How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

JDD

s1ippy wrote: »

You could have lunch with a colleague who later tests positive. No guarantees that social distancing will be effective if you've touched the same surfaces or used the bathroom after them.

I would be keeping the app on.

Switch it on at lunchtime then. This isn't rocket science. You're supposed to wash your hands after using the bathroom anyway, and if picking it up on surfaces is what you are worried about, then I assume you haven't used a public bathroom in six months and are disinfecting your groceries?

But you should be keeping 2m distance from colleagues and washing your hands regularly anyway. Plus I'd guess you'd know fairly quick if the colleague you had lunch with two days ago is out of school today with symptoms. Probably quicker than the covid app would tell you, as the person would have to wait 24-48 hours for a test result and then you'd have to wait for the app on their phone to send you a ping.

meeeeh

mvl wrote: »

appears there is an assumption here that blended learning means parents have to drive the teaching - with follow on economic impacts/disasters - why is that ?
personally i would have thought blended learning is done via teams/zoom/skype calls, with teachers driving the remote learning ?!?

- with that in mind, schools can ensure all children from a year are taught virtually by one teacher at a time per subject, while allowing for additional teaching resources backups for the classes that are done in school - this can help preventing schools being understaffed in next months even. win win for all ...

Young kids can be at home on their own and your hairdresser can't cut your hair over Zoom working from home. If grandparents need to help with childminding (which is what often happens) it would be reckless to have kids in school mixing with other kids and then going to grandparents.

Blondini

At least 8 new cases/schools so far today confirmed by parents group.

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

If you are in a place where your location relative to other people is known, the app adds no value, just confusion as it's not, and can never be, 100% accurate. Where loads of people are in a building, even if they are in different rooms, pings may be returned. The value of the app is where you don't know the people you are in the vicinity of, or could forget, such as when socialising.

Lead with that on the RTE news.
I dare you

seamus

Better for the app to pick up fifty close contacts and find one case, than pick up none at all. It's unnecessarily nit-picky to ask people to switch off bluetooth on their phone while at work.

What'll happen is that they won't turn it back on for the bus journey home.

History Queen

Paul Reid says 264 cases linked to schools so far and 4000 students and teachers tested to date.

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-testing-covid-5217543-Sep2020/

JDD

Blondini wrote: »

At least 8 new cases/schools so far today confirmed by parents group.

You know that there are a million schoolgoing children in Ireland right?

Even if, at a generous estimate, each of those 8 cases involve three pupils, then that's 24 cases today. Or 120 this week.

Which would be 0.012% of the schoolgoing population.

Say those 120 infect two others this week (higher than the current R rate, but we're being generous), and those go on to infect two more, and so on for the next month. That would be 960 cases reported in a month.

Or 0.17% of the schoolgoing population.

Those 8 cases don't seem so bad now right?

JimmyVik

s1ippy wrote: »

Haha,

"I was within 2m of Ms Buckley, Mr O'Brien, Mr Twomey and Ms O'Leary."

HSE: "No you weren't"

Oh you are safe. The virus in schools is different. It can only jump an inch.
Were you within an inch of them? No. You're fine.

JimmyVik

JimmyVik wrote: »

Lead with that on the RTE news.
I dare you

Its true

JDD

seamus wrote: »

Better for the app to pick up fifty close contacts and find one case, than pick up none at all. It's unnecessarily nit-picky to ask people to switch off bluetooth on their phone while at work.

What'll happen is that they won't turn it back on for the bus journey home.

Fair enough. But if a teacher's phone picks up 100 close contacts, and all those isolate, including pupils at the back of their class and all the teachers in the school, the school will have to close unnecessarily and the testing facilities will be overwhelmed, leading to delays in results and wider infections across the community.

That is why, I suppose, they are asking some sectors not to use the app.

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

Its true

You keep up the HSE keep the schools open at all costs, even lives claptrap all you want.


Schools are measured and treated differently than the rest of the country.
Thats the problem. Special rules are being made up as we go along for schools.

wirelessdude01

History Queen wrote: »

Paul Reid says 264 cases linked to schools so far and 4000 students and teachers tested to date.

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-testing-covid-5217543-Sep2020/

Yet the HSE website shows 339 cases in the age range 4-15 between the 14th and 27th of September.

The preceding fortnight had 509 cases in that age range so actually quite a drop.

Something doesn't match or else we have a significant number of that age range delisted from school roll and officially being home schooled.

History Queen

History Queen wrote: »

Paul Reid says 264 cases linked to schools so far and 4000 students and teachers tested to date.

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-testing-covid-5217543-Sep2020/

Rate of positive tests from schools less than overall rate - more data to support the success of the reopening in schools
84 additional cases following from 180 index cases which resulted in 4,328 tests - 24 per case.

Lillyfae

JDD wrote: »

Fair enough. But if a teacher's phone picks up 100 close contacts, and all those isolate, including pupils at the back of their class and all the teachers in the school, the school will have to close unnecessarily and the testing facilities will be overwhelmed, leading to delays in results and wider infections across the community.

That is why, I suppose, they are asking some sectors not to use the app.

Not to mention you could be within 2 metres of 4 different people through walls and not actually be in their presence at all, but that won't stop the guffaws and poorly informed comments here, and hysterics on whatsapp if someone receives an alert.

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

Rate of positive tests from schools less than overall rate - more data to support the success of the reopening in schools
84 additional cases following from 180 index cases which resulted in 4,328 tests - 24 per case.

Are we really surprised when they wont test children or teachers in schools unless they have been licking faces of the positive cases?


You are comparing apples and oranges.


I give up with you. You are a cheerleader for DES. No doubt about it.

Blondini

JDD wrote: »

You know that there are a million schoolgoing children in Ireland right?

Even if, at a generous estimate, each of those 8 cases involve three pupils, then that's 24 cases today. Or 120 this week.

Which would be 0.012% of the schoolgoing population.

Say those 120 infect two others this week (higher than the current R rate, but we're being generous), and those go on to infect two more, and so on for the next month. That would be 960 cases reported in a month.

Or 0.17% of the schoolgoing population.

Those 8 cases don't seem so bad now right?

Read back on the thread.

You're not the first amateur statistician to come up with that garbage.

JimmyVik

JimmyVik wrote: »

Are we really surprised when they wont test children or teachers in schools unless they have been licking faces of the positive cases?


You are comparing apples and oranges.


I give up with you. You are a cheerleader for DES. No doubt about it.

24 tests per positive case says you are wrong.


Never let facts get in the way of a good rant

Lillyfae

Deleted User wrote: »

Never let facts get in the way of a good rant

I'd say it's reminiscent of the "banter" in the school staff room here sometimes :rolleyes:

downthemiddle

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Yet the HSE website shows 339 cases in the age range 4-15 between the 14th and 27th of September.

The preceding fortnight had 509 cases in that age range so actually quite a drop.

Something doesn't match or else we have a significant number of that age range delisted from school roll and officially being home schooled.

I know of one primary school where three staff and five pupils have tested positive. That's a lot of community transmission!!

downthemiddle

Lillyfae wrote: »

I'd say it's reminiscent of the "banter" in the school staff room here sometimes :rolleyes:

I doubt it. Most school staff actually understand how schools function.

JimmyVik

JimmyVik wrote: »

Are we really surprised when they wont test children or teachers in schools unless they have been licking faces of the positive cases?


You are comparing apples and oranges.


I give up with you. You are a cheerleader for DES. No doubt about it.

wirelessdude01

downthemiddle wrote: »

I know of one primary school where three staff and five pupils have tested positive. That's a lot of community transmission!!

All caught in the pub.

irishblessing

JDD wrote: »

You know that there are a million schoolgoing children in Ireland right?

Even if, at a generous estimate, each of those 8 cases involve three pupils, then that's 24 cases today. Or 120 this week.

Which would be 0.012% of the schoolgoing population.

Say those 120 infect two others this week (higher than the current R rate, but we're being generous), and those go on to infect two more, and so on for the next month. That would be 960 cases reported in a month.

Or 0.17% of the schoolgoing population.

Those 8 cases don't seem so bad now right?

That's 8 known cases, reported just in a FB group. Your figures don't matter so much now.

KerryConnor

Only quarantining classes in France after 3 test positive now.and teachers can't be deemed close contact s of their students anymore because they wear masks (even tho kids aren't wearing masks)
With 14000 new cases per day can only assume France wants virus to circulate as quickly as possible now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rfi.fr/en/france/20200921-france-eases-covid-19-restrictions-in-primary-schools-despite-rising-cases-children-low-transmission-risk

Boggles

Did any politician today ask Reid to explain his absolute nonsense figures?

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

That's 8 known cases, reported just in a FB group. Your figures don't matter so much now.

Well if on fb it has to be true. Because everything on Facebook is true.

freshpopcorn

Quick question guys.

How come when some schools get a Covid-19 case it can be plastered on social media and regional radio stations and other schools won't get mentioned.

Icyseanfitz

Boggles wrote: »

Did any politician today ask Reid to explain his absolute nonsense figures?

of course not

Icyseanfitz

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Quick question guys.

How come when some schools get a Covid-19 case it can be plastered on social media and regional radio stations and other schools won't get mentioned.

i listen my regional radio and news everyday, ive yet to hear a peep about any schools with covid, and i know for a certainty they exist

freshpopcorn

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

i listen my regional radio and news everyday, ive yet to hear a peep about any schools with covid, and i know for a certainty they exist

I'm just a little lost at how it's done or places are picked!