Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121932533#Comment_121932533

No idea of the process mate but you ever take a look at a street diazi?? Whatever it is it can be ten times stronger with unpredictable effects rather than a regular real diazi doses those things have sometimes ingredients that altogether make up more value per speck of blood brain barrier invaded per gram than the real thing

Paul_Crosby

I know because those street ones hit me more than the real ones, so they were cut with some synth **** ,fuckin comedown was a bastard

Paul_Crosby

Within the OIRA, Brown was a member of the Seamus Costello faction which split off as their own organisation in 1974. Their faction became the Irish National Liberation Army, with the Irish Republican Socialist Party as their political wing. Brown did not immediately follow Costello into the INLA, instead remaining within the OIRA until early 1976 as a spy. After that, Brown openly joined the INLA and in December 1977 Brown was made a member of IRSP's ard comhairle (executive committee). Thereafter Browne acted as both a political spokesman and an "intelligence officer" who planned bombings and shootings. Those who admired Brown gave him the moniker "the Professor" because of his skill with Marxist rhetoric while his detractors mocked him by calling him "the Clown", due to his involvement in several high-profile blunders.[3]

Extended police custody

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Brown was closely associated with childhood friend and neighbour Gerard Steenson, and in December 1981 Brown supported Steenson's attempt to seize control of the INLA. By February 1983 Brown was chairman of the IRSP's Belfast branch; that same month he contested a Belfast City Council by-election. However, during his campaign, he was arrested alongside Steenson and other leading Belfast INLA members after INLA member Rab McAllister became an informant to the police. In March 1983 McAllister retracted his testimony, but Brown and the rest of the detained INLA members were still held because of the evidence of another informer, Jackie Grimley. In December 1983 the INLA members were put before the court, but Lord Justice Maurice Gibson deemed Grimley, a petty criminal, unreliable. Nevertheless, Brown and the INLA members continued to be held when a third informer, Harry Kirkpatrick, gave evidence against them. During this time period, Brown used his time in court during bail applicants to make political speeches. He also created political articles and letters. In December 1985 Brown and the INLA members were convicted of terrorism on Kirkpatrick's evidence, but one year later in December 1986, their sentences were overturned on appeal.[3]

Republican infighting

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In 1982 "Mad Dog" Dominic McGlinchey had become the leader of the INLA, however, in 1984, McGlinchy was captured while Brown was still in jail. Without McGlinchy, a power vacuum was created within the INLA. One faction fell behind Belfast's John O'Reilly, while others formed together as an anti-O'Reilly block. Brown was part of the anti-O'Reilly group, and as a result O'Reilly tried to personally kill Brown's girlfriend in October 1984, while in the summer of 1985, Brown was attacked by O'Reilly followers while in prison.[3]

Upon the release of the Brown/Steenson group, they sought retaliation against the O'Reilly group, a feud that would see 11 people killed. As O'Reilly retained the INLA label, the Brown/Steenson group renamed themselves the Irish People's Liberation Organisation (paramilitary) and Republican Socialist Collective (political) respectively.[3]

Steenson was shot dead on 14 March 1987, leaving Brown the principal political leader of the IPLO/RSC. Brown by this point had moved to Dublin, where his affable personality won over many in the media and far-left circle, leading them to assume Brown was in control of both the IPLO and RSC. However, behind the scenes, Brown was increasingly losing control of the IPLO to the gunmen who filled its ranks. In the late 1980s, the IPLO carried out a series of high-profile assassinations of Loyalist leaders but also a number of mindless attacks on Loyalist pubs in which people were targeted at random. Brown handwaved any criticism of the attacks using his Marxist rhetoric.[3]

By 1989 the IPLO had turned to drug dealing in order to fund the purchase of more weapons. Brown oversaw these operations, using the same routes the IPLO had previously used to ship arms. When this was put to Brown, he would occasionally justify the IPLO's actions by noting the drug dealing activities of other Marxist paramilitary groups internationally such as FARC. It was also around this time that the IPLO began an "open door" policy, allowing criminals and those rejected by other paramilitary groups into their ranks without barriers. This upset many other republican groups and the IPLO's notoriety soared. By late 1991, the Provisional IRA began to make clear it was not happy with the IPLO and started to threaten action. Brown retorted back by threatening to stand in Gerry Adams' West Belfast constituency as a spoiler candidate, so that the SDLP could take the seat. Brown also declared that if he was attacked, he would have the IPLO assassinate leading members of Sinn Féin. Paradoxically, Brown also suggested, as an alternative, that all Irish Republican groups should band together as a "broad front".[3]

By 1991 it's alleged that IPLO drug dealing had stripped the IPLO/RSC of any remaining political credibility they had and left them solely a criminal gang. In August 1991 it was alleged that the IPLO collaborated with loyalists to kill former IPLO gunman Martin O'Prey in a dispute over profits. Following the robbery of a post office in Whiterock, the IPLO split into two groups, the "Army Council" and the "Belfast Brigade". Each side accused the other of drug dealing, collaborating with Loyalists and of working with the British as informants.[3][4]

Brown was killed by the Belfast Brigade on 18 August 1992 in West Belfast. Disgusted by the entire matter, the Provisional IRA moved in and attacked both groups. Weak, leaderless and demoralised, both versions of the IPLO "surrendered" to the PIRA.[3]

Updaparish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933305#Comment_121933305

https://youtu.be/s8piZVkhTVo?si=DVz8B2Cii9a2VZa7

Spencer101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121935318#Comment_121935318

They avoid using Ma Baker’s real name. There are newspapers clippings from a march on her house in 1985- but it only shows part of the clipping- the full clipping gives her real name. Makes me wonder was she ever actually convicted & was she alive at the time of this programme (2008).

Popuptent

Mr Big not happy about mediation of crown paints new hostel so close to his gaff

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121936271#Comment_121936271

If only there was some kind of mediation service he could use...

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121935198#Comment_121935198

And now for the weather .

Djprem403

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121935010#Comment_121935010

Yeah no argument there the blueys and the xans are all knock off the smack aswell is full of good knows what but the cokes a different market a different type of customer no dealer with half a brain is going to mix rat poison or fentanyl knowingly all it would bring is heat

Updaparish

The fake blue and xanax have what ever is in the spice bag stuff, the only thing worrying about fentenl here in Ireland is the kerry /Mexico connection and the familys interest working with them.

ballsdeep69

Anyone any idea who got shot in ballymun ?

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939136#Comment_121939136

Fair enough, It sounds like quite a lot of its just cross contamination so they must be using it heavy, coke, pure, cut or not don't do fa for me but give me a funny nose and a taurine like rush, like some vodka redbull mid sess ****, crack crystals the same, not for me except a huff. They're shite

Nothing I touch will have that garbage in it anyway now, I did the natural experience thanks, Ivory Wave, probably for the better that stuff got banned

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939438#Comment_121939438

So that's why they do nothing but make you too tired for three days to be stressed while you recover, garbage stuff

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121938233#Comment_121938233

it's related to Hucker, being as he was the one that shot him, you know one of the top gunmen and operators in on the Ra North Belfast found dead???

He shot Lennie Murphy and Jimmy Brown, I gave info in case some didnt know Jimmy Brown

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121938233#Comment_121938233

what do you think of Seamus Costello??

Sultan of Bling

https://m.independent.ie/podcasts/the-indo-daily/the-indo-daily-gangland-succession-part-i-the-psycho-pj-judge-and-the-first-deadly-betrayal/a68057709.html

Podcast about the Psycho.

Haven't listened yet.

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121943654#Comment_121943654

I liked him when he was with his band The Attractions.

IRE60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121943654#Comment_121943654

Rehashed press cuttings! But still interesting to have it packaged into 30 mins - first instalment of a three-part series on those coming up the ladder behind the last murdered guy! Next Marlo, if I remember correctly. Took my mind off the dog trying to dry-hump a bush this morning at 7:30am!

fall-in

Hey folks, long time reader here, I never post, but does anyone know who was shot in ballymun? And out of curiosity could anyone tell me what they use to compress white into a hard brick? I know they used a compressor but when they cut it with novacaine or whatever they use , how do they get it to compact into a solid block and hold its shape? I know a crew that used to mix in egg whites to make it moist and then compress it, but that used to just crumble when you went near it, I've seen stuff out there so solid you need a hammer to break it, ?🤔

Paul_Crosby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948326#Comment_121948326

Who do they reckon killed him??

mcgragger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894694#Comment_121894694

Without using my Ma as deflection.... any news there MR ITK ?

Paul_Crosby

Do not forget why Alan Ryan was allowed to die while shooting at Colin Duffy has different results

"It was at 3.40, Monday 1st of March, while on the way to an appointment, that my phone kept ringing. Knowing the number but not having it stored I let it ring on and off for a few minutes. Although being in a rush my nose got the better off me and I called the number back. What greeted me, I can honestly say, was of no shock. But a feeling came over me that only death can bring. The caller informed me of the killing of Vincent Ryan.

I would have known Vincent for quite a few years prior to his deaths: a capable young man who had committed his short life to the IRA. Vincent, whilst being a republican in his own right, had followed what one could say was the family path of his two elder siblings, Alan and Anto, who both had served time in gaol for activities related to what became known as the Real IRA.

What we do know about the Ryan family is that the brothers were totally committed to the aims and objectives of their given organisation. They were never found wanting whenever asked to step up to the plate. No task was beyond them, their commitment was absolute.

But can the same be said for those that give the orders that ultimately led to both brothers paying with their lives? Why should one family bear the responsibility for an organisation that led this family to believe that they could protect them from certain criminal elements?

Prior to Alan’s death and the coming together of the New IRA both brothers were members of the Real IRA in which they came under the direction of its leadership. Key here being that they came under its direction; that they followed orders and carried them out to the best of their abilities. In the 26 counties they would have reported to their commanding officer, a man who had developed a nickname known as “The Beast.” This man is the person who led the brothers to hell and left them there.

During this period the so-called war on drug dealers had commenced and pockets were being filled. The organisation became a magnet for opportunists like Declan Smith and his ilk. Money that was to be sent “up the road” was being spent on lavish life styles around city centre pubs. The opportunists were cashing in and living the life of what more resembled the mafia than that of a secret revolutionary organisation.

Of course on occasion a few euro would have to make its way up the road and a pat on the head would be given just like you would reward an obedient dog.

One does not need to look very far to see how it all went wrong, how the allure of money and the quest for power became the order of the day. Double crossing, back stabbing and Chinese whispers were rife. Although an air of distrust had developed, there was what seemed to be a shining light in the horizon: the amalgamation was on its way. It was this that the Ryan brothers held onto. Alan was heard on numerous occasions saying that the drug issue would have to take a back seat as the preparation for an offensive against the forces of occupation within the North must now take centre stage. His brother Vinny even travelled north to meet with other volunteers to plan operations and organise the transport weapons.

But you cannot fight a war without a war chest and the responsibility fell on the shoulders of Alan Ryan. Alan had assumed the role of OC Dublin Brigade. Not long after he travelled to meet a bag man for many drug dealers in the city in a hotel in Tallaght. Along with him came his brother Vincent, Declan Smith and a number of others. Also present with the bag man was a former OC of the Provisional IRA in the South. The meeting was arranged by a former security employee at the City West who also happened to be a Garda informer.

During the meeting certain demands for money were made to the bag man. Declan Smith was reported to have told the guy what he had previously done to a man in an alleyway in Belfast in an incident where the victim was killed with a shovel. Smith was admitting what most people knew or suspected: that he was the shovel man.

The meeting ended with the bag man receiving a severe beating at the door of the hotel. At this point Alan told the guy that he was a dead man and that all those with him were also dead men walking. At this point the former Provisional IRA O/C asked Alan if he was threatening him also. Alan explained that he was not. Alan Ryan lay dead within a few short weeks.

A step too far had been taken. Former Provisional leaders within the Dublin brigade, who had long term relationships going back years with criminals based in both Ireland and Spain, had been challenged as they saw it by the new guys on the block and manners would have to be put on them. They had served their purpose over the previous ten years cleaning up, doing the dirty work and collecting money from cigarette deals. It was now time to dispense with them before they grew too strong.

These people, being past masters, knew that the killing of Alan would yield rewards for them. They could influence this new leadership and get their own man appointed so that their own interests could be protected. The river of dirty money would have to flow with blood. That blood would be Ryan blood for their time had come.

The funeral of Alan was a chance not to be missed by those who felt that their light had faded: a big day out in blacks and whites for all and sundry. A challenge to the state that the IRA had risen from the dead and a message to the drug dealers that the IRA are coming to get you. They travelled from all over Ireland to get their pictures taken. Self-importance would be restored. They could return to their respective areas sure in the knowledge that they would be in the Sunday World the following weekend and they would be the talk of the local pub.

Of course this was all for the optics. Behind the scenes another game was at play in which moves were under way to put in place in the new leadership in Dublin. Within days arrests took place all over the city as a direct result of the funeral and Vincent along with few others were removed off the streets on trumped up charges to facilitate a smooth transition of power. The state which had witnessed all of this in the past was once again really pulling the strings.

Once inside jail Vincent came into direct conflict with the new leadership in Dublin. He openly challenged them on their links to those whom he had believed had given the go-ahead to have his brother killed. He became a persona non grata very quickly. His time was marked.

On Monday last I attended the wake of Vincent Ryan. To see the baby of the house laid out in the front room of his home was a very sombre moment. His partner Kelly cradled his head and his brothers constantly moved in and out of the room, not wanting to leave their brother too long as tomorrow they would say good bye for good.

Whilst travelling to the wake at times I was overcome with anxiety at the thought of seeing a young man who had so much to live for lying dead in his home. As disturbing as it may sound the journey and wake did me good. Whilst I had lost a friend it served me as a reminder to stay out. No good can come of it. His name will soon be a distant memory, only his family and close friends will remember him. They will have to find some meaning in their suffering. His poor mother may never find any solace.

Let it be a lesson to any young person that the cause is being manipulated to serve the interests of a few who serve no cause but their own. "

So basically the drug dealers had permission to get rid of this persona non grata, because he had crossed the bigger fish in the ocean and they got permission

The Moist Buddha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951810#Comment_121951810

2 pricks of brothers shot. no loss

The Moist Buddha

Vinnie was a shite barber too by all accounts

The Moist Buddha

https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/cocaine-kingpin-the-chocolate-caught-up-in-embarrassing-bar-brawl-video/a2091205862.html

"The Chocolate" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a name

Sultan of Bling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951801#Comment_121951801

They said it was Marlo Hyland on the orders of the Provisionals as you pointed out previously which came in for much criticism from some.

Never knew Marlo's sister was with Judge when he was shot.

Here's part 2 about Marlo.

https://m.independent.ie/podcasts/the-indo-daily/the-indo-daily-gangland-succession-part-ii-marlo-hyland-and-the-sicilian-effect/a681472098.html

Sultan of Bling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952321#Comment_121952321

I should point out, they didn't say Marlo was the shooter, but arranged it on instruction from the provisionals.

Petermc83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952075#Comment_121952075

when things get too hot , he melts …

wardyno1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951805#Comment_121951805

I’m not rte or the Sun mate …I’m like everyone else on here I’m saying what’s going around…u on the other hand must not have a lot going on in ur life waiting to see if my info is right or wrong…go for a cycle or something ,clear the head ffs.

40supple

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952321#Comment_121952321

pJ wasn’t with Marnos sister, what utter bolle¥

Michael Brady was married to Marnos sister Julia, in the late 1980’s Brady kicked Julia to death in front of their children. Brady got sentenced when Marno was was a teenager and selling on the street corner.

When Brady got out 9 year later Marno was controlling Cabra / phibsborough and had massive power

As far as I remember Brady lasted a couple of weeks before having his head blown off while sitting in a car, a few months prior to PJ getting done in 96 and Marno taking control of Finglas Ballymun and Drumcondra

That podcast has more holes in it that a tennis racket, Paul Williams is a proven fabricator and gets an erection every time he says ‘provo’, hes a sad little man…. why on earth would the IRA “order” Marno to kill PJ?