All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

PhantomHat

The Nal wrote: »

To believe theres some sort of grand conspiracy to turn the world into a commie state or whatever you'd need to believe that all world governments - every race, religion and culture on the globe - have all simultaneously come together and agreed to this plot. Agreed to be "told" what to do by secret elites.

They've all, to the last man and woman - Trump, Varadkar, Bolsonaro, Bojo, Orban, Shinzo Abe, Ardern, Morrison, Modi, Trudeau, Macron, Conte, Merkel, Xi Jinping, The Pope etc and all their cabinets, advisors and families have all agreed to destroy their economies, risk losing elections and risk losing their lives and the lives of their families.

Out of the hundreds of thousands involved, not one has spoken up or produced any evidence whatsoever.

And then you see that the UK government, one of the most powerful in the world, under reported 16,000 cases because they were using a ****ing Excel sheet which was over populated.

But these are the guys implementing widespread global change under our noses?

Always astonishes that people genuinely believe their governments are that competent. What a pathetically naive and uneducated world view.

Its already out in the open.
The World Economic Forum has been busy with new ideas for some time. They are calling this change the Great Reset.
It has its own official website. Check it out. No hiding in the shadows here!

King Mob

brianhere wrote: »

Yes they certainly do 'advertise' absolutely everywhere their wish that society be destroyed, with social distancing etc, and private industry collapsed - an obvious communist aim -

Cool. That's a very silly claim.
Why do you believe they advertise their secret evil plan in such a way to give you guys clues?
You missed that part of my post.

brianhere wrote: »

but the fact that everywhere science recognises this virus as no dangerous than the flu is not so widely publicised I notice:

Ok.
So scientists who are advocating for the various precautions are all secret communists?
Or...?

Dohnjoe

PhantomHat wrote: »

Its already out in the open.
The World Economic Forum has been busy with new ideas for some time. They are calling this change the Great Reset.
It has its own official website. Check it out. No hiding in the shadows here!

We are referring to the paranoid interpretation of it, that some "powers-that-be" are using the event as a pretext to order world leaders to "decimate" their respective economies for some undetermined reason.

PhantomHat

Dohnjoe wrote: »

We are referring to the paranoid interpretation of it, that some "powers-that-be" are using the event as a pretext to order world leaders to "decimate" their respective economies for some undetermined reason.

Indeed. Its folly to 100% trust something that is written or proposed in such a way that makes it. very much open to different interpretation IMO. Always good to throw on a dollop of suspicion when it comes to government or large organisations

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

We are referring to the paranoid interpretation of it, that some "powers-that-be" are using the event as a pretext to order world leaders to "decimate" their respective economies for some undetermined reason.

The reason is to allow the reset to take place as well as the "build back better" they are increasingly talking about.

Because of a virus we need, according to Schwab, stakeholder capitalism, and to reset and revamp all aspects of society. That doesn't sound crazy to you?

mikekerry

Dohnjoe wrote: »

If the pandemic lasts 5 years, we'll be wearing masks and social distancing for 5 years. If it stops, and then there's another similar global pandemic in 20 years, we'll be wearing masks, social distancing and taking lockdown measures in 20 years.

All of which has nothing to do with your personal delusions and fantasies about the "commies" taking over.

So you can predict that if there is another virus in 20 years lockdowns will still be a practical method used to alleviate them.
Even WHO are coming out now saying lockdowns are not the answer.
I'm afraid you are talking guff.

Dionaibh

brianhere wrote: »

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/09/face-shield-and-mask.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201009Z1&mid=DM673294&rid=983357276

As pointed out above the experts are now talking about a 2 year timetable where people continue to wear masks after the vaccine is rolled out. Meanwhile the Taoiseach has contradicted the Tanaiste saying we should be honest with people i.e. they intend doing this for years, "saving Christmas" and "circuit breaker" is just the latest guff to drag people along who are too trusting of their government.

This is just communist population control, it has nothing to do with any virus.

I'd caution against paying too much attention to all these experts. They say different things every day.

Even Fauci, with his constant doom and gloom, said people would be able to resume their regular lives late next year. But expect him to say the opposite soon enough.

A two week lockdown to two years.

Dionaibh

mikekerry wrote: »

So you can predict that if there is another virus in 20 years lockdowns will still be a practical method used to alleviate them.
Even WHO are coming out now saying lockdowns are not the answer.
I'm afraid you are talking guff.

A dangerous precedent has been set with these lockdowns.

mikekerry

Dionaibh wrote: »

A dangerous precedent has been set with these lockdowns.

Agreed and hopefully there will be studies done on devastating effects they are having.

Dionaibh

mikekerry wrote: »

Agreed and hopefully there will be studies done on devastating effects they are having.

They've already been done and they showed that they are doing tremendous damage and will cause 150 million extra people to starve to death, and lead to thousands of deaths in the future.

Dohnjoe

mikekerry wrote: »

So you can predict that if there is another virus in 20 years lockdowns will still be a practical method used to alleviate them.

It's a method of stopping the virus from spreading. If there was an alternative available with less adverse effects we'd be using it. Perhaps in the future we'll all be working and doing schooling from home and robots will be running everything, but if not, then indeed it might be used.

And no, it's not some "secret plan" by the powers-that-be to destroy the economy or instill totalitarism or communism or whatever, which is what is being suggested in these threads.

Dohnjoe

mikekerry wrote: »

Agreed and hopefully there will be studies done on devastating effects they are having.

We can see the economic effects of the lockdown. They are taken into account in the decision-making process.

It's not like the small army of economists and experts and professionals in every nation suddenly forgot about the impact; "hey wait a minute, closing down industries like airlines, hotels, etc might have some sort of effect on the economy.."

Yet this is the impression I am getting from some of the anti-lockdown fundamentalists I've seen popping up..

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And no, it's not some "secret plan" by the powers-that-be to destroy the economy or instill totalitarism or communism or whatever....

Agree, no secret plan at all, just an open, plain sight, globalist vision of a 'Great Reset'.
https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1G0X000006OLciUAG?tab=publications

Dionaibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

We can see the economic effects of the lockdown. They are taken into account in the decision-making process.

It's not like the small army of economists and experts and professionals in every nation suddenly forgot about the impact; "hey wait a minute, closing down industries like airlines, hotels, etc might have some sort of effect on the economy.."

Yet this is the impression I am getting from some of the anti-lockdown fundamentalists I've seen popping up..

In countries such as Ireland and the UK they seem to have no problem with shutting down businesses every few weeks.

Dohnjoe

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Agree, no secret plan at all, just an open, plain sight, globalist vision of a 'Great Reset'.
https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1G0X000006OLciUAG?tab=publications

Exactly, it's not a secret, and there's nothing "scary" about it. Except for your personal interpretation of it. But you seem to be well aware of it so you bury your nonsense under a pile of "maybes" and "perhaps"

Maybe you'll go to your doctor and get a Covid shot, or maybe you'll also get an invisible secret "mark" to track you, which you've literally suggested is going to be the case. Who knows, maybe, perhaps, it could be good, it could be bad

King Mob

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

no secret plan at all, just an open, plain sight, globalist vision of a 'Great Reset'.

Cept when we ask you to provide the specifics or to back up your bizarre claims of what they will do in the future.
Then you guys tell us that "well they're obviously not going to be open about that."

You guys also have not actually explained why they are being open in the first place?
Why hand the clues to you?

Also, since you guys are so concerned about this evil plot, what are you doing about it specifically? How do you plan to counter or resist it? How do you plan to raise awareness of it and rally others to your cause?
Is this why you are not open about your religious belief about these topics?

brianhere

King Mob
"Is this why you are not open about your religious belief about these topics?"

I don't have a religious belief about these topics as such, I am a Catholic though if thats any help. I do feel passionately that I, and other citizens, should be allowed to breathe freely the air of Ireland and travel around and worship etc and certainly not cower in a virtual prison because of the flu.

brianhere

As you can see here, the big western intelligence agencies are running the show here on this virus. The relevant UK department used to be headed by Tom Hurd, head of counter intelligence at the Home Office, i.e. MI5, and he is to be replaced by a senior figure from GCHQ, the partner of NSA in the UK: https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd .

Dohnjoe

brianhere wrote: »

As you can see here, the big western intelligence agencies are running the show here on this virus.

Cool, intelligence agencies are running what exactly? be specific..

Timberrrrrrrr

brianhere wrote: »

As you can see here, the big western intelligence agencies are running the show here on this virus. The relevant UK department used to be headed by Tom Hurd, head of counter intelligence at the Home Office, i.e. MI5, and he is to be replaced by a senior figure from GCHQ, the partner of NSA in the UK: https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd .

So your issue is that someone who is experienced in security is taking over as a head of security?

Senior spy appointed to lead UK’s joint biosecurity centre

brianhere

Dohnjoe
"Cool, intelligence agencies are running what exactly? be specific.. "

I am just going by what the article says, that the spooks are running the Covid-19 operation:

"Downing Street has appointed a senior spy to lead the UK’s joint biosecurity centre, which will monitor the spread of coronavirus across the country and suppress new outbreaks.

Clare Gardiner, head of cyber resilience and strategy at the National Cyber Security Centre — a branch of signals intelligence agency GCHQ — will become the centre’s first director-general, responsible for advising ministers on the “alert level” for the virus; which is similar to assessing the terror threat.
...
The decision to put a security official in charge is likely to cause consternation among public health experts, who have questioned whether the template of a terror analysis centre is appropriate for managing a viral pandemic. Tom Hurd, head of counter-terrorism at the Home Office, was seconded to help set up the centre last month, but is now back in his permanent role.
...
A small number of personnel from GCHQ’s headquarters in Cheltenham have already been seconded to help the centre develop its data analytics capabilities, a Whitehall official said."
( https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd .)

King Mob

brianhere wrote: »

I don't have a religious belief about these topics as such, I am a Catholic though if thats any help

Kaelyn Itchy License believes that there is a plot to implant everyone with microchips and that this is the mark of the beast predicted in the Bible.

Do you share this belief?

brianhere wrote: »

I do feel passionately that I, and other citizens, should be allowed to breathe freely the air of Ireland and travel around and worship etc and certainly not cower in a virtual prison because of the flu.

Lol. This is very silly and hyperbolic nonsense.

Since you do feel so passionately about it, what action are you taking about it?

Dionaibh

I hear Mr Gates has said life can go back to normal only when second generation vaccines are widely available. So it could be years. And people still think this tyranny is about a virus.

King Mob

Dionaibh wrote: »

And people still think this tyranny is about a virus.

Lol tyranny...

Again this is more empty hyperbole that you cannot defend or substantiate.
It's more like you are making this proclaimations to sound like a brave resistance fighter.

So remind us why you aren't reading that book?
Too scary?
What are you doing to fight back against this tyranny besides watching YouTube and not reading books?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Maybe you'll go to your doctor and get a Covid shot, or maybe you'll also get an invisible secret "mark" to track you^, whichyou've* literally suggested is going to be the case.

^ Nothing secret about the QDT, considered for the final candidate vaccine.
https://news.rice.edu/2019/12/18/quantum-dot-tattoos-hold-vaccination-record/

^ Not a tracking device, also not a 'chip±' (as some here knowingly falsely claim), but a simple scanable static (±non-processing) digital identifier, very similar to a passive QRCode, but better - no problem if you forget your phone, have low battery, no App. This embodiment (even v1 at 16kb), is far more persistant.

* Bill Gates (has suggested):

“Eventually we will have some 'digital certificates' to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.”

FYI: is the chap whom funded MIT to discover and produce the best of class Digital Immunity Certification to compliment any (final) vaccine rollout to 8bn folks.
The world's #1 Uni, and perhaps the best medi-nano-tech team in the world, on the back of Gates millions of $$$, proposed only the QDT as the best solution.

Quantum dots are small, semiconducting nanoparticles, in the range of 2 to 10 nanometers. The tags are incorporated in a Band-Aid-like “tattoo” composed of sugar-based microneedles that dissolve into the skin, are conductive and fluoresce their unique patterns, under any UV/IRed light exposure.

This is also the most practical and efficent method to deploy 8bn doses at the end of 2021. It likely won't even need refrigeration, perfect for the sub-sahara. It also fulfills ID2020's aim of vaccine (GAVI) based ID creation perfectly.

King Mob

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Not a tracking device, also not a 'chip±' (as some here knowingly falsely claim),

Weird how you always rush to correct this, but not about the operative part of why your theory is silly nonsense.
That being that you believe that the chip or tattoo or whatever it will be next time is the mark of the beast predicted by the Bible.

What we're pointing to is that your theory and your bizzare interpretations all stem from you fringe religious belief.

Saying it's a "quantum dot tattoo and not a microchip" doesn't make your theory less religiously base or any less ridiculous.

Also the fact that you keep jumping on people to correct them about that minor detail, yet not about your religious belief combined with your continued refusal to state your position about it shows your dishonesty.

So yea, you believe that there is a plot to microchip/tattoo/barcode everyone and that this plot was predicted accurately through supernatural revelation in the Bible.

Dohnjoe

brianhere wrote: »

I am just going by what the article says, that the spooks are running the Covid-19 operation:

"Downing Street has appointed a senior spy to lead the UK’s joint biosecurity centre, which will monitor the spread of coronavirus across the country and suppress new outbreaks.

Clare Gardiner, head of cyber resilience and strategy at the National Cyber Security Centre — a branch of signals intelligence agency GCHQ — will become the centre’s first director-general, responsible for advising ministers on the “alert level” for the virus; which is similar to assessing the terror threat.
...
The decision to put a security official in charge is likely to cause consternation among public health experts, who have questioned whether the template of a terror analysis centre is appropriate for managing a viral pandemic. Tom Hurd, head of counter-terrorism at the Home Office, was seconded to help set up the centre last month, but is now back in his permanent role.
...
A small number of personnel from GCHQ’s headquarters in Cheltenham have already been seconded to help the centre develop its data analytics capabilities, a Whitehall official said."
( https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd .)

Security people are being hired to run a security centre. The clue is in the name: "biosecurity".

Dohnjoe

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

^ Nothing

Here's you suggesting we are going to be "watched" by streetlamps, and that we'll be marked with secret "tattoo's"

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114675669&postcount=954

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here's you suggesting we are going to be "watched" by streetlamps

Well....what you actually mean (due to technical ignorance), is the replicaiton of the Chinese model of highly efficent SmartLampPosts (yes, the type often cut down by civil rights protesters in HK with angle grinders).

Of course the 'Smart Cities' concept is nothing new (currently experiencing global hyper-gowth)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/this-is-how-we-secure-smart-cities

These multi-functional smart posts are the centre peice, a pre-requirement for the self-driving transport.

They will host a huge variety of sensors, IOT, lightning fast data points upon cloud archtecture, and a plethora of high zoom, (ai)cameras (including infrared {QDT} spectroscopy) scaning capability (and more), are all given.

Of course the WEF recommends the acceleration of such 'InfraTech' ecosystems, and require civic participation (compliance) for all new modals of Urban Innovation.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/5-ways-speed-up-creation-smart-cities/

Cities should adopt 'Smart Urbanisation' https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LiPhEAK?tab=publications
Pre-crime (constant audio monitoring, combined along with ai-pattern forecasting) even gets a mention here:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/how-the-internet-of-things-is-building-smarter-cities-72269e8b88

All fine, but why has Silcon Valley banned simple street level public CCTV, why has GoogleGlass AR been abandoned, why have the cops in Wales been called out for mass data combing of faces using Clearview's ({recently hacked} db of 3bn faces, mostly scraped off social media posts).

Dohnjoe

Kaelyn Itchy License wrote: »

Well....what you actually mean, is the replicaiton of the Chinese model of highly efficent SmartLampPosts (yes, the type often cut down by civil rights protesters in HK with angle grinders).


Of course the 'Smart Cities' concept is nothing new (currently experiencing global hyper-gowth)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/this-is-how-we-secure-smart-cities



The multi-functional smart posts are the centre peice.

They will host a huge variety of sensors, IOT, lightning fast data points upon cloud archtecture, and a plethora of high zoom, (ai)cameras (including infrared {QDT} spectroscopy) scaning capability (and more), are all given.



Of course the WEF recommends the acceleration of such 'InfraTech' ecosystems, and require civic participation (compliance) for all new modals of Urban Innovation.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/5-ways-speed-up-creation-smart-cities/
Cities should adopt 'Smart Urbanisation' https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LiPhEAK?tab=publications
Pre-crime (constant audio monitoring combined, along with ai-pattern forecasting) even gets a mention here:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/how-the-internet-of-things-is-building-smarter-cities-72269e8b88


All fine, but why has Silcon Valley banned simple street level public CCTV, why has GoogleGlass AR been abandoned, why have the cops in Wales been called out for mass data combing of faces using Clearview's ({recently hacked} db of 3bn).

Cutting through all this techno-waffle, the answer is yes, you think streetlamps will be "watching us"

Technology --> goes through your paranoid filter --> "it will be used by the powers-that-be to track/control us"