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The UK response - Part II - read OP

  • 22-07-2020 11:28pm
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    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 62,376 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty


    A continuation from this thread

    As usual please remain civil. As warned in the first thread this is not an excuse for Brit-bashing

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,279 ✭✭✭✭ TheValeyard


    First!

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭ woody22



    Thanks for posting these. It’s good to see the trends and 7 day averages


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It will be interesting to see what comes from the recount that Hancock has instigated.

    I’ve heard several anecdotal accounts of people who died after being tested positive, but not from covid 19. The last being a 93 year old lady from my parents church, who tested positive in April but died two weeks ago from a heart attack, yet still included in the overall figures.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,187 ✭✭✭ S.M.B.


    Identifying exactly who died as a result of being exposed to Covid isn't going to be that black and white either. That woman's heart may have been in great condition until she caught the virus.

    I'm not quite sure what method they can or will use to ensure the numbers tell the true story.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo


    It does seem very strange that we are still seeing 60ish people die from COVID-19 per day in England


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump


    Johnson kinda bumbles an admission that they messed up. Promises an inquiry.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0724/1155403-covid-uk/

    "We didn't understand (the virus) in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months," he added.

    "And I think probably, the single thing that we didn't see at the beginning was the extent to which it was being transmitted asymptomatically from person to person.

    "I think it's fair to say that there are things that we need to learn about how we handled it in the early stages ... there will be plenty of opportunities to learn the lessons of what happened."

    Plenty of opportunity when it is all over.....they could have alternatively listened to what the global health experts were pleading with them before it started in the UK


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    Identifying exactly who died as a result of being exposed to Covid isn't going to be that black and white either. That woman's heart may have been in great condition until she caught the virus.

    I'm not quite sure what method they can or will use to ensure the numbers tell the true story.




    Not only that, it is possible that most of the people in the UK who died from Corona in the UK might have gotten knocked down by a horse and cart while out walking the very next day even if they had not ever caught it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump


    Aegir wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what comes from the recount that Hancock has instigated.

    I’ve heard several anecdotal accounts of people who died after being tested positive, but not from covid 19. The last being a 93 year old lady from my parents church, who tested positive in April but died two weeks ago from a heart attack, yet still included in the overall figures.




    Genuine question for you.


    How do you know she is included in the overall figures? Do they publish names to go along with the official figures?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Genuine question for you.


    How do you know she is included in the overall figures? Do they publish names to go along with the official figures?

    like I said, anecdotal and passed on by the family of the deceased.

    based on the criteria for the figures though, it stands to reason.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not only that, it is possible that most of the people in the UK who died from Corona in the UK might have gotten knocked down by a horse and cart while out walking the very next day even if they had not ever caught it.

    Genuine question for you.

    WTF are you on about?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭✭ nacho libre


    It will be impossible to really determine who died with covid19, as opposed to who died from covid 19. The former is what those who seek to downplay the current UK Governments handling of the pandemic focus on to suggest the mortality rate is inflated. If only Matt Hancock was as quick to want a review into his own performance during this pandemic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭ robert6920


    It will be impossible to really determine who died with covid19, as opposed to who died from covid 19. The former is what those who seek to downplay the current UK Governments handling of the pandemic focus on to suggest the mortality rate is in flated. If only Matt Hancock was as quick to want a review into his own performance during this pandemic.

    Will it be a “world beating” review?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 RasTa


    BREAKING: Govt to announce shortly that tourists in Spain will have to quarantine for two weeks when they return (unless they're back by midnight tonight). Second wave of Covid-19 there has prompted decision to kick Spain off the safe country list

    Good luck with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo


    14-day quarantine imposed on travellers from Spain to England and Scotland. The Scottish govt had the right idea when they refused to remove quarantine but then relented to constant pressure this week to remove quarantine and now re-imposes it


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭ dartboardio


    UK government have now updated travel advice to 'avoid non essential travel to mainland spain' as of tomorrow.

    Very short notice for many people travelling this evening or tomorrow morning.

    They have made a mess up of this imo, one Catalonian region has had a big spike in cases, all the coastal areas have not, and they have very very little cases..

    Lot's of businesses in Spain will do even worse now and have a smaller chance of survival because of this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo


    It is obvious (to me) that the risk of lock down in the local area you visit or quarantine on return was a large risk so theose returning will just have to accept it


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭ EDit


    It is obvious (to me) that the risk of lock down in the local area you visit or quarantine on return was a large risk so theose returning will just have to accept it

    Agree. Reading this morning about lots of holidaymakers being “devastated” and saying that if they’d known this was a possibility they might not have gone on holiday. You have to wonder where these people have been for the past 4 months for them not to realise that this kind of fluidity is to be expected anywhere, anytime


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,187 ✭✭✭ S.M.B.


    100% agree, I haven't gone beyond a 10km radius in 5 months knowing the complexity and risk that comes with any sort of travel.

    Anyone who travels anywhere, for pleasure or out of necessity, is doing so with the risk of disruption.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭ mick087


    The UKs response dont look good at all.
    But its apparently to early to say this. This is because the way the deaths in the uk and other countries are reported.
    The UK are in the top 3 for deaths per million which is not good. Ireland is number 15 at deaths per million.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,086 ✭✭✭✭ Harry Palmr


    It's as if they weren't looking at the news or something.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,201 ✭✭✭✭ bilston


    UK government have now updated travel advice to 'avoid non essential travel to mainland spain' as of tomorrow.

    Very short notice for many people travelling this evening or tomorrow morning.

    They have made a mess up of this imo, one Catalonian region has had a big spike in cases, all the coastal areas have not, and they have very very little cases..

    Lot's of businesses in Spain will do even worse now and have a smaller chance of survival because of this.

    It's not just Catalonia, there has been a rise in Madrid as well, look maybe they can look again at the islands, but for once this is actually decisive and clear action by the UK govt. Some people are pissed...I probably would be too...but let's be clear...if you choose to go abroad then you run the risk of this happening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭ Dave0301


    EDit wrote: »
    Agree. Reading this morning about lots of holidaymakers being “devastated” and saying that if they’d known this was a possibility they might not have gone on holiday. You have to wonder where these people have been for the past 4 months for them not to realise that this kind of fluidity is to be expected anywhere, anytime

    Well, you have Grant Shapps in Spain at the moment leading by example :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Edward Important Minefield


    mick087 wrote: »
    The UKs response dont look good at all.
    But its apparently to early to say this. This is because the way the deaths in the uk and other countries are reported.
    The UK are in the top 3 for deaths per million which is not good. Ireland is number 15 at deaths per million.

    uk: 2nd worst in the world (after Belgium), factor in also NI & Scots applied their own methods of protection, to avoid following the path of Eng&Wales.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

    And for all the abuse the US get, they're 9th place (Ireland 11th), and behind x5 European countries, for deaths per million.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump


    uk: 2nd worst in the world (after Belgium), factor in also NI & Scots applied their own methods of protection, to avoid following the path of Eng&Wales.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

    And for all the abuse the US get, they're 9th place (Ireland 11th), and behind x5 European countries, for deaths per million.


    The criticism of the US is not based solely off of where they are now, but also the trajectory they are currently on.


    Most European countries had a peak and a fairly quick tailing off. Even the UK graphs show a tailing off. The US hasn't slowed to the same extent.



    Ireland is indeed 11th using that metric. Lets look at the deaths/million on 1st Apr, 1st May, 1st Jun, 1st Jul and today.

    The numbers are about 17, 255, 333, 350 and 356 respectively
    The corresponding numbers for US are about 20, 203, 331, 395, 451


    Roughly equal on 1st Apr, by 1st May we were about 26% more than the US. By 1st June they have "caught up" on us. By 1st July they were about 13% higher than us and now they are about 27% higher. From 1st June to today, Ireland has lost 23 people per million. US has lost 220.





    The US had enough notice to be able to put the brakes on it far earlier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,490 ✭✭✭✭ A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭ mick087


    Apparently Leicester has 1352.4 cases per 100 000 what on earth is going on there.
    Lets hope the UK in not on the green list for sometime to come.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭ Enzokk


    As with the overall response to the pandemic from the UK, its not the actions but the reaction to the actions by the government that puzzles me. Apparently it right to have the quarantine in place for Spain now, but not when the pandemic was at its height. How you get to that conclusion is puzzling, all in an effort not to admit fault.

    Just say, "we were slow to act before but we are right in doing it now." Instead you have ministers looking like idiots who doesn't have any sense trying to defend what is probably the right action.


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