How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

teachinggal123

I’m genuinely happy to see all the teachers on this thread who did so much work over lockdown. It is to be commended ... particularly the teachers who worked 15 hour days!

The problem is the teachers who did nothing. If we ignore the teachers and listen to the parents experience there were many who did the one email a week thing or less. This cannot be ignored or glossed over.

My worry is that the same will happen again. This will be enabled if teachers are in denial and attack those that point this out. There are teachers in my place who won’t change ... they will do nothing again in another lockdown ... I know this. There is no sanction against these teachers. I’ve also heard of primary teachers joking that they’ll have another extended holiday soon. It’s joking I know, but there is an element of seriousness in there too.

I hope teachers will all work blended/online if there is another lockdown. I know I’ll be trying my best this time. But there are teachers who won’t work at all and we all know that. Others (like me) will have no support from colleagues and this will make things almost impossible and create tensions in the school.

Teachers, stand up and challenge those who did nothing and intend to do nothing again in another lockdown. This denial and claim that all teachers worked is doing our profession no good.


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wirelessdude01

deiseindublin wrote: »

Are you not embarrassed at continually repeating yourself? Honestly, I see your posting name and my eyes glaze over. I know you will start going on and on complaining about the exact type of teacher you were over lockdown. We get it, you did nothing and are now trying to sell yourself as a whistle blower, instead of a lazy teacher.

Just put them on the ignore list, really does great things.

alroley

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’m genuinely happy to see all the teachers on this thread who did so much work over lockdown. It is to be commended ... particularly the teachers who worked 15 hour days.

The problem is the teachers who did nothing. If we ignore the teachers and listen to the parents experience there were many who did the one email a week thing or less. This cannot be ignored or glossed over.

My worry is that the same will happen again. This will be enabled if teachers are in denial and attack those that point this out. There are teachers in my place who won’t change ... they will do nothing again in another lockdown ... I know this. There is no sanction against these teachers. I’ve also heard of primary teachers joking that they’ll have another extended holiday soon. It’s joking I know, but there is an element of seriousness in there too.

I hope teachers will all work blended/online if there is another lockdown. I know I’ll be trying my best this time. But there are teachers who won’t work at all and we all know that.

Teachers, stand up and challenge those who did nothing and intend to do nothing again in another lockdown. This denial and claim that all teachers worked is doing our profession no good.


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I've been saying all along that we need a standardized plan to prevent teachers like you taking the piss again.

I have always said there were teachers that didn't work, but all that I know did work. I don't know how anyone could sit at home on full pay while the education of their students is being neglected. It's awful.

Elliejo

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I’m genuinely happy to see all the teachers on this thread who did so much work over lockdown. It is to be commended ... particularly the teachers who worked 15 hour days!

The problem is the teachers who did nothing. If we ignore the teachers and listen to the parents experience there were many who did the one email a week thing or less. This cannot be ignored or glossed over.

My worry is that the same will happen again. This will be enabled if teachers are in denial and attack those that point this out. There are teachers in my place who won’t change ... they will do nothing again in another lockdown ... I know this. There is no sanction against these teachers. I’ve also heard of primary teachers joking that they’ll have another extended holiday soon. It’s joking I know, but there is an element of seriousness in there too.

I hope teachers will all work blended/online if there is another lockdown. I know I’ll be trying my best this time. But there are teachers who won’t work at all and we all know that. Others (like me) will have no support from colleagues and this will make things almost impossible and create tensions in the school.

Teachers, stand up and challenge those who did nothing and intend to do nothing again in another lockdown. This denial and claim that all teachers worked is doing our profession no good.


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I presume you reported yourself to your own principal and BOM as having openly not worked during lockdown. What was the response? Please don't preach at others if you didn't do so.

teachinggal123

alroley wrote: »

I've been saying all along that we need a standardized plan to prevent teachers like you taking the piss again.

I have always said there were teachers that didn't work, but all that I know did work. I don't know how anyone could sit at home on full pay while the education of their students is being neglected. It's awful.

I agree with you ... it is awful.

But what is also awful is teachers enabling this by saying that “all teachers worked”. This kind of attitude will make sure teachers won’t work again because they have cover from other colleagues.

It’s also disgraceful that teachers on here are defending one email a week. Again, this provides cover for these teachers who will do the same again.

Im already hearing this in our staff room.

wirelessdude01

alroley wrote: »

I've been saying all along that we need a standardized plan to prevent teachers like you taking the piss again.

I have always said there were teachers that didn't work, but all that I know did work. I don't know how anyone could sit at home on full pay while the education of their students is being neglected. It's awful.

Even out of boredom.

teachinggal123

Elliejo wrote: »

I presume you reported yourself to your own principal and BOM as having openly not worked during lockdown. What was the response? Please don't preach at others if you didn't do so.

The honest response to that is that my principal was aware of this and did nothing. There were a few older more influential teachers leading the way with every excuse in the world for not doing online. I’ll list out their excuses if anyone is interested. The principal wasn’t going against this.

My sister did mention that her kids (primary) to a member of the school BOM but was told that there was no point making a complaint. Sister wasn’t happy and said if the same happens again that she’ll be doing something stronger this time. BOM member shrugged her shoulders.

deiseindublin

So, 6 months on, you agree you are a disgrace, but want to keep repeating it? Ok, I think we have it now.

teachinggal123

deiseindublin wrote: »

So, 6 months on, you agree you are a disgrace, but want to keep repeating it? Ok, I think we have it now.

I’m challenging the claim “all teachers worked” that you and others are making.

I’m challenging this because it is enabling teachers to do nothing again if there is another lockdown.

wirelessdude01

Elliejo wrote: »

I presume you reported yourself to your own principal and BOM as having openly not worked during lockdown. What was the response? Please don't preach at others if you didn't do so.

Ahh sure they are talking about lockdowns and the like. They obviously don't even bother watching the news as they'd know schools are to be kept open so the aul lockdown won't be an issue.

What I can see happening though is primary school classes from maybe 3rd up being told to wear masks. Could be nationwide or regional but can definitely see it in the not too distant future.

teachinggal123

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ahh sure they are talking about lockdowns and the like. They obviously don't even bother watching the news as they'd know schools are to be kept open so the aul lockdown won't be an issue.

What I can happening though is primary school classes from maybe 3rd up being told to wear masks. Could be nationwide or regional but can definitely see it in the not too distant future.

Very naive to think there won’t be another lockdown.

Elliejo

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The honest response to that is that my principal was aware of this and did nothing. There were a few older more influential teachers leading the way with every excuse in the world for not doing online. I’ll list out their excuses if anyone is interested. The principal wasn’t going against this.

My sister did mention that her kids (primary) to a member of the school BOM but was told that there was no point making a complaint. Sister wasn’t happy and said if the same happens again that she’ll be doing something stronger this time. BOM member shrugged her shoulders.

I feel for the students you are meant to be teaching if you didn't have the decency to even to attempt to teach. You come across as less mature than your students. Blaming your own colleagues for your lack of backbone and integrity is like what kids say when they are caught misbehaving. "But they were all doing it"

Icyseanfitz

People are more worried about teachers doing their work than covid-19 at this stage ffs. Give it a rest, try your best, and move on.

alroley

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Very naive to think there won’t be another lockdown.

There could be, but the government have been clear that no matter what happens schools will be left open. They have already been completely ignoring the ECDC guidelines on schools.

PCros

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Very naive to think there won’t be another lockdown.

It’s been stated by government that the only way schools will close is if we return to March/April deaths.

I believe it will also be on a county by county basis too if it comes to that...which makes sense.

Icyseanfitz

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Very naive to think there won’t be another lockdown.

There won't be another lockdown, at least not for schools, they are hell bent on keeping them open as normal and **** the consequences.

On the issue of getting complacent, after 2 weeks in school I find myself really disillusioned tbh, why bother worrying about social distancing and preventative measures when schools are such a **** show, seems all so pointless now really.

khalessi

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

There won't be another lockdown, at least not for schools, they are hell bent on keeping them open as normal and **** the consequences.

On the issue of getting complacent, after 2 weeks in school I find myself really disillusioned tbh, why bother worrying about social distancing and preventative measures when schools are such a **** show, seems all so pointless now really.

It is terrible that they dont lead by example and go back to the Dáil, between the viewing gallery and other spaces they can social distance and if they cant once there is 40cm side by side, they will be grand apparently. Mind you they have found time to get the Dáil bar reopened I wonder if they serve chips.

teachinggal123

I don’t trust this Govt or the Minister for Ed.

There could easily be another total lockdown.

teachinggal123

Elliejo wrote: »

I feel for the students you are meant to be teaching if you didn't have the decency to even to attempt to teach. You come across as less mature than your students. Blaming your own colleagues for your lack of backbone and integrity is like what kids say when they are caught misbehaving. "But they were all doing it"

You should say that in this thread in the teaching forum https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058086571/1

The faux Outrage here is hilarious. A teacher admitting what everyone already knew and other teachers pretending they never heard of such scandal in all their days.
Talk to Joe tomorrow afternoon.

teachinggal123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The faux Outrage here is hilarious. A teacher admitting what everyone already knew and other teachers pretending they never heard of such scandal in all their days.

Haha ... perfect summary of the thread.

Blondini

Deleted User wrote: »

The faux Outrage here is hilarious. A teacher admitting what everyone already knew and other teachers pretending they never heard of such scandal in all their days.
Talk to Joe tomorrow afternoon.

Congrats, you've earned the quickest use of the ignore function in history based on the company you keep :pac:

Sammy2012

I am wondering how other teachers feel the online learning went now we are back to school? As in do people feel it worked or was it just an effort to keep some sense of normality?

mirrorwall14

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I am wondering how other teachers feel the online learning went now we are back to school? As in do people feel it worked or was it just an effort to keep some sense of normality?

The students who engaged properly in music composition in particular gained a lot. I did a lot of over and back with corrections and resubmission with those engaging. Their work this week is well ahead of those who couldn’t/didn’t engage. Harder to tell with maths because we have moved on in topics

Sammy2012

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

The students who engaged properly in music composition in particular gained a lot. Their work this week is well ahead of those who couldn’t/didn’t engage. Harder to tell with maths because we have moved on in topics

Glad to hear that some benefitted anyway. I am interested in how primary aged kids got on. I have half the class i had last year and based on some test results especially in Maths progress was poor. There was good levels of engagement from them with me up until June but in my experience it wasn't overly successful.

Locotastic

Why oh why is there no continuity for pupils who have to isolate, wait for tests, are are otherwise unwell and can't go to school??

Along with the testing capacity (now under strain) some form of basic online schooling in line with the curriculum needs to be available and should have been planned for.

I just can't believe that what the last couple of weeks have shown was not considered or planned for. Shambolic!!

khalessi

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I am wondering how other teachers feel the online learning went now we are back to school? As in do people feel it worked or was it just an effort to keep some sense of normality?

For the children who received Learning Support I felt it was tough going as they had classroom work as well as LS work and some were trying to do it on phones. I found the Google classroom a great way to keep in touch with the my students and check with their folks or them on how they were doing as it wsnt just about getting work done. I could not get my head around Seesaw which my kids used, it drove me potty.

The schools were taken by surprise, it was announced on the Thursday afternoon and schools didnt know before hand. I know a few of my colleagues were shocked and upset by the sudden closure seemed to imply we were in a really bad place. Also it didnt give us time to put in place any proper work. In my school the rest of that day was spent just organisingwork for the students until we got up and running online. There was a lot of running to the photocopier. Quite a few of my colleagues are in the very high risk category and were afraid they would not make it back, some haven't yet.

It worked better in some places than others, and was I also feel an attempt to give the kids some normality. From what the children told me the work gave them something to do but they missed their friends, even though they could talk to them online it was not the same obviously.

Sammy2012

Locotastic wrote: »

Why oh why is there no continuity for pupils who have to isolate, wait for tests, are are otherwise unwell and can't go to school??

Along with the testing capacity (now under strain) some form of basic online schooling in line with the curriculum needs to be available and should have been planned for.

I just can't believe that what the last couple of weeks have shown was not considered or planned for. Shambolic!!

I'm sure teachers who are very high risk would have happily worked from home to facilitate some of this. If the option had of been there. There is nothing for kids who will miss a week or 2 of school at a time.

BonsaiKitten

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Glad to hear that some benefitted anyway. I am interested in how primary aged kids got on. I have half the class i had last year and based on some test results especially in Maths progress was poor. There was good levels of engagement from them with me up until June but in my experience it wasn't overly successful.

Very good progression in my school - we did live daily lessons though. The only area I would see as being weak is writing but I think my class now would not have been strong writers anyway, so that's not too surprising. Going to do a lot of writing work over the next few months.

Edit to add: I do notice that the concentration/listening skills are not what I'd usually expect from this age group. They're a young enough bunch mentally though so not sure whether that's lockdown or just how they are.

Locotastic

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I'm sure teachers who are very high risk would have happily worked from home to facilitate some of this. If the option had of been there. There is nothing for kids who will miss a week or 2 of school at a time.

That would have made complete sense, pairing high risk staff with online programme delivery.

You've classes being sent home for 2 weeks at a time in primary, students who might have similar symptoms but are OK to do work just not attend school.

My daughter managed 2 days in school and has missed the whole second week of school with a head cold (of course developed a cough with it and had to be tested). I'm really concerned what all this disruption is going to result in long term.