)

Florida: Deaths per week (in two sample weeks, over the past 4 years)
Year|Wk of 14th Jan|Wk of 1st Aug| ..
2017 |4,337|3,668|
2018 |4,696|3,686|
2019 |4,202|3,899|
2020 |4,410|5,791| <- normal flu season, but look at August!!!


Do you find the table understandable?

If you do, then what is your explanation for the number of people who died in 2020 in week of 1st Aug?
(2,000 people more than normal died in that week, in the middle of Summer!)

PintOfView

Himnydownunder wrote: »

Whether people like it or not, there is at least one more lockdown on the way. I understand people’s frustration at the thought of being locked up again, don’t kill the messengers.

I could say "whether people like it or not there is going to be snow in Ireland this August".
Without any reason for saying it, my statement has the same value as yours
(though both of us could accidently be right).

Will you be working off the assumption that there will be a lockdown in September?
So, not booking anything for Sept or Oct, etc?

aido79

Himnydownunder wrote: »

Whether people like it or not, there is at least one more lockdown on the way. I understand people’s frustration at the thought of being locked up again, don’t kill the messengers.

Can you explain why you think another lockdown will be necessary? What stage do you think the vaccine program will be at in September?
Are you completely unable to see a link between lockdowns and the level of transmission of the virus in the community because you have some sort of anti government chip on your shoulder?

Pinch Flat

Sorry lads just checked in on the thread. Seems to be a lot of rehashing, whataboutery and downplaying of Covid going on. Can any one point out a permanent restriction that's still here?