Have NPHET lost the attention of people?

suicide_circus

One of the side effects of this pandemic has been to reveal a subset of our society who have an awful horn for controlling the lives of others.

Richard Hillman

General NPHET and his Junta intend to be around for a lot longer

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1302131708641390592?s=19

The need to politely **** off right now

Oranage2

Gael23 wrote: »

What is there to do outside work and your. home?

It's the new normal, you have to adapt, you have to find new interests and social ideas.

FintanMcluskey

suicide_circus wrote: »

One of the side effects of this pandemic has been to reveal a subset of our society who have an awful horn for controlling the lives of others.

And also a subset who have a horn for wanting to be controlled.

gifted

Just watching the 9 news and nphet chap is saying the same message again....it's just repeating the same warning over and over again...yet the numbers are going up....

karlitob

gifted wrote: »

Just watching the 9 news and nphet chap is saying the same message again....it's just repeating the same warning over and over again...yet the numbers are going up....

Not sure what the point is here.

The message is the same as these measures are the only way to control a virus: wash hands, cough etiquette, keep your distance, isolate if unwell. So you know now, this will never change for this virus or any virus, pandemic or no pandemic.

And the numbers are going up because people aren’t adhering the guidelines - for whatever reason.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

And also a subset who have a horn for wanting to be controlled.

and also a subset of people who are obsessed with the horn

growleaves

karlitob wrote: »

And the numbers are going up because people aren’t adhering the guidelines - for whatever reason.

There's no proof of that, it's just assumed.

NIMAN

gifted wrote: »

Just watching the 9 news and nphet chap is saying the same message again....it's just repeating the same warning over and over again...yet the numbers are going up....

The press conferences are all a bit samey, aren't they?

Only livened up of late because there is a chance the Dubs might all get locked in.;)

robbiezero

NIMAN wrote: »

The press conferences are all a bit samey, aren't they?

Only livened up of late because there is a chance the Dubs might all get locked in.;)

Still doing "very concerned" and "next 2 weeks are crucial" etc?

I don't bother watching them myself.

NIMAN

Kinda given up on them too.
But might start again if Dublin get shut up, there will be uproar.

gifted

karlitob wrote: »

Not sure what the point is here.

The message is the same as these measures are the only way to control a virus: wash hands, cough etiquette, keep your distance, isolate if unwell. So you know now, this will never change for this virus or any virus, pandemic or no pandemic.

And the numbers are going up because people aren’t adhering the guidelines - for whatever reason.

Point is ....it's the same mantra all the time yet the numbers are shooting upwards .....is it time that they took a different course of action?....like change the record and actually do something or recommend something that might get the numbers down?......we all know the guidelines but it's obvious from the numbers that there is a lot of people not listening.......

karlitob

growleaves wrote: »

There's no proof of that, it's just assumed.

What?!?

The increase in any virus is due to non-adherence to Infection Prevention and Control precautions - in this instance, droplet precautions.

What you’re saying is that infection prevention and control precautions don’t work. I look forward to seeing the evidence-base you have on that.

karlitob

gifted wrote: »

Point is ....it's the same mantra all the time yet the numbers are shooting upwards .....is it time that they took a different course of action?....like change the record and actually do something or recommend something that might get the numbers down?......we all know the guidelines but it's obvious from the numbers that there is a lot of people not listening.......

I think you’re missing the difference between the message and adhering to the message. NPHET can’t make people wash their hands.

What message do you think they should offer - cough in other peoples faces, don’t wash your hands.

Saw this on twitter and lol'd

Breaking: MacSharry also called on Micheál Martin to "get the CMO off the telly. He is scaring the bejasis out of people." #iestaff

NIMAN

I think the big problem both NPHET and the Government have is that although everyone bought into the compliance at the start of all this, despite how draconian the measures had to be, many have now stopped caring.

Of course the vast majority are still following guidelines and doing their best, but there is a cohort of people who simply have gone back to normal and they won't change no matter how much NPHET moan.

Gael23

NIMAN wrote: »

Of course the vast majority are still following guidelines and doing their best, but there is a cohort of people who simply have gone back to normal and they won't change no matter how much NPHET moan.

Many are just being cautious and not buying into the doom presented by our overlords

kippy

suicide_circus wrote: »

One of the side effects of this pandemic has been to reveal a subset of our society who have an awful horn for controlling the lives of others.

meh,
replace the word "controlling" with "saving" and youd have a similiar term for the same people.

Munsterman12

Stupid people have lost interest. But that is no surprise. Once they get the virus the numbers will start to decrease because it will be hard for the virus to infect intelligent people.

Jackman25

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Stupid people have lost interest. But that is no surprise. Once they get the virus the numbers will start to decrease because it will be hard for the virus to infect intelligent people.

I'd say you should start locking yourself down so.

kippy

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Stupid people have lost interest. But that is no surprise. Once they get the virus the numbers will start to decrease because it will be hard for the virus to infect intelligent people.

To be completely honest, that is completely the wrong way of looking at it.
There are lots of people who will catch this, through no fault of their own or even without knowing how they have caught it.
The only certain way NOT to catch it is total isolation from all other humans and indeed pets, and strict sanitisation and isolation of any goods that are delivered to you.
I don't think that's feasible and neither does anyone else really.

Wallander

I'm thinking that NPHET would be better off meeting less regularly. Seems like they have a meeting every week, which is a fairly common way for groups to justify their purpose, and was surely appropriate at the start of the pandemic but arguably not so appropriate now. Case numbers are very volatile so of course they will also want to justify their purpose by reacting and coming up with a new recommendation each time, but new rules every week or two are confusing and risks undermining faith of public.

lee_baby_simms

Munsterman12 wrote: »

Stupid people have lost interest. But that is no surprise. Once they get the virus the numbers will start to decrease because it will be hard for the virus to infect intelligent people.

Dunning-Kruger effect right here.

Richard Hillman

Wallander wrote: »

I'm thinking that NPHET would be better off meeting less regularly. Seems like they have a meeting every week, which is a fairly common way for groups to justify their purpose, and was surely appropriate at the start of the pandemic but arguably not so appropriate now. Case numbers are very volatile so of course they will also want to justify their purpose by reacting and coming up with a new recommendation each time, but new rules every week or two are confusing and risks undermining faith of public.

They must be charging by the hour. Get a meeting in every day of 2 hour+. Probably about €500 per hour for their expertise.

TomTomTim

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Dunning-Kruger effect right here.

True intellectuals blindly go along with everything and question nothing according to, Munsterman12. It's honestly bizarre that a position of blind obedience is viewed as intelligent by some.

MrMusician18

gifted wrote: »

Point is ....it's the same mantra all the time yet the numbers are shooting upwards .....is it time that they took a different course of action?....like change the record and actually do something or recommend something that might get the numbers down?......we all know the guidelines but it's obvious from the numbers that there is a lot of people not listening.......

They are recommending the correct things to reduce the numbers, but people are not listening.

I don't know what you expect them to do, recommend something else that is likely not as effective as what they are recommending just because people want to listen to a different message?

The problem with facts and hard science is that it isn't equivalent to emotions and feelings. Unfortunately, the population likes this nonsense and takes feelings for facts.

MrMusician18

TomTomTim wrote: »

True intellectuals blindly go along with everything and question nothing according to, Munsterman12. It's honestly bizarre that a position of blind obedience is viewed as intelligent by some.

The ignorant are experts in everything.

It isn't blind obedience, but a simple recognition of facts. Public Health have access to data and the skills to interpret that data that the general population don't have. Intelligent people recognise the gap in their own skills and knowledge and defer to those that do.

In any case most people recognise that what public health are recommending is sensible. The real issue is that despite that recognition what they are recommending is getting in the way of what they want to do, which they consider to be more important. It's just another manifestation of selfishness.

Hellrazer

Whats ruined peoples view of NPHET is the fact that they lied blatantly to us at the start of this and are continuing to lie to us.

At the start of this they told us we`d have 100,000 deaths. We`ve had 1780.

Then they try to tell us the reason we didnt have 100,000 deaths is because of their actions and what the Irish people did to control the spread which is a complete load of b*llox.

Sweden who had little or no lockdown - 5800 deaths
The UK - late to the lockdown still only have 41,000 with more than 10 times our population.

There was no way that Ireland was going to have 100,000 deaths even if we went the way of Sweden with zero lock downs.

Yet here we are 6 months later with very little deaths in the last month and they are still giving out bad advice to the population.
Cases are at a reasonable level compared to some other countries and are manageable.

Id have a lot more respect for them if they just told the truth. I actually think Donnelly , Martin and Glynn want to destroy the country and the economy.

kippy

Hellrazer wrote: »

Whats ruined peoples view of NPHET is the fact that they lied blatantly to us at the start of this and are continuing to lie to us.

At the start of this they told us we`d have 100,000 deaths. We`ve had 1780.

Then they try to tell us the reason we didnt have 100,000 deaths is because of their actions and what the Irish people did to control the spread which is a complete load of b*llox.

Sweden who had little or no lockdown - 5800 deaths
The UK - late to the lockdown still only have 41,000 with more than 10 times our population.

There was no way that Ireland was going to have 100,000 deaths even if we went the way of Sweden with zero lock downs.

Yet here we are 6 months later with very little deaths in the last month and they are still giving out bad advice to the population.
Cases are at a reasonable level compared to some other countries and are manageable.

Id have a lot more respect for them if they just told the truth. I actually think Donnelly , Martin and Glynn want to destroy the country and the economy.

Sweden had restrictions. People followed the advice that was given. Even if the restrictions weren't as strong as our own. There isnt one nation on earth that didnt change how it did things or advised its citizens.
Without any intervention only an idiot would suggest that things would be the same as they are now.

We have approximately 700K people over 65 in the country. Knowing what we do about the effect of the virus on this cohort, you dont think we'd have major issues were it allowed to run free? We have many thousands in nursing homes and at high risk. You don't think they would have been in bother without intervention?

Double O Seven

kippy wrote: »

Sweden had restrictions. People followed the advice that was given. Even if the restrictions weren't as strong as our own. There isnt one nation on earth that didnt change how it did things or advised its citizens

Sweden had feck all restrictions except high school and colleges went online only and bars + restaurants went table service only & what about Belarus? They should all be dropping like flies according to NEHET, Neil Ferguson etc.