How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

National debt is measured in % of gdp and normally any debts gets repaid by borrowing more (when interest rates are not prohibitive). Absolute numbers don't matter but in Ireland percentage of gdp isn't great indicator either. In 2016 our economy grew magic 34% mostly due to multinationals funneling profits through Ireland. Something Krugman named Leprechaun Economics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun_economics

snore...:rolleyes:....

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

snore...:rolleyes:....

Yeah the same type of snore that drowned the Celtic Tiger. Who needs caution when money just magically appears.

(And yes I think it was necessary to throw money at Corona but do not think for a second the money three will keep on giving).

...In the case involving the school children the first pupil was infected within their family but the second child who tested positive in the same class was a mystery because there was no evidence of a connection between the two.

However, a teacher provided the clue when they said the children swapped desks during one class so that one of the child was nearer the blackboard,

The virus may have been passed on through an infected surface on the desk...

...Meanwhile, a Covid-19 outbreak at a school has directly affected about 20 staff and students.

It closed the school temporarily - the only one of 4,000 to be shut as a result of the disease since the new term began a month ago.

There were about 20 cases amongst staff and students linked to the outbreak, according to the HSE, which is still actively involved.

The school has since re-opened, with some restrictions to returns still currently in place.

Latest HSE figure show that cases of Covid have been detected in 140 of the country’s 4,000 mainstream schools since pupils returned.

Some 105 primary schools and 35 post-primary schools have undergone, or are undergoing, mass testing - one of the key public health responses when Covid-19 is identified in an education facility.

As well as that, Covid-19 has been identified in 39 childcare facilities and eight special education facilities, bringing the overall number of education settings where testing has been carried out to 187.

More than 4,455 students and teachers from the 187 settings, have, so far, undergone testing to check whether they had the disease.


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/covid-19-may-have-spread-in-school-when-students-swapped-desks-briefing-hears-as-442-new-cases-and-four-deaths-confirmed-39579963.html

wirelessdude01

Balagan1 wrote: »

...In the case involving the school children the first pupil was infected within their family but the second child who tested positive in the same class was a mystery because there was no evidence of a connection between the two.

However, a teacher provided the clue when they said the children swapped desks during one class so that one of the child was nearer the blackboard,

The virus may have been passed on through an infected surface on the desk...

...Meanwhile, a Covid-19 outbreak at a school has directly affected about 20 staff and students.

It closed the school temporarily - the only one of 4,000 to be shut as a result of the disease since the new term began a month ago.

There were about 20 cases amongst staff and students linked to the outbreak, according to the HSE, which is still actively involved.

The school has since re-opened, with some restrictions to returns still currently in place.

Latest HSE figure show that cases of Covid have been detected in 140 of the country’s 4,000 mainstream schools since pupils returned.

Some 105 primary schools and 35 post-primary schools have undergone, or are undergoing, mass testing - one of the key public health responses when Covid-19 is identified in an education facility.

As well as that, Covid-19 has been identified in 39 childcare facilities and eight special education facilities, bringing the overall number of education settings where testing has been carried out to 187.

More than 4,455 students and teachers from the 187 settings, have, so far, undergone testing to check whether they had the disease.


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/covid-19-may-have-spread-in-school-when-students-swapped-desks-briefing-hears-as-442-new-cases-and-four-deaths-confirmed-39579963.html

Well the story is incorrect when it states that only one has had to fully shut. I'm aware of three.

Wonder were the students who swapped seats at primary or secondary level?

khalessi

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1311760730652372992

average_runner

I have to say the principal in our kids school is top class. They had their 3rd covid case yesterday since they returned back to school, once the principal knew about the kid, he contacted everyone in that class first, notified the close contacts first and then sent an email to all the parents of the school to let them know.


24 hrs later HSE still hasn't contacted the close contacts. Close contacts are at home at the moment as the best approach



A strong principal will do no matter what for his/her pupils

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

I have to say the principal in our kids school is top class. They had their 3rd covid case yesterday since they returned back to school, once the principal knew about the kid, he contacted everyone in that class first, notified the close contacts first and then sent an email to all the parents of the school to let them know.


24 hrs later HSE still hasn't contacted the close contacts. Close contacts are at home at the moment as the best approach



A strong principal will do no matter what for his/her pupils

This at primary or secondary level?

How many students did the principal decide were close contacts?

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This at primary or secondary level?

How many students did the principal decide were close contacts?

Primary school and HSE worked together to identify the close contacts, but principal had contacted them, HSE hadn't so far.


Number wise i don't know as he didnt say in the email, but there are rumours on the whats app groups, looks around 6.

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

Primary school and HSE worked together to identify the close contacts, but principal had contacted them, HSE hadn't so far.


Number wise i don't know as he didnt say in the email, but there are rumours on the whats app groups, looks around 6.

Just as well the school was proactive. Same happened in a school that I know of. Teacher and parents of the entire class were only contacted by the contact tracers 6 days after the school had been informed.

Thankfully he principal had been proactive and had told them they were all considered close contacts. Tests had been done and results received by the time they were officially notified as being close contacts.

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Just as well the school was proactive. Same happened in a school that I know of. Teacher and parents of the entire class were only contacted by the contact tracers 6 days after the school had been informed.

Thankfully he principal had been proactive and had told them they were all considered close contacts. Tests had been done and results received by the time they were officially notified as being close contacts.

Parents have to back the school in a call like this. Different times now but if the principal believes its safer for them to be at home, so be it.

JDD

average_runner wrote: »

Parents have to back the school in a call like this. Different times now but if the principal believes its safer for them to be at home, so be it.

Completely agree.

Tell me this, if our principal contacted me to say one of the kids was a close contact of a confirmed case, but the HSE has yet to contact me, can I get my kid tested? Even if they have no symptoms? I'm not sure my GP would refer me for a test if the HSE hadn't contacted me and the child had no symptoms.

JimmyVik

JDD wrote: »

Completely agree.

Tell me this, if our principal contacted me to say one of the kids was a close contact of a confirmed case, but the HSE has yet to contact me, can I get my kid tested? Even if they have no symptoms? I'm not sure my GP would refer me for a test if the HSE hadn't contacted me and the child had no symptoms.

No. Had exactly that situation. No test.

irishblessing

JDD wrote: »

Completely agree.

Tell me this, if our principal contacted me to say one of the kids was a close contact of a confirmed case, but the HSE has yet to contact me, can I get my kid tested? Even if they have no symptoms? I'm not sure my GP would refer me for a test if the HSE hadn't contacted me and the child had no symptoms.

Couldn't you say you had been contacted by HSE... how would they know otherwise?

JDD

irishblessing wrote: »

Couldn't you say you had been contacted by HSE... how would they know otherwise?

I don't know. Wouldn't the HSE give you some sort of reference number to give to your GP? Otherwise any crackpot hypochondriac could contact their GP and get a test every two weeks saying that they were contacted by the HSE.

wirelessdude01

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-30/largest-covid-19-transmission-study-highlights-super-spreaders?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

mvl

irishblessing wrote: »

Couldn't you say you had been contacted by HSE... how would they know otherwise?

I would assume this can be checked on some database. So if we're talking about bending the rules when the rules are stupid (e.g. principal doing the common sense, rather than waiting for HSE as per rules) assume there are other less traceable ways to achieve this ?

combat14

Time to close the land border with NI / UK ...?

Northern Ireland reports 934 coronavirus cases in a day, double the previous record high

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/northern-ireland-reports-934-coronavirus-cases-in-a-day-double-the-previous-record-high-39582392.html

Serious talk again of closing schools there after mid term..

khalessi

World Teacher Day 5th October normally ignored this side of the world. Would be nice to recognise the work done by school staff doing their best to keep the schools open

appledrop

770 positive cases in Northumbria University and only 78 had symptoms.

Aren't we soooooooooo lucky that it's a different form of Covid 19 we seem to get here in Ireland that doesn't effect educational institutions?

I hope Dr. Glynn is reading that report this evening.

Jucifer

khalessi wrote: »

World Teacher Day 5th October normally ignored this side of the world. Would be nice to recognise the work done by school staff doing their best to keep the schools open

Fully agree. Many teachers and other childcare workers I know are scared about the whole situation. Not for themselves so much but for their parents, grandparents, babies, pregnant colleagues and the possibility that they might catch and transmit the virus. Yet they are going into a confined space every day in close contact with children from over 20 households while case numbers are rising, in most cases for hours on end with limited protection and doing their best for the children that they teach.

When a teacher has a young child with little English and can’t understand instructions, they don’t just sit at the top of the class they go down and help them.

There are many other sectors we need to recognise too but why not use the World Teacher Day to applaud teachers playing a strong role in keeping the country going during the second wave, educating our kids and getting on with things in a scary situation when many of us are comfortably working for home (myself included).

deiseindublin

As a teacher for 25+ years I find the World Teacher Day a bit twee and pretty much lip service.

Resource our schools better, give us proper contracts instead of years subbing, provide all schools with whiteboard markers instead of lots of teachers buying their own, maybe even warm classrooms. A box of donuts once a year just doesn't do it for me.

BonsaiKitten

Yeah I'm not sold on World Teacher Day either. Seems to be very popular in the USA where many teachers have far worse working conditions than we do here (thinking of places like Texas here, I'd know some teachers from there). A shout-out once a year while you continue to work in a punishing system ain't worth shít. Probably makes their admin team look good though and ticks a box on the paper work.

...Ghost...

Maybe October 5th will be a day that those who pistol whip teachers at every opportunity might just reflect for a split second on the hard work most teachers do. I know it's not the type of job I could do and the holidays just don't do enough to entice me enough to take a job like that. I would rather keep my sanity and choose my holidays too.

Jucifer

deiseindublin wrote: »

As a teacher for 25+ years I find the World Teacher Day a bit twee and pretty much lip service.

Resource our schools better, give us proper contracts instead of years subbing, provide all schools with whiteboard markers instead of lots of teachers buying their own, maybe even warm classrooms. A box of donuts once a year just doesn't do it for me.

You are obviously correct. I just meant in this current situation where everyone was recognising healthcare workers, shop workers, etc for working through the first wave. It might be nice for those who do nothing but criticise teachers to stop for a second and reflect on what they are doing for society during the coronavirus and the risks they are exposed to. A little recognition wouldn’t harm.

khalessi

deiseindublin wrote: »

As a teacher for 25+ years I find the World Teacher Day a bit twee and pretty much lip service.

Resource our schools better, give us proper contracts instead of years subbing, provide all schools with whiteboard markers instead of lots of teachers buying their own, maybe even warm classrooms. A box of donuts once a year just doesn't do it for me.

Yep I agree with this too, but coming on here since March the majority of what has been written has been negative about teachers. We have been told we are lazy and hiding from the virus. Well here we are, the schools are open 5 weeks and we are considered frontline workers just enough to keep schools open but not enough to even be givien the flu vaccine. Looks like Covid19 is not the only virus we are immune to.

Yes we need proper contracts, equal pay for LPTs, proper resources, not have to constantly dip our hands in our own pockets to pay for class resources, and we need proper classrooms. Perhaps the 5th of October could be used to highliught these issues, the doughnuts are just low hanging fruit. This is an opportunity to raise the real issues.

meeeeh

Just to point our that countries who clapped hardest for health workers like UK and Spain also did the worst in pandemic. Once people start showing appreciation neans you are usually in trouble.

Teachers weren't during the first wave and they are not yet now. It might happen but you will have to start dying because of your work first for people to clap.

Icyseanfitz

meeeeh wrote: »

Just to point our that countries who clapped hardest for health workers like UK and Spain also did the worst in pandemic. Once people start showing appreciation neans you are usually in trouble.

Teachers weren't during the first wave and they are not yet now. It might happen but you will have to start dying because of your work first for people to clap.

Ah sure, they will have cought covid in the pub or a restaurant or out partying with the college students, so it won't have been them doing their job that put them at risk, no need to clap for that.

meeeeh

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Ah sure, they will have cought covid in the pub or a restaurant or out partying with the college students, so it won't have been them doing their job that put them at risk, no need to clap for that.

You can clap for whomever you want. Personally I consider clapping a pretty empty gesture.

You know who was great at that kind of stuff? Communist countries. They were great at celebrating proletariat, letting them work in poor conditions, paying them pittance and sticking them in prison when they suggested something great overlords didn't like to hear. You get away with that kind of stuff as long as you pat a few people on the head on 1st of May.

Icyseanfitz

meeeeh wrote: »

You can clap for whomever you want. Personally I consider clapping a pretty empty gesture.

You know who was great at that kind of stuff? Communist countries. They were great at celebrating proletariat, letting them work in poor conditions, paying them pittance and sticking them in prison when they suggested something great overlords didn't like to hear. You get away with that kind of stuff as long as you pat a few people on the head on 1st of May.

I complete agree

jimmytwotimes 2013

I've posted this before but all the sniping on here is merely white noise.

Shame the WUMs on here won't ever see teacher-student working relationships, people having a bit of craic and getting some work done each day, also watching how everyone has adapted calmly to sanitising, wearing masks etc.

Discussing with the students their observations on the pandemic, how news of Trump having covid was the talk of the school on Friday, how rubbish Man U are now, will the gaa season go ahead, or will the LC be cancelled this year (they all want it to go ahead in our place due to farce of predictive) etc.

The bond established in a school environment over the 5/6 years students spend with us is lost on those with a chip on their shoulder. Their loss.