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Lions Tour

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    #392
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,038 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    The ones living in the UK will possibly have been vaccinated by then anyway as part of their roll out.

    Easily I would say, I know several people who already got the call.


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    #393
    hahashake
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭hahashake


    I'm surprised but pleased. A UK (and possibly Ireland) "tour" is not a proper Lions tour.

    Doubt they'll even have home spectators but there is no guarantee for any in the UK either.


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    #394
    PTH2009
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    Wasant expecting it to stay in place in South Africa but no doubt the squad/management/staff etc will be protected to the gills.

    Looking forward to it esp with the good time difference


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    #395
    AdamD
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Wasant expecting it to stay in place in South Africa but no doubt the squad/management/staff etc will be protected to the gills.

    Looking forward to it esp with the good time difference

    Wouldn't be surprised if players take themselves out of contention. Its a very long bubble to be in, especially when restrictions are likely to be lifted in their home countries.


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    #396
    awec
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    AdamD wrote: »
    Wouldn't be surprised if players take themselves out of contention. Its a very long bubble to be in, especially when restrictions are likely to be lifted in their home countries.

    They get paid a fortune for being selected!


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    #397
    Squidgy Black
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    awec wrote: »
    They get paid a fortune for being selected!

    I can see the likes of Joe Marler turning down a call up though, considering he walked away from international rugby previously due to not being able to spend time with family


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    #398
    bilston
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    I don't think it would be a very enjoyable tour for the players at all. They will be stuck in their bubble for 6 or 7 weeks.


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    #399
    Buer
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    Boscoirl wrote: »
    The UK based players would be vaccinated by then anyway I would imagine, no harm to let them vaccinate our players too for us, save a few doses for use here

    Surely Sexton is due to be vaccinated this month anyway?


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    #400
    MisterAnarchy
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    It's official now. They tour is to go ahead as per the original schedule. https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/03/23/lions-rugby-2021-tour-update

    They are off their rocker.
    There will be no spectators at any of those games.
    No point in playing it behind closed doors.


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    #401
    Sheep Shagger
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    They are off their rocker.
    There will be no spectators at any of those games.
    No point in playing it behind closed doors.

    Playing behind closed doors means they can meet commercial obligations though. Its a business at the end of the day and that means more than postponing in the hope supporters can be accommodated.


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    #402
    awec
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    They are off their rocker.
    There will be no spectators at any of those games.
    No point in playing it behind closed doors.

    They'll take a hit not being able to sell tickets and the wider economy won't get the boost from the incoming tourists, but I believe a big chunk of the income comes via sponsorship and then you have tv rights, so they must think they can still make it profitable.


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    #403
    kildare lad
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    They are off their rocker.
    There will be no spectators at any of those games.
    No point in playing it behind closed doors.

    Didn't australia offer to host it with fans and give the gate money to south africa . It won't be much good to SA if fans can't go and pump millions into their economy.


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    #404
    pickarooney
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    This is hopefully the lowest point ever for the Lions.


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    #405
    Former Former Former
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    This is hopefully the lowest point ever for the Lions.

    Lower even than calling up John Hayes? Jesus.


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    #406
    OldRio
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    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Playing behind closed doors means they can meet commercial obligations though. Its a business at the end of the day and that means more than postponing in the hope supporters can be accommodated.

    Unfortunately it became just a money making exercise a good few years ago.
    Nothing to do with Rugby just a cash grab.


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    #407
    Louis Friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Louis Friend


    Former Former Former wrote: »
    Lower even than calling up John Hayes? Jesus.

    Tyrone Howe says “take my coat”


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    #408
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    Louis Friend wrote: »
    Tyrone Howe says “take my coat”

    Tom Court days "hold my beer"


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    #409
    dub_skav
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    Shane Williams says hold my headset.


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    #410
    Billy Ocean
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Is Itoje nailed on for a place?
    He is on everyones list, but with 12 penalties to his name, at what point is he a liability?
    Fair point, the Saracens situation and lack of match sharpness a concern too, suppose its based on alot of credit in the bank for Itoje along with necessity of physicality against the springboks.


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    #411
    redmca2
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    Tyrone Howe says “take my coat”


    No offense to Tyrone Howe who was a good player but his call up was at the expense of Denis Hickie, who was a far better winger, and for that reason it was a travesty


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    #412
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,038 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Billy Ocean wrote: »
    Fair point, the Saracens situation and lack of match sharpness a concern too, suppose its based on alot of credit in the bank for Itoje along with necessity of physicality against the springboks.

    Especially when the lads can kick penalties from 60M...


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    #413
    hahashake
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    The 6N got much better viewing as time went on despite no crowds, mainly due to the quality gradually increasing. Hopefully we can say the same for the Lions - the SA boys will be mostly very rusty. All I hope is that the last game is not a dead rubber.

    Which makes me think, presumably they will go back to the 3 game format?


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    #414
    Lucas44
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Especially when the lads can kick penalties from 60M...

    Itoje is the best forward in the northern hemisphere by a long shot, a few subpar performances don’t change that. Bailed on starter at 5 or 6, will be in the leadership group of the tour


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    #415
    bayern
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    Itoje will travel.. but if he remains a pen machine he can't be guaranteed a starting spot.


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    #416
    The Inbetween is mine
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    Sports bodies is SA are petitioning the government to allow 50% crowds at upcoming sporting events over the summer.....
    Could lead to up to 47,000 fans at the first Lion's test if approved


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    #417
    GreeBo
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Itoje is the best forward in the northern hemisphere by a long shot, a few subpar performances don’t change that. Bailed on starter at 5 or 6, will be in the leadership group of the tour

    He has to play pretty well to offset nearly 3 a game he averaged in the six nations!
    Stick Mako in with him and thats a lot of potential points you have to make up.

    I dont think anyone is arguing that he is an excellent player, but its a side of his game he needs to address. he lived on the line long enough and now is getting pinged for it, it remains to be seen if he can still produce the great performances if he is actually reffed, so far I would say the jury is still out?


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    #418
    sydthebeat
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Itoje is the best forward in the northern hemisphere by a long shot, a few subpar performances don’t change that. Bailed on starter at 5 or 6, will be in the leadership group of the tour

    i think a lot of his below par performances is down to rustiness... same as most of the sarries based players.

    hes a guy who lives on the edge and is a complete pain at the breakdown

    I was delighted to see him get pinged for an offside on a box kick chase down against us... but thats prime example of the rustiness in his game this season.

    the one player who may find himself completely out of the english panel for giving away mindlessly stupid penalties is Jonny Hill.


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    #419
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    GreeBo wrote: »
    He has to play pretty well to offset nearly 3 a game he averaged in the six nations!
    Stick Mako in with him and thats a lot of potential points you have to make up.

    I dont think anyone is arguing that he is an excellent player, but its a side of his game he needs to address. he lived on the line long enough and now is getting pinged for it, it remains to be seen if he can still produce the great performances if he is actually reffed, so far I would say the jury is still out?

    IItoje plays the ref much as the other team similarly to mccaw. Some refs are more lenient than others.: For me itoje is at a level that no other second row can get to, he shuts down teams attack almost by himself alone & terrorises scrum halves. If you were to tell me he’ll give away 3 penalties a game I’d frankly take it for what comes with it. Imo it will be awj Ryan & itoje at 6 or awj itoje with Beirne/lawes at 6


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    #420
    jacothelad
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    IItoje plays the ref much as the other team similarly to mccaw. Some refs are more liniment than others.:


    Yes, you can rub them up the wrong way....:D


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    #421
    GreeBo
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    IItoje plays the ref much as the other team similarly to mccaw. Some refs are more liniment than others.: For me itoje is at a level that no other second row can get to, he shuts down teams attack almost by himself alone & terrorises scrum halves. If you were to tell me he’ll give away 3 penalties a game I’d frankly take it for what comes with it. Imo it will be awj Ryan & itoje at 6 or awj itoje with Beirne/lawes at 6

    oh I agree, he is great at disrupting the breakdown, but he's no Earls either :P


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