The UK response - Part II - read OP

noelfirl

Was supposed to be LHR > DUB on Monday. Am seriously not relishing the phone call with my parents...

ancapailldorcha

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I expected nothing less, which is why I didn't bother making any plans or travel arrangements. Boris is shown he's full of absolute sh1te. It clearly isn't safe enough right now to be mixing with people or travelling.

I'd to do a few days earlier this year for a sibling's wedding. Flew to NI, crossed the border, did the wedding, stayed home watching telly a few days and headed back.

He's on course to be remembered as one of the worst PM's in history.

stargazer 68

noelfirl wrote: »

Was supposed to be LHR > DUB on Monday. Am seriously not relishing the phone call with my parents...

How is it going to be enforced at airports etc? Up to the airlines or police?

noelfirl

stargazer 68 wrote: »

How is it going to be enforced at airports etc? Up to the airlines or police?

My suspicions are they'll start cancelling flights in the next few hours. If it wasn't I'd be tempted to blag with my old Oxford address, which I think is still outside Tier 4.

But it's Boris' government, so who knows...

stargazer 68

Told my daughter to use her Irish passport tomorrow. She is a bit nervous though in case they wont let her travel!

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd to do a few days earlier this year for a sibling's wedding. Flew to NI, crossed the border, did the wedding, stayed home watching telly a few days and headed back.

He's on course to be remembered as one of the worst PM's in history.

So what should he have done?

cmac2009

noelfirl wrote: »

My suspicions are they'll start cancelling flights in the next few hours. If it wasn't I'd be tempted to blag with my old Oxford address, which I think is still outside Tier 4.

But it's Boris' government, so who knows...

Can't recall, but did they cancel flights between Ireland and UK at any stage previously?

Necro

cmac2009 wrote: »

Can't recall, but did they cancel flights between Ireland and UK at any stage previously?

I don't *think* so. Though Knock Airport only reopened on Friday after being closed about 6/8 weeks as air travel was so low

tanko

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd to do a few days earlier this year for a sibling's wedding. Flew to NI, crossed the border, did the wedding, stayed home watching telly a few days and headed back.

He's on course to be remembered as one of the worst PM's in history.

How much longer is it going to take for the UK public to realise how utterly useless Boris and co are?

Inquitus

Something really serious must be going down as far as their predictions for NHS Capacity go, to essentially place well over half the English population into as hardcore a lockdown as you could come up with on such short notice literally days before xmas! It's not like Bojo is known for his timely and effective decision making, he must have seen projections that frankly scared the shít out of him.

The Tier 4 rules which come into effect on Sunday will include:

* A “stay at home” message in law, apart from limited exemptions such as work, education, healthcare, childcare and exercise.

* People will be advised not to enter Tier 4 areas and Tier 4 residents must not stay overnight away from home.

* Christmas bubbles are axed so households will not be allowed to mix, apart from for support bubbles.

* Non-essential shops will have to close, effectively from close of business on Saturday, as will indoor leisure such as gyms, indoor entertainment including cinemas, bowling alleys and casinos, and the personal care sector including hairdressers and nailbars.

* Household mixing will be limited to one person being able to meet with one other person in a public space outside, with exemptions for support bubbles and for childcare bubbles and for children whose parents have separated.

* For the clinically extremely vulnerable, people who have been shielding in the past, the guidance from November will be reimposed which broadly says that these inidividuals should not to go to work, limit time outside the home and take exercise outside at less busy time.

* People currently not at home in Tier 4 will be able to travel back.

* People will not be able to travel abroad on holiday.

* Outdoor sport will be able to continue and there will be no restrictions on exercise.

stargazer 68

noelfirl wrote: »

My suspicions are they'll start cancelling flights in the next few hours. If it wasn't I'd be tempted to blag with my old Oxford address, which I think is still outside Tier 4.

But it's Boris' government, so who knows...

I think the airlines would rather fly empty than cancel and have to refund all that money!!

whiskeyman

Friends in Scotland were due to get ferry to NI and back here tomorrow.
That's off the cards now due to latest restrictions.

Seems like they still have option to fly direct to Dublin though?
Is that right?

daheff

TimeToShine wrote: »

Does anyone actually think all the Irish with flights booked home are just going to stay put? Unless airlines start canceling flights this lockdown announcement is just hot air.

Airlines will only cancel if they are forced to.


Wonder if our Govt will stop in incoming people from UK to stop importing this variant of the virus??

A Dub in Glasgo

whiskeyman wrote: »

Seems like they still have option to fly direct to Dublin though?
Is that right?

Ryanair & Aer Lingus have a daily Glasgow - Dublin flight each

Northernlily

S.M.B. wrote: »

London going into Tier 4 and talks of no Christmas bubbles.

I'm livid, absolutely livid.

Why?

Public compliance went out the window with Dominic Cummings. Once the public tolerated that, game over.

whiskeyman

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Ryanair & Aer Lingus have a daily Glasgow - Dublin flight each

Cheers. So travel still ok from Ireland as of this evening?

ancapailldorcha

whiskeyman wrote: »

Cheers. So travel still ok from Ireland as of this evening?

The measures do not come into force until midnight.

stargazer 68

whiskeyman wrote: »

Cheers. So travel still ok from Ireland as of this evening?

Yes and no plans to change that as yet. According to the 6 o'clock news

PommieBast

daheff wrote: »

Airlines will only cancel if they are forced to.

After the RyanAir high court case there is no chance of them being forced, at least from the Irish side..

Wonder if our Govt will stop in incoming people from UK to stop importing this variant of the virus??

Doubtful. At the very least they will have to let in residents, and that in itself would be hard to enforce.

PommieBast

whiskeyman wrote: »

Cheers. So travel still ok from Ireland as of this evening?

I'm flying to Heathrow tomorrow and don't expect any trouble. It is getting back after xmas that concerns me..

whiskeyman

PommieBast wrote: »

I'm flying to Heathrow tomorrow and don't expect any trouble. It is getting back after xmas that concerns me..

London seems ok and I get what Scotland protecting against travel from rest of UK. I except Scotland rules to be more stringent.
Can't seem to find anywhere concrete that Ireland ok.
Although I checked Ryanair site and can book flights from Glasgow to Dublin but not Glasgow to anywhere in UK.

I would have thought you should be ok as international travel would require quarantine?

S.M.B.

Northernlily wrote: »

Why?

Public compliance went out the window with Dominic Cummings. Once the public tolerated that, game over.

I've no idea what point is being made here. There's no public compliance because of public toleration?

ancapailldorcha

whiskeyman wrote: »

London seems ok and I get what Scotland protecting against travel from rest of UK. I except Scotland rules to be more stringent.
Can't seem to find anywhere concrete that Ireland ok.
Although I checked Ryanair site and can book flights from Glasgow to Dublin but not Glasgow to anywhere in UK.

I would have thought you should be ok as international travel would require quarantine?

London isn't ok which is why they've increased the restrictions twice in a week. It remains to be seen how the airlines react but the prospect of being stuck here for Christmas is beyond grim.

PommieBast

whiskeyman wrote: »

I would have thought you should be ok as international travel would require quarantine?

Last time I flew into Heathrow from Dublin was October, and back then I did not even have to fill out a passenger locator form. DUB-LHR is ironically classified as a domestic flight..

ancapailldorcha

PommieBast wrote: »

Last time I flew into Heathrow from Dublin was October, and back then I did not even have to fill out a passenger locator form. DUB-LHR is ironically classified as a domestic flight..

I don't feel so bad about cheekily nipping to and fro across the border now.

Would I be breaking the law if I headed home? I genuinely don't know if flights aren't cancelled.

noelfirl

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't feel so bad about cheekily nipping to and fro across the border now.

Would I be breaking the law if I headed home? I genuinely don't know if flights aren't cancelled.

It's classic Boris & co/UK governance in general. I'm certain he said a definitive 'must not' or 'can not' travel during the live press conference earlier, but the online guidance says this:

If you are in Tier 4, you should not be travelling abroad unless it is permitted. In addition, you should consider the public health advice in the country you are visiting.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

That suggests it's not definitively bounded in any sort of law/regulation.

lainey_d_123

noelfirl wrote: »

It's classic Boris & co/UK governance in general. I'm certain he said a definitive 'must not' or 'can not' travel during the live press conference earlier, but the online guidance says this:



https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

That suggests it's not definitively bounded in any sort of law/regulation.

That's not really the point though, is it?

Why are people quibbling about if it's actually illegal or not, instead of worrying about potentially killing their parents? These measures have come into force as a result of information that this new variant of covid is spreading like wildfire. Boris would not have brought in these restrictions unless he absolutely had to because he now looks like a prize t1t after promising all year that he would 'save Christmas'. It's not as if it's some silly pointless rule - there is a very real danger that anyone residing in a tier 4 area could have or pick up covid and then infect people in Ireland. Is it really worth it, when the vaccine is now just weeks away for elderly people?

I really don't understand people.

lainey_d_123

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

That's not really the point though, is it?

Why are people quibbling about if it's actually illegal or not, instead of worrying about potentially killing their parents? These measures have come into force as a result of information that this new variant of covid is spreading like wildfire. Boris would not have brought in these restrictions unless he absolutely had to because he now looks like a prize t1t after promising all year that he would 'save Christmas'. It's not as if it's some silly pointless rule - there is a very real danger that anyone residing in a tier 4 area could have or pick up covid and then infect people in Ireland. Is it really worth it, when the vaccine is now just weeks away for elderly people?

I really don't understand people.

Absolutely.

The number one rule on Boards is “Don’t be a dick”. People need to apply that to the real world as well.

j4vier

Due to fly to London Heathrow on the 23 and returning back on the 29.

Won't be doing that after today's restrictions.

Will Aer lingus refund me the whole booking does anyone know? It was a saver booking fee so in theory not eligible for a refund but then again, I'm not going because of the government guidelines, not because i changed my mind.

46 Long