PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

1641

So Ireland gets a minor Commission post and loses the senior and influential Trade portfolio.

Still, at least we go rid of Hogan. Didn't we do well ?

Donald Trump

1641 wrote: »

So Ireland gets a minor Commission post and loses the senior and influential Trade portfolio.

Still, at least we go rid of Hogan. Didn't we do well ?

Well Financial stability would be an important portfolio too.


It just so happens that at this point in time, Brexit is looming large from an Irish perspective and it would have suited us to have a strong voice there that understands the Irish issues. The Commissioners represent the whole EU but if someone doesn't have a full grasp of one issue, they might not support it as well. For a non-Irish politicians they might care more about cars and wine flowing to the UK than the impact of putting up a border between north and south here.

Sir Oxman

At this stage, every single issue involving Ireland and the border issue and impact on Ireland nevermind the EU's single market as a whole is known which has been driven by Ireland (the permmanent govt and last and current govt).
People forget the huge Irish diplomatic & staff presence in Brussels.
The final decision on anything is held by the Council and just one dissenter (eg Ireland) can scupper anything deliterious to this nation re-Brexit.

touts

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well Financial stability would be an important portfolio too.


It just so happens that at this point in time, Brexit is looming large from an Irish perspective and it would have suited us to have a strong voice there that understands the Irish issues. The Commissioners represent the whole EU but if someone doesn't have a full grasp of one issue, they might not support it as well. For a non-Irish politicians they might care more about cars and wine flowing to the UK than the impact of putting up a border between north and south here.

Not really. They took the key function of representing the commission at the Eurogroup away from her and gave it to a commissioner they had faith in. Basically she has been left with a largely administrative low rank role.

Muahahaha

1641 wrote: »

So Ireland gets a minor Commission post and loses the senior and influential Trade portfolio.

Still, at least we go rid of Hogan. Didn't we do well ?

Hogan got rid of himself, no one forced him to break lockdown regulations, no one forced him to use a mobile while driving and no one forced him to tell lies to his boss across no less than nine public statements that were supposed to draw a line under the matter. This is all on Phil, nobody else.

Donald Trump

touts wrote: »

Not really. They took the key function of representing the commission at the Eurogroup away from her and gave it to a commissioner they had faith in. Basically she has been left with a largely administrative low rank role.

They didn't take anything away from her. I think you might not understand how it works.

Psychiatric Patrick

Muahahaha wrote: »

Hogan got rid of himself, no one forced him to break lockdown regulations, no one forced him to use a mobile while driving and no one forced him to tell lies to his boss across no less than nine public statements that were supposed to draw a line under the matter. This is all on Phil, nobody else.

I really don't understand why people keep saying "Ireland lost the Trade portfolio".

Doesn't the post of Commissioner mean you work for the EU, not your native country?

And if a Commissioner uses the position for the benefit of his/her country, isn't that corruption?

wrangler

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I really don't understand why people keep saying "Ireland lost the Trade portfolio".

Doesn't the post of Commissioner mean you work for the EU, not your native country?

And if a Commissioner uses the position for the benefit of his/her country, isn't that corruption?

That sounds like another organisation that's trying to close the factories, you need to overlook some things to stay in business.
I'm sure hogan was always available to meet the Irish, --

Psychiatric Patrick

wrangler wrote: »

That sounds like another organisation that's trying to close the factories, you need to overlook some things to stay in business.
I'm sure hogan was always available to meet the Irish, --

I do not understand the first part.

wrangler

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I do not understand the first part.

Sorry I thought I was on Farming and Forestry forum.
Phil Hogan shouldn't have done what he done but he didn't do anyone any harm either, he didn't murder anyone.
Having him where he was , was an advantage, he was always approachable, so what if he broke a few unimportant rules.
In farming at the moment we have a few craw thumping farmers trying to close meat factories in spite of needing them to process close on 40000 cattle every week otherwise there would be farmers broke, not only that but they are telling beef processors to pay their workers more, they haven't the wit to realise that to pay the workers more they have to pay the farmers less.
The message I was trying to get across was you have to ignore the small infringements to let big things run smoothly

Muahahaha

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I really don't understand why people keep saying "Ireland lost the Trade portfolio".

Doesn't the post of Commissioner mean you work for the EU, not your native country?

And if a Commissioner uses the position for the benefit of his/her country, isn't that corruption?

Yes, Mairead McGuinnes has to take an oath of allegiance to the EU and it is them who she represents, not the Irish govt. In fact Tony Connolly on RTE just said as Commissioner there are several issues within the EU that she will be going head to head with the Irish govt on. Thats what the job is, to represent the EU block as a whole, not your own country.

Donald Trump

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yes, Mairead McGuinnes has to take an oath of allegiance to the EU and it is them who she represents, not the Irish govt. In fact Tony Connolly on RTE just said as Commissioner there are several issues within the EU that she will be going head to head with the Irish govt on. Thats what the job is, to represent the EU block as a whole, not your own country.

Of course. We all know that. The advantage of having an Irish person in charge is that they will fully understand the issues from an Irish perspective right off.



The Latvian guy might be fine. But it could also be the case that even if he genuinely does his best, he might not fully grasp some of the issues from an Irish perspective (or at least not grasp them right away.). And don't forget that he will be listening to 25-odd other voices as well telling him their own concerns and priorities.

wrangler

Donald Trump wrote: »

Of course. We all know that. The advantage of having an Irish person in charge is that they will fully understand the issues from an Irish perspective right off.



The Latvian guy might be fine. But it could also be the case that even if he genuinely does his best, he might not fully grasp some of the issues from an Irish perspective (or at least not grasp them right away.). And don't forget that he will be listening to 25-odd other voices as well telling him their own concerns and priorities.

Mercusor only let in something like the equivalent 1% of EU beef consumption with lots of rules,
they couldn't have done much better. some Irish industries will benefit, probably not a lot

kerry cow

phil can join bertie and charlie , in birds of a feather .
from charlie ,the public need to tighten their belts while he wore expensive french shirt and helicopter rides , to bertie , I won the money on a horse bet , to phil enjoying the high life golfing in adare manor and with the judges and high folk in galway .
what a bunch of waisters

Donald Trump

wrangler wrote: »

Mercusor only let in something like the equivalent 1% of EU beef consumption with lots of rules,
they couldn't have done much better. some Irish industries will benefit, probably not a lot

Well I was thinking more along the lines of Brexit negotiations.


For Mercosur - the French farmers will always have more power than the Irish anyway.

wrangler

kerry cow wrote: »

phil can joint bertie and charlie , in birds of a feather .
from charlie ,the public need to tighten their belts while he wore expensive french shirt and helicopter rides , to bertie , I won the money on a horse bet , to phil enjoying the high life golfing in adare manor and with the judges and high folk in galway .
what a bunch of wankrrs.

And the lies about the childrens hospital, and even our hero Tony Holohan isn't squeaky clean, the guards, church child abuse by 100000+, Let he who is without sin etc etc
I tell you Phil would be among comrades no matter where in Ireland he went.
At least we still have our virtue......... my foot

wrangler

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well I was thinking more along the lines of Brexit negotiations.


For Mercosur - the French farmers will always have more power than the Irish anyway.

They seem to be a lot more regulated than we are though

Psychiatric Patrick

wrangler wrote: »

Sorry I thought I was on Farming and Forestry forum.
Phil Hogan shouldn't have done what he done but he didn't do anyone any harm either, he didn't murder anyone.
Having him where he was , was an advantage, he was always approachable, so what if he broke a few unimportant rules.
In farming at the moment we have a few craw thumping farmers trying to close meat factories in spite of needing them to process close on 40000 cattle every week otherwise there would be farmers broke, not only that but they are telling beef processors to pay their workers more, they haven't the wit to realise that to pay the workers more they have to pay the farmers less.
The message I was trying to get across was you have to ignore the small infringements to let big things run smoothly

Small infringements?

How many elderly people were cut off from family during the lockdown? Any idea what that was like for people who for their grandchildren? How many families are in financial trouble because they obeyed the rules?

Will you tell a friend that it is only "a small infringement" when some buffoon kills their loved one because he was paying attention to the driving? If Hogan is too stupid to know how to work bluetooth then he doesn't possess the ability to drive with split concentration.

The "big things" will work just fine with some else.

And has been pointed out it was violating Covid restrictions or breaking our traffic laws, it was repeated lying to his boss when asked to explain himself.

Hawthorn Tree

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yes, Mairead McGuinnes has to take an oath of allegiance to the EU and it is them who she represents, not the Irish govt. In fact Tony Connolly on RTE just said as Commissioner there are several issues within the EU that she will be going head to head with the Irish govt on. Thats what the job is, to represent the EU block as a whole, not your own country.

My guess is that McGuinness will do a lot more work than Phil and much less golf.

Interesting to see Hogan getting kicked out of the Fine Gael party. I bet he ruffled a few feathers when he told them he wasn't resigning.

Psychiatric Patrick

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Small infringements?

How many elderly people were cut off from family during the lockdown? Any idea what that was like for people who for their grandchildren? How many families are in financial trouble because they obeyed the rules?

Will you tell a friend that it is only "a small infringement" when some buffoon kills their loved one because he was paying attention to the driving? If Hogan is too stupid to know how to work bluetooth then he doesn't possess the ability to drive with split concentration.

The "big things" will work just fine with some else.

And has been pointed out it was violating Covid restrictions or breaking our traffic laws, it was repeated lying to his boss when asked to explain himself.

Time you got over this - your anger is a bit alarming at this stage - you got your reward, Phil Hogan resigned.

I lost my job recently due to Covid, I didn't see my elderly mother once in her nursing home, both my kids live abroad and I live alone, so I did the entire lockdown on my own. But I still dont think Phil Hogan should have been forced to resign. People will always suffer disproportionately in life. We can't all suffer through Covid equally, although its still pretty rough.
I do not think Phil Hogan should have gone, it was an over reaction by a Government who were losing public support. Because they asked Phil Hogan to consider his position, Ursula van der Leyden had no choice but to take it seriously. But be under no illusion this was driven by the Irish people and the Irish media who were on a relentless witch-hunt .
Likewise 2 weeks previously when they demanded the head of Michael Cawley probably the best Chairman of Failte Ireland this country has ever had. We have a huge issue with begrudgery in this country. We like dragging people down, its a deep insecurity towards those who do well in life.
Its not like we have a deep pool of talent in which to keep pulling these CEO's and prospective Government ministers from!

There SHOULD be exemptions for MEPS and European heads of state who have to travel a lot. In all honesty who here would quarantine for 14 days if they held the position of EU Commissioner for Trade? Who here did not break restrictions at some stage? "Let him without sin..............."

I'm delighted Mairead got the job, but we have lost out.

The Belly

Deleted User wrote: »

Time you got over this - your anger is a bit alarming at this stage - you got your reward, Phil Hogan resigned.

I lost my job recently due to Covid, I didn't see my elderly mother once in her nursing home, both my kids live abroad and I live alone, so I did the entire lockdown on my own. But I still dont think Phil Hogan should have been forced to resign. People will always suffer disproportionately in life. We can't all suffer through Covid equally, although its still pretty rough.
I do not think Phil Hogan should have gone, it was an over reaction by a Government who were losing public support. Because they asked Phil Hogan to consider his position, Ursula van der Leyden had no choice but to take it seriously. But be under no illusion this was driven by the Irish people and the Irish media who were on a relentless witch-hunt .
Likewise 2 weeks previously when they demanded the head of Michael Cawley probably the best Chairman of Failte Ireland this country has ever had. We have a huge issue with begrudgery in this country. We like dragging people down, its a deep insecurity towards those who do well in life.
Its not like we have a deep pool of talent in which to keep pulling these CEO's and prospective Government ministers from!

There SHOULD be exemptions for MEPS and European heads of state who have to travel a lot. In all honesty who here would quarantine for 14 days if they held the position of EU Commissioner for Trade? Who here did not break restrictions at some stage? "Let him without sin..............."

I'm delighted Mairead got the job, but we have lost out.

Dont agree. If you are to lead or be in a position of power you lead by example. It has nothing to do with Irish begrudgery.

wrangler

The Belly wrote: »

Dont agree. If you are to lead or be in a position of power you lead by example. It has nothing to do with Irish begrudgery.

If everyone was as good as the holier than thou critics there'd be no virus.
There's thousands, nay hundreds of thousands, not bothered. no masks, distancing, nothing. then they abuse from behind a keyboard.
Some that think they can run the country really couldn't run a pub crawl

The Belly

wrangler wrote: »

If everyone was as good as the holier than thou critics there'd be no virus.
There's thousands, nay hundreds of thousands, not bothered. no masks, distancing, nothing. then they abuse from behind a keyboard.
Some that think they can run the country really couldn't run a pub crawl

We are all entitled to our opinion.

Psychiatric Patrick

Deleted User wrote: »

Time you got over this - your anger is a bit alarming at this stage - you got your reward, Phil Hogan resigned.

I lost my job recently due to Covid, I didn't see my elderly mother once in her nursing home, both my kids live abroad and I live alone, so I did the entire lockdown on my own. But I still dont think Phil Hogan should have been forced to resign. People will always suffer disproportionately in life. We can't all suffer through Covid equally, although its still pretty rough.
I do not think Phil Hogan should have gone, it was an over reaction by a Government who were losing public support. Because they asked Phil Hogan to consider his position, Ursula van der Leyden had no choice but to take it seriously. But be under no illusion this was driven by the Irish people and the Irish media who were on a relentless witch-hunt .
Likewise 2 weeks previously when they demanded the head of Michael Cawley probably the best Chairman of Failte Ireland this country has ever had. We have a huge issue with begrudgery in this country. We like dragging people down, its a deep insecurity towards those who do well in life.
Its not like we have a deep pool of talent in which to keep pulling these CEO's and prospective Government ministers from!

There SHOULD be exemptions for MEPS and European heads of state who have to travel a lot. In all honesty who here would quarantine for 14 days if they held the position of EU Commissioner for Trade? Who here did not break restrictions at some stage? "Let him without sin..............."

I'm delighted Mairead got the job, but we have lost out.

What do you mean my "anger is alarming at this stage"? I can be as angry about this as I want.

"Got my reward"? Beegrudgery? Wow. Get over yourself.

How has Ireland lost out? He is not allowed to favour Ireland in anything so it makes zero difference who is in the job.

Cawley clearly was not the best. If he was he wouldn't have made such an idiotic decision.

Exemptions? Do you not know what a virus is? Do you think there are people who cannot catch and spread Covid because of whether are?

Do you think Hogan would give too fiddlers about you?

I didn't break the restrictions. My parents didn't. I have a sister and aunt who didn't. Plenty of neighbours too.

Just because you couldn't do do don't think others are as lacking as yourself

Psychiatric Patrick

wrangler wrote: »

If everyone was as good as the holier than thou critics there'd be no virus.
There's thousands, nay hundreds of thousands, not bothered. no masks, distancing, nothing. then they abuse from behind a keyboard.
Some that think they can run the country really couldn't run a pub crawl

Like yourself you mean.

You were not able for the restrictions but but assume others have your lack of ability

Psychiatric Patrick

The Belly wrote: »

Dont agree. If you are to lead or be in a position of power you lead by example. It has nothing to do with Irish begrudgery.

The claims of begrudery are heavily dosed with irony

wrangler

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Like yourself you mean.

You wee able for the restrictions but but assume others have your lack of ability

I don't abuse anyone, I'd be gone long ago If I did, there's people on here out to get me :rolleyes:

ChikiChiki

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Time you got over this - your anger is a bit alarming at this stage - you got your reward, Phil Hogan resigned.

I lost my job recently due to Covid, I didn't see my elderly mother once in her nursing home, both my kids live abroad and I live alone, so I did the entire lockdown on my own. But I still dont think Phil Hogan should have been forced to resign. People will always suffer disproportionately in life. We can't all suffer through Covid equally, although its still pretty rough.
I do not think Phil Hogan should have gone, it was an over reaction by a Government who were losing public support. Because they asked Phil Hogan to consider his position, Ursula van der Leyden had no choice but to take it seriously. But be under no illusion this was driven by the Irish people and the Irish media who were on a relentless witch-hunt .
Likewise 2 weeks previously when they demanded the head of Michael Cawley probably the best Chairman of Failte Ireland this country has ever had. We have a huge issue with begrudgery in this country. We like dragging people down, its a deep insecurity towards those who do well in life.
Its not like we have a deep pool of talent in which to keep pulling these CEO's and prospective Government ministers from!

There SHOULD be exemptions for MEPS and European heads of state who have to travel a lot. In all honesty who here would quarantine for 14 days if they held the position of EU Commissioner for Trade? Who here did not break restrictions at some stage? "Let him without sin..............."

I'm delighted Mairead got the job, but we have lost out.

Cop out. Bet you're a real walkover.

ChikiChiki

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Cop out. Bet you're a real walkover.

Based on what .....is that really your best argument? We are all entitled to our opinion , that’s what Boards is about , but at least make an effort to debate your point.

Psychiatric Patrick

wrangler wrote: »

I don't abuse anyone, I'd be gone long ago If I did, there's people on here out to get me :rolleyes:

Paranoia and delusion of grandeur