Second Captains Part II

kippy

kippy wrote: »

Sure who wouldn't want to listen to a pod on the national sport on the national holiday?

About 99% of this thread by the sounds of it normally

I think it was about the approach to restrictions when NI opens back up before us judging by the title.

dulpit

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Couldn’t download it either, got an error on pocket casts. It’s a GAA one so I’d suspect most people won’t mind if it never reappears.

Same here, but does seem to stream okay...

Xavi6

Really enjoyed the LOI preview and the discussion about Bohs' marketing initiatives, more like that during the season would be nice.

al87987

Haven't listened to it yet but judging by the time it was uploaded, looks like a Thursday recorded podcast for Friday which unfortunately means no Jose/Spurs talk.

Beersmith

Don't think they have done a Friday recorded pod for over a year

EltonJohn69

al87987 wrote: »

Haven't listened to it yet but judging by the time it was uploaded, looks like a Thursday recorded podcast for Friday which unfortunately means no Jose/Spurs talk.

Deserves an emergency podcast

The Davestator

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Deserves an emergency podcast

For losing a Europa league match???

The bar is a bit higher for emergency podcasts!

(I'm sure you were joking)

Beersmith

No the fallout and talking points are great for this one. Mourinho, loris and joe hart. I mean its all just hilarious and Ken's take would be great to have whilst it fresh. The buzz will be gone by the time its talked about which may be Tuesday

humberklog

"Chekhov's a load of bollix".

EltonJohn69

Beersmith wrote: »

No the fallout and talking points are great for this one. Mourinho, loris and joe hart. I mean its all just hilarious and Ken's take would be great to have whilst it fresh. The buzz will be gone by the time its talked about which may be Tuesday

The fact that they are doing everything on zoom, they should be able to do throw out a few micro podcasts to keep their coverage fresh

Salvation Tambourine

It'd be a nice to have a politics podcast with Ken on the lockdowns. I know he's a sports writer but I'd genuinely be interested to see where he stands on it.

Running Balance

Horgan complaining about stander moving back to the south Africa and maybe joining a franchise at home - what an idiot.

It's a career shane not a life sentence.

Raoul

Running Balance wrote: »

Horgan complaining about stander moving back to the south Africa and maybe joining a franchise at home - what an idiot.

It's a career shane not a life sentence.

It's a load of crap though, the whole naturalization thing. It makes a mockery of playing for your country. Whatever about the granny time in football, those lads can claim some sort of association with the country.

Running Balance

Raoul wrote: »

It's a load of crap though, the whole naturalization thing. It makes a mockery of playing for your country. Whatever about the granny time in football, those lads can claim some sort of association with the country.

But at least the likes of stander and Lowe etc have to commit 3 or now 5 years before they can play.

Better than trying to get Patrick bamford and the likes to commit.is more embarrassing. Hoping mark noble says yes. Jayus!!

I think we all see the granny rule in rose tinted glasses cause we got such a good soccer team out of it in early 1990s.

Blud

Running Balance wrote: »

But at least the likes of stander and Lowe etc have to commit 3 or now 5 years before they can play.

Better than trying to get Patrick bamford and the likes to commit.is more embarrassing. Hoping mark noble says yes. Jayus!!

I think we all see the granny rule in rose tinted glasses cause we got such a good soccer team out of it in early 1990s.

You don't think there's something not right about an Ireland player getting a big send off yesterday before he moves back home to South Africa?

Running Balance

Blud wrote: »

You don't think there's something not right about an Ireland player getting a big send off yesterday before he moves back home to South Africa?

Oh no there is but least he has lived in the country for nearly 10 years.

Not like some of the football lads who spend 20 days a year in the country..

Blud

Running Balance wrote: »

Oh no there is but least he has lived in the country for nearly 10 years.

Not like some of the football lads who spend 20 days a year in the country..

Hmmm.

Rugby supporters have loved slagging football for years over diving and over how Ireland have to get English lads to play football. Now the rugby rule re naturalisation means lads with way more tenuous links to Ireland play rugby for us than has ever been the case with football, you're left clutching at straws.

CJ has never been and never will be Irish. I'd accept a connection through an Irish granny far quicker than the connection he has. James Lowe is playing for Ireland because Leinster offered him a better contract than any other club. Give me an Irish granny any day.

kippy

Blud wrote: »

Hmmm.

Rugby supporters have loved slagging football for years over diving and over how Ireland have to get English lads to play football. Now the rugby rule re naturalisation means lads with way more tenuous links to Ireland play rugby for us than has ever been the case with football, you're left clutching at straws.

CJ has never been and never will be Irish. I'd accept a connection through an Irish granny far quicker than the connection he has. James Lowe is playing for Ireland because Leinster offered him a better contract than any other club. Give me an Irish granny any day.

Is it really that important?

Arguing over levels of nationalism is absolutely juvenile, especially in a professional sporting context where adults get paid vast sums to play a game.

If people were more fluid on their attitudes to where people were 'from' the world would be a better place.

Blud

kippy wrote: »

Is it really that important?

Arguing over levels of nationalism is absolutely juvenile, especially in a professional sporting context.

If people were more fluid on their attitudes to where people were 'from' the world would be a better place.

You don't think nationality is an important part of who plays for the national team?

That's a novel take.

kippy

Blud wrote: »

You don't think nationality is an important part of who plays for the national team?

That's a novel take.

I don't think it's worth arguing over which professional sport do it better tbh....

Blud

kippy wrote: »

I don't think it's worth arguing over which professional sport do it better tbh....

Probably fair, but I think it's worth pointing out when one group has overly ridiculous rules, which I think rugby has.

If it were me, I'd link it to eligibility for citizenship across all sports.

lawred2

Blud wrote: »

Probably fair, but I think it's worth pointing out when one group has overly ridiculous rules, which I think rugby has.

If it were me, I'd link it to eligibility for citizenship across all sports.

Isn't that what naturalisation is?

CJ is an Irish citizen.

Actually maybe I'm confusing him with Bundee... Hmmm

kippy

Blud wrote: »

Probably fair, but I think it's worth pointing out when one group has overly ridiculous rules, which I think rugby has.

If it were me, I'd link it to eligibility for citizenship across all sports.

I think you'd probably want to brush up on the rules before making that point tbh.

Blud

My apologies, I meant to say eligible for citizenship at birth. Effectively taking naturalisation out of it, as different countries have different naturalisation rules.

ongarite

I thought the posts this morning were for David O Doherty.
He was on TV last night and did one of his lockdown tunes with his Dad.

https://twitter.com/phlaimeaux/status/1373559899746148353

I’d be an O’Doherty fan and would have regularly went to shows in the olden days, but that was horrendous.

Billy Ocean

Not a fan of the residency rule in rugby but these things span across professional sports weather we like it or not, granny rule in soccer, englands cricket team, Canada's Lennox Lewis and Greg Rusedski both represented the union jack, in the last 20 years several long distance runners from 3rd world African countries switched allegiance to the likes of Turkey and Qatar.

I must say CJ Stander's commitment to Munster and Ireland can't be questioned, properly bought in and emptied the tank for both jerseys, I would never hold it against anyone wanting to return to their homeland, his wife and young daughter have spend the majority of the last year in SA too, when Ireland players have got released from the covid bubble to spend a couple of days with their immediate families he stayed in the hotel because he had no family here, personally doesn't bother me if he lines out for the Bulls or the Stormers or works on the family farm when he returns to SA.

~Rebel~

For the rugby, instead of getting too caught up in nationalism, I think it's best to think of what that team really represents. It's an IRFU team - players who play in the IRFU are the ones to make up the international team, while players who play elsewhere aren't allowed (Zebo).

After all, the team doesn't represent any country. It represents the whole Island of Ireland, which obviously doesn't exist as a political entity.

More generally speaking, I hate the idea of cutting down on who can play for who in these overtly-nationalistic terms... like saying it should only be by birth. You can have someone move here as a baby, live his whole life here, play all his rugby here, and be denied the right to play for the country he would unequivocally call his home. I say once you're a citizen, you're a citizen, and have all the rights and privileges that go with that, including the opportunity to represent the nation in sports if selected.

Cienciano

I wouldn't compare rugby and soccer ways of getting "irish" players. Both sports have their rules and all countries in both sports will exploit the rule wherever they can.

Hotblack Desiato

The criticism of the FAI over the granny rule is particularly stupid, anyone with an Irish grandparent is entitled to citizenship, we don't have a second class of citizenship which entitles you to a passport but not to play football!