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Fire at Nantes Cathedral

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    #122
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    This boils my p*ss

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    #123
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    The loss of such craftsman ship and history. Soon we'll have a bland culture with no diversity and a list of banned tv shows. The world is gone to hell in a handbasket.


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    #124
    inforfun
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    biko wrote: »
    The Rwandan fella released without charge.
    Investigation continues.

    And now arrested again and he has confessed.

    https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/26/nantes-cathedral-blaze-volunteer-admits-setting-up-fire


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    #125
    Beechwoodspark
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    Absolutely disgusting - I hope he does a long prison spell then back to Rwanda with him


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    #126
    Rodney Bathgate
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    No smoke without fire this time.


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    #127
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    Life will go on without some dusty old church. So long as nobody was injured in this attack, that's the most important thing tbh! :)


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    #128
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    Maybe this was covered already but have they ever found out the cause of the fire at Notre Dame.

    Supposedly, it's a conspiracy theory to suggest it may have been arson. However, has any real investigation of the site occurred?

    This last I heard was that investigators could not access the area due to safety reasons.


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    #129
    splashuum
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    SURPRISE SURPRISE!

    The Rwandan migrant has confessed to burning down the historic church.

    Although I'm sure the usual maniacs here will still find a way to defend him.


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    #130
    splashuum
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    But sure there’s nothing to defend him from? He hasn’t been accused of anything by the French authorities. He’s only regarded as the main suspect by you, even though your own bloody article says otherwise!

    What’s actually laughable is your attempt at guilt by association. Save it for jesus sake, you tried, you failed. Be grand.

    You mean " you failed ". Be grand.:rolleyes:


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    #131
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    splashuum wrote: »
    You mean " you failed ". Be grand.:rolleyes:

    Why does his nationality mean so much to you?


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    #132
    splashuum
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Why does his nationality mean so much to you?

    Does mentioning the nationality of the perp offend you somehow ?


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    #133
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,681 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    splashuum wrote: »
    You mean " you failed ". Be grand.:rolleyes:


    No, I didn’t fail anything because I didn’t accuse anyone without evidence, like you did.


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    #134
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,421 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    splashuum wrote: »
    Does mentioning the nationality of the perp offend you somehow ?

    No, but then I don't have an agenda like you


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    #135
    Annasopra
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    splashuum wrote: »
    SURPRISE SURPRISE!

    The Rwandan migrant has confessed to burning down the historic church.

    Although I'm sure the usual maniacs here will still find a way to defend him.

    So you're jumping with glee because it was a migrant.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #136
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Look at those nasty BBC folks (reporting news and such like), and giving very basic details of the chap that was arrested, they must have 'de agenda' doing this (eyeroll).

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    The NYTimes and thestandard newspapers did it too (for anyone triggered by such simple news reporting of facts).
    What's de world coming too? They even gave his age, the age-ists!
    One of the news outlets called him a man also without asking, he might identify as something else.


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    #137
    MontgomeryClift
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    It looks like the feminists and flying spaghetti monster people are off the hook this time.


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    #138
    splashuum
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    So you're jumping with glee because it was a migrant.

    I am indeed no way jumping with glee at this disgusting crime. I was ridiculed for suggesting that the Rwandan national was the most likely culprit.


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    #139
    One eyed Jack
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    splashuum wrote: »
    I am indeed no way jumping with glee at this disgusting crime. I was ridiculed for suggesting that the Rwandan national was the most likely culprit.


    No, you were ridiculed, rightly, because your own article that you linked to, contradicted your assertion. That’s why I said you tried, and you failed, because you did fail.


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    #140
    jammiedodgers
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    Eason Warm Ufo wrote: »
    Look at those nasty BBC folks (reporting news and such like), and giving very basic details of the chap that was arrested, they must have 'de agenda' doing this (eyeroll).

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    The NYTimes and thestandard newspapers did it too (for anyone triggered by such simple news reporting of facts).
    What's de world coming too? They even gave his age, the age-ists!
    One of the news outlets called him a man also without asking, he might identify as something else.

    I bet they assumed his gender too, the bastards!


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    #141
    biko
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    Has it been clarified why the Rwandan fella went for the church and not something else?
    Right now it seems like an opportunistic fire and not religious/terroistic.


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    #142
    inforfun
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    Apparently he was a volunteer there for quite a while already.
    But his asylum had been refused so he set the place on fire. As you do.


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    #143
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Arson investigators probe fires at Weymouth church


    This was a targetted attack.
    The arson investigation at the Catholic church comes in the wake of two desecration incidents at Catholic churches in Boston last month. A statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary was set ablaze outside St. Peter’s Parish in Dorchester on the same mid-July night when a barrel was placed over another Virgin Mary statue outside St. Teresa of Calcutta Parish.

    While I understand that in this day and age a fair few people are not religious while the vast majority are respectful to those who are. Im Catholic and when I see these kinds of attacks feels like their intentionally ignored as they become globally visible. It makes me that sad & angry it becomes frightening. I know for a fact Im not the only Catholic who feels like this or feels these kind of emotions, but nothing reported in the media etc in the same way other religions are protected through coverage.


    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/03/arson-investigators-probe-incident-at-weymouth-church/


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    #144
    RandomName2
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    splashuum wrote: »
    The Rwandan migrant has confessed to burning down the historic church.

    I think his being a migrant is likely to be merely coincidental. Without further evidence I'd assume that he has got mental issues.

    For it to be agenda based It'd almost absolutely have to be anti-Catholic. That's likely to be religion vs religion or militant secularism (read Communist) vs religion.

    Rwanda isn't an isalmic country, nor does it have much of a communist presence there as far as I know.

    Furthermore the guy confessed. I assume that if they had had enough evidence to charge him they simply would have.

    Consequently I'd say that mental issues were the main thing, which essentially makes it random.


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    #145
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    I think his being a migrant is likely to be merely coincidental.
    Yet this Cathedral hasn't been burned down by any natives for hundreds and hundreds of years.
    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Without further evidence I'd assume that he has got mental issues.
    For which (i.e. he is just a mental), you make subjective assumptions with 'zero evidence' to back them.
    RandomName2 wrote: »
    For it to be agenda based It'd almost absolutely have to be anti-Catholic. That's likely to be religion vs religion or militant secularism (read Communist) vs religion. Rwanda isn't an isalmic country, nor does it have much of a communist presence there as far as I know.
    This was an attack on the culture or representation of France itself, after his asylum application in France was rejected. Hence clear motive: 'Angry at France' (and it's culture, or idols/icons of France). x3 seperate ignition points shows planning, this was not an impulse based mental action. But an act of hatred and anger in direct response to an unworthy asylum applicaiton.
    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Furthermore the guy confessed. I assume that if they had had enough evidence to charge him they simply would have.
    Furthermore, the guy only confessed when new additional evidence was presented to him. Pleading guility in light of new evidence is the smart thing to do in calculated attempt to reduce the pending sentance.
    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Consequently I'd say that mental issues were the main thing, which essentially makes it random.
    Random? Jibberish.

    Again your views are made without any evidence of lad being a 'mental' or classed with any form of insanity (temporary or otherwise).


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    #146
    RandomName2
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    Eason Warm Ufo wrote: »
    after his asylum application in France was rejected.

    Do you have any source for that? It changes a lot.


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    #147
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    This lad Emmanuel A, was ordered to leave France in March 2020.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/asylum-seeker-charged-blaze-threatened-nantes-cathedral/

    Immigration laws in France have closed many loopholes, and come with harsher penalties (esp for false photoID: hence the 200per day or so heading for Dover on small boats, nevermind the HGV's and car roof boxes). Time for appeals has been cut short, and process request times shortened.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20180421-macron-controversial-immigration-bill-vote-parliament-weekend
    As Macron said himself in recent years:
    “France cannot take in all the misery of the world"


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    #148
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Eason Warm Ufo wrote: »
    This lad Emmanuel A, was ordered to leave France in March 2020.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/asylum-seeker-charged-blaze-threatened-nantes-cathedral/


    Ah that changes matters entirely. Revenge terrorism for fake asylum claims being refused is nothing new.


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    #149
    topper75
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    Eason Warm Ufo wrote: »
    As Macron said himself in recent years:

    No country can manage it.

    Ideologues like Merkel want all western European nations to try anyway. Politics in Europe is going to get nasty this century. It is inevitable.


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    #150
    splashuum
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    So this week a Somalian has been arrested for torching churches in Norway. 2.2m in damage.
    I struggle to fathom why people still believe there is zero chance that Notre Dame was torched? Are people really that naive?


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    #151
    TheBlackPill
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    topper75 wrote: »
    No country can manage it.

    Ideologues like Merkel want all western European nations to try anyway. Politics in Europe is going to get nasty this century. It is inevitable.

    Politics gets nasty every century in Europe. French Revolution, Napolean, color revolutions of 1848, Scramble for Africa, Rise Communism, Rise of Fascism.
    Though on the bright side, as European international influence wanes, the rest of the world won't be sucked into European issues as much


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