PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

fly_agaric · 04-09-2020 1:04pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Doesn't matter. Are visitors not subject to the same rule of the road as citizens?

Oh they should be IMO, whether they are tourists, foreigners working/living here temporarily, diplomats, or EU Commissioners. However practical matters do come into play in enforcing the law.

Psychiatric Patrick · 04-09-2020 1:11pm

fly_agaric wrote: »

Oh they should be IMO, whether they are tourists, foreigners working/living here temporarily, diplomats, or EU Commissioners. However practical matters do come into play in enforcing the law.

Are tourists not punished for breaking the law here?

04-09-2020 1:12pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Harris seems like guy who wouldn't tolerate his people showing discretion for something like this.

Drew Harris has a moral compass. Thank heavens

Psychiatric Patrick · 04-09-2020 1:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Drew Harris has a moral compass. Thank heavens

Yes and I'm surprised disruption on traffic offences wasn't killed of long ago.

Can he not just order an end to it?

jm08 · 04-09-2020 1:16pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are tourists not punished for breaking the law here?

How do you punish them. Get them extradited back to Ireland to face charges. Penalty points on a foreign licence is meaningless. Isn't there even a huge problem with cars from NI not paying tolls?

jm08 · 04-09-2020 1:20pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Harris seems like guy who wouldn't tolerate his people showing discretion for something like this.

You mean not trust his own police? He was a member of a police force that was disbanded because it was completely distrusted by about half the population of NI. Be very careful for what you wish for.

jm08 · 04-09-2020 1:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Drew Harris has a moral compass. Thank heavens

He worked for (and could still be!) MI5. Lets not confer honours on him that we haven't a clue about. By informing the Gov. he was covering his ass (and I don't blame him for that).

fly_agaric · 04-09-2020 1:34pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are tourists not punished for breaking the law here?

As per jm08's reply my thought was the main punishment (for this offense) of the penalty points doesn't really mean anything if the driving licence you are using is not Irish and you are not driving your own car (edit: and leaving the country soon in specific case of a tourist). I didn't know there was EUR60 spot fine though.

04-09-2020 1:35pm

jm08 wrote: »

He worked for (and could still be!) MI5. Lets not confer honours on him that we haven't a clue about. By informing the Gov. he was covering his ass (and I don't blame him for that).

Box, if you don’t mind

Psychiatric Patrick · 04-09-2020 2:23pm

jm08 wrote: »

How do you punish them. Get them extradited back to Ireland to face charges. Penalty points on a foreign licence is meaningless. Isn't there even a huge problem with cars from NI not paying tolls?

On the spot fines. Large ones.

One way to do it.

Psychiatric Patrick · 04-09-2020 2:26pm

jm08 wrote: »

You mean not trust his own police? He was a member of a police force that was disbanded because it was completely distrusted by about half the population of NI. Be very careful for what you wish for.

Your comment makes zero sense.

I never said anything about trust or expressed a wishing of any kind.

stockshares · 04-09-2020 2:26pm

Andrew McDowell and Mairead McGuinness to replace Phil Hogan

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mairead-mcguinness-and-andrew-mcdowell-to-be-put-forward-as-nominees-to-replace-phil-hogan-as-irelands-european-commissioner-39503536.html

McGuinnesses replacements if she takes it.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1301865296202956803?s=19

Psychiatric Patrick · 04-09-2020 2:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Box, if you don’t mind

What do you mean?

04-09-2020 3:19pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

What do you mean?

Their address was PO Box 500, London. Hence were, and still are, referred to by some as “Box”.

Muahahaha · 04-09-2020 3:39pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Harris seems like guy who wouldn't tolerate his people showing discretion for something like this.

He seems so but why doesnt he just come out and say that the law is clear on driving with a phone and finally give up this charade of Garda discretion. Not for the first time we have a politician getting off a road traffic offense because they benefited from this magical discretion.

As said before unless Hogan was on the phone to 999 there is no good reason for him being on the phone whilst driving his car. A blueooth kit is 20 euro if its not already built into the dashboard. The time for excuses on this stuff is long gone and Harris should be making that clear to all Gardai and citizens. The RSA ads make it clear but it seems the Gardai are still not on the same page here.

jm08 · 04-09-2020 5:41pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

He seems so but why doesnt he just come out and say that the law is clear on driving with a phone and finally give up this charade of Garda discretion. Not for the first time we have a politician getting off a road traffic offense because they benefited from this magical discretion.

As said before unless Hogan was on the phone to 999 there is no good reason for him being on the phone whilst driving his car. A blueooth kit is 20 euro if its not already built into the dashboard. The time for excuses on this stuff is long gone and Harris should be making that clear to all Gardai and citizens. The RSA ads make it clear but it seems the Gardai are still not on the same page here.

So, what happens if someone like Richard Neal (the very influential Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee of US Congress) was over visiting his relatives. Would you stick him with a fine, bearing in mind he has a big say in US trade agreements and he actually is a politician in a different jurisdiction?

I personally would prefer if the Gardai had some discretion on how they dealt with people visiting the country and not have him telling his story which he tells about frequently about the British Army searching the bus (full of US Congress Reps) when crossing from Donegal into NI.

Beechwoodspark · 04-09-2020 5:44pm

Poor aul simple Simon

Overlooked again

wrangler · 04-09-2020 5:47pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Poor aul simple Simon

Overlooked again

He wasn't overlooked, He said he didn't want it

Beechwoodspark · 04-09-2020 6:08pm

wrangler wrote: »

He wasn't overlooked, He said he didn't want it

What I mean is his ego got in his way and he got a dreadful land - not for the first time

Who the fcuk does he think he is that the EU commission would clear the way and give him a big portfolio????

He’s a nobody outside Ireland let’s be real

Even within Ireland he’s seen as a gobsh1te

ChikiChiki · 04-09-2020 6:50pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What I mean is his ego got in his way and he got a dreadful land - not for the first time

Who the fcuk does he think he is that the EU commission would clear the way and give him a big portfolio????

He’s a nobody outside Ireland let’s be real

Even within Ireland he’s seen as a gobsh1te

Thats quite a chip you have on your shoulder there. Should maybe get it looked at.

Tbf look how far Phil Hogan got in Europe having done an abysmal job domestically.

elperello · 04-09-2020 7:04pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Poor aul simple Simon

Overlooked again

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What I mean is his ego got in his way and he got a dreadful land - not for the first time

Who the fcuk does he think he is that the EU commission would clear the way and give him a big portfolio????

He’s a nobody outside Ireland let’s be real

Even within Ireland he’s seen as a gobsh1te

Rather harsh assessments.

What are they based on?

wrangler · 04-09-2020 7:07pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What I mean is his ego got in his way and he got a dreadful land - not for the first time

Who the fcuk does he think he is that the EU commission would clear the way and give him a big portfolio????

He’s a nobody outside Ireland let’s be real

Even within Ireland he’s seen as a gobsh1te

I wouldn't even bother arguing with anyone that would spout such a begrudging post

Rubberchikken · 04-09-2020 7:13pm

Why should it matter who you are? Rules are rules. They're not that difficult to understand or even to adhere to.

The assumption by some politician, irrespective of nationality, that they can get off with whatever law they've broken, is proof of their arrogance and I supposed power.

Any garda who allows anyone off just because of who they are, ia, in my eyes, as scummy as the transgressor.

What are they afraid of? Why not have the b@lls to do their job properly and be unwilling to now down to arrogant jumped-up toe rags.

wrangler · 04-09-2020 7:52pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Why should it matter who you are? Rules are rules. They're not that difficult to understand or even to adhere to.

The assumption by some politician, irrespective of nationality, that they can get off with whatever law they've broken, is proof of their arrogance and I supposed power.

Any garda who allows anyone off just because of who they are, ia, in my eyes, as scummy as the transgressor.

What are they afraid of? Why not have the b@lls to do their job properly and be unwilling to now down to arrogant jumped-up toe rags.

Ffs there's drivers on the phone every day of the week and there's drivers breaking speed limits too , and what do they get, a few points, they don't lose their job.

04-09-2020 9:53pm

wrangler wrote: »

Ffs there's drivers on the phone every day of the week and there's drivers breaking speed limits too , and what do they get, a few points, they don't lose their job.

He didn’t lose his job because he was on the phone. He lost it because he was evasive with the facts about his entire visit and had to have the truth dragged out of him. No boss would put up with that level of ducking and diving.

An Ri rua · 04-09-2020 10:28pm

Was this posted?

Ceann Comhairle putting it on the record that the Dáil, and the people, viewed the actions of the Clifden Covid 81 as 'arrogant delusion' and stupid.

https://youtu.be/leoEC8SgQTc

Great to see it.

Psychiatric Patrick · 07-09-2020 5:59pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

Was this posted?

Ceann Comhairle putting it on the record that the Dáil, and the people, viewed the actions of the Clifden Covid 81 as 'arrogant delusion' and stupid.

https://youtu.be/leoEC8SgQTc

Great to see it.

Nice one.

Where are the rest of the TDs?

Pelezico · 07-09-2020 6:05pm

Why is this thread still active?

Surely Phil cant resign twice.

Donald Trump · 08-09-2020 9:37am

McGuinnes chosen. Will get a capital markets portfolio
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0908/1163858-european-commission-vacancy/

Trade goes to Latvian Valdis Dombrovskis. As I am sure that some moaners on here will be happy that Mr. Dombrovskis will both have a greater knowledge of Ireland specific concerns over Brexit and care more about Ireland than Phil Hogan did :rolleyes:

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah sure I suppose you'll be happy for the country in the Brexit negotiations when the Irish Phil has been replaced by the French or Dutch or Greek version of Phil. I'm sure that those versions will be more worried about Ireland than the original Phil was.

You should always be careful what you wish for in case you get it!

Zebra3 wrote: »

Maybe you should have read my post.

Hogan.

Doesn't.

Give.

A.

Damn.

About.

Ireland.

Castlekeeper · 08-09-2020 10:00am

Donald Trump wrote: »

McGuinnes chosen. Will get a capital markets portfolio
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0908/1163858-european-commission-vacancy/

Trade goes to Latvian Valdis Dombrovskis. As I am sure that some moaners on here will be happy that Mr. Dombrovskis will both have a greater knowledge of Ireland specific concerns over Brexit and care more about Ireland than Phil Hogan did :rolleyes:

Yes, but he is also VP of the commision so not just given to Latvia. One would imagine that Mc Dowell being a former EIB VP would have been more suited to the Financial role than McGuinness but that's politics.
The way Brexit is going it doesn't look like it makes much difference who's trade commissioner, borders and security might be more relevant.

PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

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