Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

TinyMuffin

This boxer. AKA Mr Fluffy Pants.

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121925347#Comment_121925347

You could do with some of that Ken Griffey Jr medicine, might help out your swollen brain

septictank

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121928079#Comment_121928079

No still alive, few people involved in the ownership, banks and leases and the like but the main man is still around Dublin 15.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121904178#Comment_121904178

Ok, I'm just puzzled why they'd use it when there are safer, cheaper ingredients to choose from. I did a quick search, it said rat poison is "potentially" fatal to humans. You'd have to take an excessive amount to kill you. It depends on your weight, genetics etc. I think the important point from Larry's quote was that heroin wouldn't disappear when he was gone, like Vito Genovese or coke when Escobar went, same as cannabis when Gilligan's gang was disbanded and unlikely to if/when the Kinehans retire or made redundant.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121904179#Comment_121904179

was that addressed to me?

Popuptent

Boxer from south livin north

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/ex-boxer-charged-in-connection-with-drug-dealing-and-organised-crime/a2012569152.html

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927169#Comment_121927169

Paschal Donohoe has ruled himself out as well!

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121929538#Comment_121929538

The have to take an excessive amount to kill indeed in one go, but that's the same as the tar as opposed to standing over a pit of it just inhaling , Fentanyl itself is extremely addictive, more addictive that the ganky coke and that **** meth they're cutting it with most times it's already been cut 10 times over

Fentanyl is itself sometimes just passed into different drugs as they use the same equipment in the labs.

Patrycko

It's Conal from the Tarmacers

WillyWoofter

SD or CmcA

Djprem403

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121931213#Comment_121931213

Doesn’t really make sense though why use something potentially lethal when cheaper safer alternatives are there.The fentanyl and coke doesn’t make sense either if your coke is smacking you out you’ll surely notice and people would be dropping like flies.The coke is cut to **** but mostly lido benzo or caffeine

Updaparish

The fentenl in the coke is usually cross contamination from the labs in Mexico

Spencer101

Was reading about the late Rose Dugdale. She moved to Dublin after release from Limerick prison and became involved with Concerned Parents Against Drugs. According to one obituary threatened to shoot 'Ma Baker'. Had heard the name before but not for years. What happened to Ma Baker (Marie Nolan) and her sons ? In the 80s she seemed to live in Finglas but deal heroin in Crumlin. Was very high profile for a time after Larry Dunne's demise:- The Heroin Bushfire | Magill

Guessing if she were still alive she would be 85-90. Can't fathom that I've never heard of a high profile gangland murder of female drug dealer in the 1980s/ 1990s. Also don't recall any account by the likes of Paul Williams a la Tony Felloni, or the Dunnes, of it all catching up with her and ending in a 20 year sentence. Did she die of natural causes within 5 years or so of the Magill article and no one of her sons came to fore to replace her ? As female gangsters of this type are far less common just curious that there's little seemingly available about her after c1987/88 (RTE report of Ma Baker (Marie Nolan's) house being attacked by CPAD.

Paul_Crosby

Gerard "Hucker" Moyna who riddled Lenny Murphy and Jimmy Brown amongst others found dead. Think he went dissident but hes been fucked for a long while

AlexTopp

Was James Nolan one of her sons? He was murdered by his brother in 2010. If so, it said his mother had already died.

ghostfacekilla

I wonder if she was a relation of Krystle Nolan etc. Same line of work.

Spencer101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934642#Comment_121934642

Krystle (sometimes Crystal) Nolan is now about 39 and estimated earlier that Marie Nolan (Ma Baker) if alive is 85-90. If there was a link we might be talking about a granddaughter ? Believe Krystle Nolan was from Crumlin where Ma Baker sold drugs in 80s. Obviously Nolan is not an uncommon surname and Crumlin is quite a large place.

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121932533#Comment_121932533

No idea of the process mate but you ever take a look at a street diazi?? Whatever it is it can be ten times stronger with unpredictable effects rather than a regular real diazi doses those things have sometimes ingredients that altogether make up more value per speck of blood brain barrier invaded per gram than the real thing

Paul_Crosby

I know because those street ones hit me more than the real ones, so they were cut with some synth **** ,fuckin comedown was a bastard

Paul_Crosby

Within the OIRA, Brown was a member of the Seamus Costello faction which split off as their own organisation in 1974. Their faction became the Irish National Liberation Army, with the Irish Republican Socialist Party as their political wing. Brown did not immediately follow Costello into the INLA, instead remaining within the OIRA until early 1976 as a spy. After that, Brown openly joined the INLA and in December 1977 Brown was made a member of IRSP's ard comhairle (executive committee). Thereafter Browne acted as both a political spokesman and an "intelligence officer" who planned bombings and shootings. Those who admired Brown gave him the moniker "the Professor" because of his skill with Marxist rhetoric while his detractors mocked him by calling him "the Clown", due to his involvement in several high-profile blunders.[3]

Extended police custody

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Brown was closely associated with childhood friend and neighbour Gerard Steenson, and in December 1981 Brown supported Steenson's attempt to seize control of the INLA. By February 1983 Brown was chairman of the IRSP's Belfast branch; that same month he contested a Belfast City Council by-election. However, during his campaign, he was arrested alongside Steenson and other leading Belfast INLA members after INLA member Rab McAllister became an informant to the police. In March 1983 McAllister retracted his testimony, but Brown and the rest of the detained INLA members were still held because of the evidence of another informer, Jackie Grimley. In December 1983 the INLA members were put before the court, but Lord Justice Maurice Gibson deemed Grimley, a petty criminal, unreliable. Nevertheless, Brown and the INLA members continued to be held when a third informer, Harry Kirkpatrick, gave evidence against them. During this time period, Brown used his time in court during bail applicants to make political speeches. He also created political articles and letters. In December 1985 Brown and the INLA members were convicted of terrorism on Kirkpatrick's evidence, but one year later in December 1986, their sentences were overturned on appeal.[3]

Republican infighting

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In 1982 "Mad Dog" Dominic McGlinchey had become the leader of the INLA, however, in 1984, McGlinchy was captured while Brown was still in jail. Without McGlinchy, a power vacuum was created within the INLA. One faction fell behind Belfast's John O'Reilly, while others formed together as an anti-O'Reilly block. Brown was part of the anti-O'Reilly group, and as a result O'Reilly tried to personally kill Brown's girlfriend in October 1984, while in the summer of 1985, Brown was attacked by O'Reilly followers while in prison.[3]

Upon the release of the Brown/Steenson group, they sought retaliation against the O'Reilly group, a feud that would see 11 people killed. As O'Reilly retained the INLA label, the Brown/Steenson group renamed themselves the Irish People's Liberation Organisation (paramilitary) and Republican Socialist Collective (political) respectively.[3]

Steenson was shot dead on 14 March 1987, leaving Brown the principal political leader of the IPLO/RSC. Brown by this point had moved to Dublin, where his affable personality won over many in the media and far-left circle, leading them to assume Brown was in control of both the IPLO and RSC. However, behind the scenes, Brown was increasingly losing control of the IPLO to the gunmen who filled its ranks. In the late 1980s, the IPLO carried out a series of high-profile assassinations of Loyalist leaders but also a number of mindless attacks on Loyalist pubs in which people were targeted at random. Brown handwaved any criticism of the attacks using his Marxist rhetoric.[3]

By 1989 the IPLO had turned to drug dealing in order to fund the purchase of more weapons. Brown oversaw these operations, using the same routes the IPLO had previously used to ship arms. When this was put to Brown, he would occasionally justify the IPLO's actions by noting the drug dealing activities of other Marxist paramilitary groups internationally such as FARC. It was also around this time that the IPLO began an "open door" policy, allowing criminals and those rejected by other paramilitary groups into their ranks without barriers. This upset many other republican groups and the IPLO's notoriety soared. By late 1991, the Provisional IRA began to make clear it was not happy with the IPLO and started to threaten action. Brown retorted back by threatening to stand in Gerry Adams' West Belfast constituency as a spoiler candidate, so that the SDLP could take the seat. Brown also declared that if he was attacked, he would have the IPLO assassinate leading members of Sinn Féin. Paradoxically, Brown also suggested, as an alternative, that all Irish Republican groups should band together as a "broad front".[3]

By 1991 it's alleged that IPLO drug dealing had stripped the IPLO/RSC of any remaining political credibility they had and left them solely a criminal gang. In August 1991 it was alleged that the IPLO collaborated with loyalists to kill former IPLO gunman Martin O'Prey in a dispute over profits. Following the robbery of a post office in Whiterock, the IPLO split into two groups, the "Army Council" and the "Belfast Brigade". Each side accused the other of drug dealing, collaborating with Loyalists and of working with the British as informants.[3][4]

Brown was killed by the Belfast Brigade on 18 August 1992 in West Belfast. Disgusted by the entire matter, the Provisional IRA moved in and attacked both groups. Weak, leaderless and demoralised, both versions of the IPLO "surrendered" to the PIRA.[3]

Updaparish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933305#Comment_121933305

https://youtu.be/s8piZVkhTVo?si=DVz8B2Cii9a2VZa7

Spencer101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121935318#Comment_121935318

They avoid using Ma Baker’s real name. There are newspapers clippings from a march on her house in 1985- but it only shows part of the clipping- the full clipping gives her real name. Makes me wonder was she ever actually convicted & was she alive at the time of this programme (2008).

Popuptent

Mr Big not happy about mediation of crown paints new hostel so close to his gaff

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121936271#Comment_121936271

If only there was some kind of mediation service he could use...

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121935198#Comment_121935198

And now for the weather .

Djprem403

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121935010#Comment_121935010

Yeah no argument there the blueys and the xans are all knock off the smack aswell is full of good knows what but the cokes a different market a different type of customer no dealer with half a brain is going to mix rat poison or fentanyl knowingly all it would bring is heat

Updaparish

The fake blue and xanax have what ever is in the spice bag stuff, the only thing worrying about fentenl here in Ireland is the kerry /Mexico connection and the familys interest working with them.

ballsdeep69

Anyone any idea who got shot in ballymun ?

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939136#Comment_121939136

Fair enough, It sounds like quite a lot of its just cross contamination so they must be using it heavy, coke, pure, cut or not don't do fa for me but give me a funny nose and a taurine like rush, like some vodka redbull mid sess ****, crack crystals the same, not for me except a huff. They're shite

Nothing I touch will have that garbage in it anyway now, I did the natural experience thanks, Ivory Wave, probably for the better that stuff got banned

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939438#Comment_121939438

So that's why they do nothing but make you too tired for three days to be stressed while you recover, garbage stuff