The Murder of Joe Deacy

LawBoy2018

I have been following this case for some time now and I am genuinely baffled as to how there has been such little progress made by the Gardaí to this date, 3 years after Joe's death.

For anyone who's unfamiliar with the case, see the below articles:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5489531/mum-joe-deacy-three-witnesses-death-forward/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5770911/dad-gaa-joe-deacy-family-pain-anniversary-murder/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-pleads-for-end-to-three-years-of-pain-since-son-was-murdered-f2gq6krth

The abovementioned articles purport that it took the Gardaí 3 days to finally deem Joe's death a homicide, allegedly giving the 3 main suspects ample time to get their story straight and to clean up/destroy the crime scene.

How could this massive blunder by the Gardaí be explained? Is this a regular occurrence?

The local community have been putting pressure on the family in question for years, to no avail. However, pressure definitely seems to be mounting even further after an incident in Bohola recently involving Joe's uncle, Paul.

Akesh

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I have been following this case for some time now and I am genuinely baffled as to how there has been such little progress made by the Gardaí to this date, 3 years after Joe's death.

For anyone who's unfamiliar with the case, see the below articles:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5489531/mum-joe-deacy-three-witnesses-death-forward/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5770911/dad-gaa-joe-deacy-family-pain-anniversary-murder/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-pleads-for-end-to-three-years-of-pain-since-son-was-murdered-f2gq6krth

The abovementioned articles purport that it took the Gardaí 3 days to finally deem Joe's death a homicide, allegedly giving the 3 main suspects ample time to get their story straight and to clean up/destroy the crime scene.

How could this massive blunder by the Gardaí be explained? Is this a regular occurrence?

The local community have been putting pressure on the family in question for years, to no avail. However, pressure definitely seems to be mounting even further after an incident in Bohola recently involving Joe's uncle, Paul.

It's embarrassing for the Gardaí really and not surprising in rural Ireland that these kind of things are still happening. Hopefully the inquest will shed light on the incompetence here and help bring justice to Joe's family.

I hope those 3 cowards rot for withholding information. Something toxic about the locals in Swinford and Bohola.

LawBoy2018

Akesh wrote: »

It's embarrassing for the Gardaí really and not surprising in rural Ireland that these kind of things are still happening. Hopefully the inquest will shed light on the incompetence here and help bring justice to Joe's family.

I hope those 3 cowards rot for withholding information. Something toxic about the locals in Swinford and Bohola.

Do you think it was simply incompetence, or might there have been something more sinister at play, like some of the locals are claiming?

Two of the three main suspects weren't even arrested? The Gardaí sent a file to the DPP more than a year ago, yet nobody was charged? How, after 3 years, has a decision re whether or not to issue proceedings still not been made?

It must be due to a lack of evidence.

There's nothing toxic about the locals in Swinford or Bohola, they also want whomever is responsible for Joe's death to be brought to justice.

jimwallace197

Akesh wrote: »

It's embarrassing for the Gardaí really and not surprising in rural Ireland that these kind of things are still happening. Hopefully the inquest will shed light on the incompetence here and help bring justice to Joe's family.

I hope those 3 cowards rot for withholding information. Something toxic about the locals in Swinford and Bohola.

Are we really that surprised by AGS incompetence??? Really

LawBoy2018

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Are we really that surprised by AGS incompetence??? Really

To this level though? Do you believe that it was incompetence?

LawBoy2018

Joe's family are also claiming that the suspects/home owners commissioned a second 'private post mortem'. I'm aware of the fact that the Coroner doesn't need permission to carry out a post mortem if he/she suspects that the deceased died by homicide/manslaughter.

Are private post mortems even a thing in Ireland? How are they regulated? How could one be carried out without the consent of Joe's family?

Edgware

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I have been following this case for some time now and I am genuinely baffled as to how there has been such little progress made by the Gardaí to this date, 3 years after Joe's death.

For anyone who's unfamiliar with the case, see the below articles:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5489531/mum-joe-deacy-three-witnesses-death-forward/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5770911/dad-gaa-joe-deacy-family-pain-anniversary-murder/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-pleads-for-end-to-three-years-of-pain-since-son-was-murdered-f2gq6krth

The abovementioned articles purport that it took the Gardaí 3 days to finally deem Joe's death a homicide, allegedly giving the 3 main suspects ample time to get their story straight and to clean up/destroy the crime scene.

How could this massive blunder by the Gardaí be explained? Is this a regular occurrence?

The local community have been putting pressure on the family in question for years, to no avail. However, pressure definitely seems to be mounting even further after an incident in Bohola recently involving Joe's uncle, Paul.

The case should be solved in an hour like on t.v. The Sun newspaper? Noted for the skill and accuracy of its "journalists"

Coillte_Bhoy

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I have been following this case for some time now and I am genuinely baffled as to how there has been such little progress made by the Gardaí to this date, 3 years after Joe's death.

For anyone who's unfamiliar with the case, see the below articles:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5489531/mum-joe-deacy-three-witnesses-death-forward/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5770911/dad-gaa-joe-deacy-family-pain-anniversary-murder/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-pleads-for-end-to-three-years-of-pain-since-son-was-murdered-f2gq6krth

The abovementioned articles purport that it took the Gardaí 3 days to finally deem Joe's death a homicide, allegedly giving the 3 main suspects ample time to get their story straight and to clean up/destroy the crime scene.

How could this massive blunder by the Gardaí be explained? Is this a regular occurrence?

The local community have been putting pressure on the family in question for years, to no avail. However, pressure definitely seems to be mounting even further after an incident in Bohola recently involving Joe's uncle, Paul.

Whats this about? Im from around there, dont know what you are referring to tbh

LawBoy2018

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Whats this about? Im from around there, dont know what you are referring to tbh

Take a look at the second article in my OP. Joe's uncle was home recently to mark his anniversary and he ran into some fella in Bohola who told him that he was wasting his time pursuing the case + that he should call it a day.

Do you follow MS on Facebook? Have a look at her page, she posts about Joe regularly and has built up a bit of a following.

LawBoy2018

Edgware wrote: »

The case should be solved in an hour like on t.v. The Sun newspaper? Noted for the skill and accuracy of its "journalists"

There is no case, essentially. That's the problem. Taking 3 years to decide whether or not to press charges is unusual imo. The Times article is behind a paywall, hence why I linked the articles from The Sun.

Gatling

Rumor has it that the suspects are republicans

LawBoy2018

A facebook page was recently set up to raise awareness: https://www.facebook.com/justiceforjoedeacy/?ref=page_internal

I found this video particularly harrowing: https://www.facebook.com/tom.connolly.1272/videos/10157003620501841

Edgware

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

There is no case, essentially. That's the problem. Taking 3 years to decide whether or not to press charges is unusual imo. The Times article is behind a paywall, hence why I linked the articles from The Sun.

The D.P.P. can only make a decision to charge if of the opinion that there is evidence to justify the decision. The D.P.P. cant make a decision to charge to "clear the air" or because " the "dogs in the street" know who did it. There are several cases up and down the country
that remain unsolved and will do so until the evidence is there to bring the case before a court. That doesn't mean there is some great conspiracy going on. And as for any comments made to family coming from England that is just pub talk of no evidential value from a pisshead

Edgware

Gatling wrote: »

Rumor has it that the suspects are republicans

FFS!

LawBoy2018

Edgware wrote: »

The D.P.P. can only make a decision to charge if of the opinion that there is evidence to justify the decision. The D.P.P. cant make a decision to charge to "clear the air" or because " the "dogs in the street" know who did it. There are several cases up and down the country
that remain unsolved and will do so until the evidence is there to bring the case before a court. That doesn't mean there is some great conspiracy going on. And as for any comments made to family coming from England that is just pub talk of no evidential value from a pisshead

I didn't say that the DPP needs to make a charge 'to clear the air' or for whatever reason, I'm saying that it's strange that there still hasn't been a decision made as to whether or not the DPP will actually issue proceedings after 3 years. If there's insufficient evidence, which is obviously the case, why has it taken more than 3 years for the coroner to hold an inquest?

I never said that what happened in Bohola recently had any evidential value, I said that it seems to have made the family more determined to exhaust all possible avenues.

AllForIt

Thanks for bringing this up OP, and was thinking of opening a thread on it myself. I live 20 miles from Swinford. Cycled up there a couple of times and I find it a rather grim place. Even midday on the high street it is a bit of a ghost town. It's actually a nice open town with unusually wide town centre roads - but there's no one there. A lot of empty/ shut down shops.

And I think that's one of the problems here. There's hardly anyone about so no witnesses to any unusual activity, so hard to find a lead. If the investigators have noting to go on then what can they do?

Raising awareness about it is about all one can do.


https://westernpeople.ie/2020/06/04/family-of-mayo-murder-victim-ask-do-you-see-joe-in-your-nightmares/
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/08/06/walk-to-remember-joe-deacy-on-third-anniversary-of-his-death/

dd973

The Indo haughtily described the lad as a 'British tourist', he had roots in the area and played GAA for years in England. A British Tourist to me is some 'awrite mate' on the piss in Temple Bar at the weekend.

LawBoy2018

AllForIt wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this up OP, and was thinking of opening a thread on it myself. I live 20 miles from Swinford. Cycled up there a couple of times and I find it a rather grim place. Even midday on the high street it is a bit of a ghost town. It's actually a nice open town with unusually wide town centre roads - but there's no one there. A lot of empty/ shut down shops.

And I think that's one of the problems here. There's hardly anyone about so no witnesses to any unusual activity, so hard to find a lead. If the investigators have noting to go on then what can they do?

Raising awareness about it is about all one can do.


https://westernpeople.ie/2020/06/04/family-of-mayo-murder-victim-ask-do-you-see-joe-in-your-nightmares/
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/08/06/walk-to-remember-joe-deacy-on-third-anniversary-of-his-death/

Things are especially bleak these days due to the pandemic but I agree with you completely. I'm not actually from Swinford but I know plenty of folk from there and they're all lovely people with a great sense of community.

Because the crime scene was destroyed and key witnesses/suspects weren't arrested in time/at all, it's unlikely that any new evidence will rise to the surface, unless someone finally cracks. Three years is a long time for something like this to weigh on someone's conscience and the findings of the coroner's inquest should be interesting.

LawBoy2018

dd973 wrote: »

The Indo haughtily described the lad as a 'British tourist', he had roots in the area and played GAA for years in England. A British Tourist to me is some 'awrite mate' on the piss in Temple Bar at the weekend.

I didn't know him personally but he seemed to be anything but. His grandparents originated from Mayo and he seemed to maintain strong ties with Ireland from a young age. He had been friends with the lad who he stayed with that night for years and would have known his family very well I'd imagine.

cannotlogin

I don't understand this case at all and find it outrageous that there has been no progress. I cannot imagine how difficult that is for his family and friends.

It's not like this is a very difficult case.

The guards know he was assaulted.
They know the location.
They know the timeline.
They know there were 3 people there (min)

At a minimum surely they can charge them with perverting the course of justice or withholding information.

How can these people live with themselves? They didn't even go in the ambulance with him. Their parents know they were involved and yet do nothing.

This isn't a difficult case to solve or shouldn't have been, there's far more info than in most cases.

How on earth would the Mayo gardai manage to lose something like the Graham Dwyer or Joe O'Reilly case? This one should have been a sitting duck of they had acted quickly. It is a disgrace they way thus has been handled.

A supposed friend who won't even talking to Gardai, what an absolute bollix. I hope he is haunted for the rest of his life.

AllForIt

dd973 wrote: »

The Indo haughtily described the lad as a 'British tourist', he had roots in the area and played GAA for years in England. A British Tourist to me is some 'awrite mate' on the piss in Temple Bar at the weekend.

I think that's a case of the Indo covering a story they didn't in fact cover. They prolly read the story on opposing media publication websites and put their own slant on it.

Edgware

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I didn't say that the DPP needs to make a charge 'to clear the air' or for whatever reason, I'm saying that it's strange that there still hasn't been a decision made as to whether or not the DPP will actually issue proceedings after 3 years. If there's insufficient evidence, which is obviously the case, why has it taken more than 3 years for the coroner to hold an inquest?

I never said that what happened in Bohola recently had any evidential value, I said that it seems to have made the family more determined to exhaust all possible avenues.

In other words you really haven't a clue

AllForIt

cannotlogin wrote: »

I don't understand this case at all and find it outrageous that there has been no progress. I cannot imagine how difficult that is for his family and friends.

It's not like this is a very difficult case.

The guards know he was assaulted.
They know the location.
They know the timeline.
They know there were 3 people there (min)

At a minimum surely they can charge them with perverting the course of justice or withholding information.

How can these people live with themselves? They didn't even go in the ambulance with him. Their parents know they were involved and yet do nothing.

This isn't a difficult case to solve or shouldn't have been, there's far more info that in must cases.

How on earth would the Mayo gardai manage to lose something like the Graham Dwyer or Joe O'Reilly case? This one should have been a sitting duck of they had acted quickly. It is a disgrace they way thus has been handled.

A supposed friend who won't even talking to Gardai, what an absolute bollix. I hope he is haunted for the rest of his life.

I don't know the ins and outs of of the investigation so far, but the idea it was some random attach by some unknown person to the victim strikes me as highly unlikely, impossible even, given Swinford is a virtual ghost town. It had to be someone connected to his social group specifically the people he was socialising with on the night it happened.

Edgware

cannotlogin wrote: »

I don't understand this case at all and find it outrageous that there has been no progress. I cannot imagine how difficult that is for his family and friends.

It's not like this is a very difficult case.

The guards know he was assaulted.
They know the location.
They know the timeline.
They know there were 3 people there (min)

At a minimum surely they can charge them with perverting the course of justice or withholding information.

How can these people live with themselves? They didn't even go in the ambulance with him. Their parents know they were involved and yet do nothing.

This isn't a difficult case to solve or shouldn't have been, there's far more info that in must cases.

How on earth would the Mayo gardai manage to lose something like the Graham Dwyer or Joe O'Reilly case? This one should have been a sitting duck of they had acted quickly. It is a disgrace they way thus has been handled.

A supposed friend who won't even talking to Gardai, what an absolute bollix. I hope he is haunted for the rest of his life.

Why oh why don't the police bring in the suspects and beat a statement out of him. After all " everyone knows who did it"

Edgware

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't know the ins and outs of of the investigation so far, but the idea it was some random attach by some unknown person to the victim strikes me as highly unlikely, impossible even, given Swinford is a virtual ghost town. It had to be someone connected to his social group specifically the people he was socialising with on the night it happened.

Thanks Sherlock. We can rule out the butler

cannotlogin

Edgware wrote: »

Why oh why don't the police bring in the suspects and beat a statement out of him. After all " everyone knows who did it"

That's not what I'm saying at all.
Have you ever been to Swinford?
It's not exactly a town with loads of tourism or strangers around.
The chances of it being a random attack are so slim.
If the investigators did their job properly, investigated immediately and collected evidence, it would be a very different story.
Even the fact that no one in the house, no one he socialised with that night, went to the hospital with him, should have raised immediate suspicion.
Fully believe the gardai have let him and his family down.
How can you not believe they couldn't have done more.

LawBoy2018

Edgware wrote: »

In other words you really haven't a clue

Enlighten me then? How would you proceed? Any new information given by the witnesses during the inquest can be used as evidence if the DPP decides to press charges afterwards.

LawBoy2018

Edgware wrote: »

Why oh why don't the police bring in the suspects and beat a statement out of him. After all " everyone knows who did it"

Nobody knows who did it, but the 3 main suspects have questions to answer for sure.

There's evidence to show that Joe & his friend were awake socialising at 4am, snapchatting their friends in the UK. Joe was then found beaten to death outside the house they were staying in at 6am.

AllForIt

Edgware wrote: »

Thanks Sherlock. We can rule out the butler

You're welcome Moriarty

Treppen

Why did the Sun article say that the gardaí thought there was more than one killer?

LawBoy2018

Treppen wrote: »

Why did the Sun article say that the gardaí thought there was more than one killer?

I'm not sure! I'm going to post any further developments down the line in this thread.

dd973

I'd imagine the perpetrators of this to be absolute s**thouses, obviously never met the young fella who lost his life but it's obvious from all the pictures and press coverage of him that he seemed sound out.

Treppen

dd973 wrote: »

I'd imagine the perpetrators of this to be absolute s**thouses, obviously never met the young fella who lost his life but it's obvious from all the pictures and press coverage of him that he seemed sound out.

Dunno about perpetrators having never met him!
Not what the newspapers and Facebook video is questioning.

LawBoy2018

Treppen wrote: »

Dunno about perpetrators having never met him!
Not what the newspapers and Facebook video is questioning.

Who are you referring to as the perp? I went to school with the friend Joe stayed with and I always had great time for him, most people did tbh. His life has also been completely ruined since the night Joe died. The question is, who is he protecting? He obviously knows who did it.

Hodors Appletart

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Who are you referring to as the perp? I went to school with the friend Joe stayed with and I always had great time for him, most people did tbh. His life has also been completely ruined since the night Joe died. The question is, who is he protecting? He obviously knows who did it.

if he's protecting a killer then he deserves his suffering

coward

LawBoy2018

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

if he's protecting a killer then he deserves his suffering

coward

I agree! It's disturbing to realise how easily someone can get away with murder in Ireland. €1.79 billion spent on AGS in 2019 and all they could muster was the questioning of two suspects, 2-3 days after a young man was found beaten to death? I despair.

newuser99999

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I agree! It's disturbing to realise how easily someone can get away with murder in Ireland. €1.79 billion spent on AGS in 2019 and all they could muster was the questioning of two suspects, 2-3 days after a young man was found beaten to death? I despair.

Nothing new for guards in the area.

sasta le

Crazy case

LawBoy2018

It turns out that the DPP had already decided not to press charges:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5841974/grieving-mum-joe-deacy-pain-no-charges/

Pobby

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Who are you referring to as the perp? I went to school with the friend Joe stayed with and I always had great time for him, most people did tbh. His life has also been completely ruined since the night Joe died. The question is, who is he protecting? He obviously knows who did it.

You'd think the friend might have gone in the ambulance with Joe Deacy seeing as he had been found battered to near death outside his house.

I don't think I would have let a friend of mine go on his own in an ambulance in that situation. In fact it would have to have been exceptional circumstances to stop me going.

Muahahaha

Certainly is a bizarre case. Is it known why it took local Gardai three days to actually classify it as a murder? I mean he was beaten to death and the post mortem said he died of blunt force trauma to the head yet it took the Gardai a further 3 days to open up a murder investigation. What were the Gardai doing here, it sounds like gross incompetence to me

LawBoy2018

Muahahaha wrote: »

Certainly is a bizarre case. Is it known why it took local Gardai three days to actually classify it as a murder? I mean he was beaten to death and the post mortem said he died of blunt force trauma to the head yet it took the Gardai a further 3 days to open up a murder investigation. What were the Gardai doing here, it sounds like gross incompetence to me

There are all sorts of wild conspiracy theories being thrown around online, but it seems that the Gardaí initially thought that Joe fell down the stairs and then somehow stumbled outside.

jimwallace197

From the sounds of it, there was a female at the centre of the investigation according to the reports. I wonder did something get out of hand with all that booze and partying and someone (joe) got punched as a result of a perceived slight or drunken behaviour. Not that its acceptable in anyway at all but this is why one of the few reasons why I think the suspected parties may be staying silent because otherwise I have no doubt between 3 people, someones conscious would have gotten the better of them and they would have talked.

Local rural communities like this would have most likely heard about what happened that night too and the guy who told the uncle of Joe to leave it alone would suggest to me the local community are believing the suspects version of events.

Something along these lines is what I believed happened

LawBoy2018

jimwallace197 wrote: »

From the sounds of it, there was a female at the centre of the investigation according to the reports. I wonder did something get out of hand with all that booze and partying and someone (joe) got punched as a result of a perceived slight or drunken behaviour. Not that its acceptable in anyway at all but this is why one of the few reasons why I think the suspected parties may be staying silent because otherwise I have no doubt between 3 people, someones conscious would have gotten the better of them and they would have talked.

Local rural communities like this would have most likely heard about what happened that night too and the guy who told the uncle of Joe to leave it alone would suggest to me the local community are believing the suspects version of events.

Something along these lines is what I believed happened

A local activist seems to be very critical of the mother of the household, which has led to speculation that she's the female at the centre of the investigation, however, I have 0 idea as to who they're referring to in the articles.

99% of the local community want whoever's responsible for his murder to be brought to justice. The other 1% need their heads examined.

jimwallace197

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Muahahaha

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

There are all sorts of wild conspiracy theories being thrown around online, but it seems that the Gardaí initially thought that Joe fell down the stairs and then somehow stumbled outside.

Any ideas how they "thought" this, i.e were they told it by someone in the house at the time to throw them off the scent?

Also am I right to say that this is the case where the family put up a memorial to the victim somewhere locally and it got vandalised?

Edgware

Muahahaha wrote: »

Certainly is a bizarre case. Is it known why it took local Gardai three days to actually classify it as a murder? I mean he was beaten to death and the post mortem said he died of blunt force trauma to the head yet it took the Gardai a further 3 days to open up a murder investigation. What were the Gardai doing here, it sounds like gross incompetence to me

The Garda take their lead from the State Pathologists report on the incident. Garda Murphy just doesnt arrive on and say "Inspector Taggart theres been a murder"
Of course if they had the expertise of the pissheads and village idiots on Boards they might have a different approach and just round up the usual suspects on the old "no smoke without fire" standard of proof

LawBoy2018

Muahahaha wrote: »

Any ideas how they "thought" this, i.e were they told it by someone in the house at the time to throw them off the scent?

Also am I right to say that this is the case where the family put up a memorial to the victim somewhere locally and it got vandalised?

I have no idea! Maybe it was the findings of the doctors who were tending to Joe's injuries who raised their suspicions with the Gardaí?

Yes, Joe's family erect a memorial every year on the anniversary of Joe's death outside the house where he was found dead. In 2018, they also set up a sort of shrine in the locality that was destroyed during the night.

https://www.joe.ie/news/joseph-deacy-county-mayo-memorial-vandalised-637110

They tried to erect a more permanent memorial but the County Council weren't happy and it was subsequently taken down, as far as I know.

LawBoy2018

Edgware wrote: »

The Garda take their lead from the State Pathologists report on the incident. Garda Murphy just doesnt arrive on and say "Inspector Taggart theres been a murder"
Of course if they had the expertise of the pissheads and village idiots on Boards they might have a different approach and just round up the usual suspects on the old "no smoke without fire" standard of proof

There's no need to be so rude? Why get involved in the discussion if only to fling insults at people?

Beechwoodspark

Looking at it from afar and with no connection to swinford it appears bizarre that progress hasn’t been made on this case.

Whestsidestory

Comments saying Swinford are is a ghost town with nobody around to witness anything are ridiculous. The house is in the countryside and all the people involved were socialising in the nearby town of Kiltimagh, where I'm pretty sure the household children attended school.So if there is a cover up its probably concerning the family and a small number of people, but it's hardly like the entire town of Swinford is closing ranks