Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492425#Comment_122492425

i had mox crosses, pure tanks of cows, 4th calvers go down last year. Don't a pile of suckler cross's go down around the country

raindodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492347#Comment_122492347

Got back in again at a lower level,with the thoughts i want to quit on my terms .Brought home to me how vunerable we are as self employed. Mentally it taught me i wasnt half as tough as i thought i was. Had a lad that was very interested would hunt you out of parlour hardly came into yard again now in australia

jaymla627

department vet upgraded the 11 as reactors and wont be getting any compensation as had to go in with epricis a month ago and will be another 30 days before they are able to be slaughtered, was fairly snotty about it too, cows needed a worm dose at the time and it needed to be done

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493931#Comment_122493931

what you mean you wont be getting compensation….?? under no circumstances do ya allow those cattle to be removed until you sort that out

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493993#Comment_122493993

new rules brought in

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Will the factory even give us their actual value, they'd all kill into 280kgs plus deadweight fat scores would be good so their worth circa 1000 euro

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493931#Comment_122493931

fook that …..I’d be fighting that with both Barells and get outside help if that’s the way they want to play

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493931#Comment_122493931

This no dosing about around the time of a herd test is BS. Mine is the end of the month and I recently did cattle for lung worm with pour on. It would have been impossible to do 20-30 heavy finishing cattle with an oral dose. If the stores need dosing it would be an injection. With tge withdrawal periods on medicines you could not treat anything fir 30-70 days before a test depending on what you need to treat

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493931#Comment_122493931

And after that you will still only get a reduced price per kg of dogfood. You'll be down to 400 euro a cow factory price. No you may fight that. That's too much a drop to take. And you have done nothing wrong to get to this.

And with 11 down they'll definitely be pushing bloods. And more than likely that'll take a share more too.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494071#Comment_122494071

Say the cows in question are clear in factory and on cultures, will they still keep us locked up and needing to get twoclear tests to get de-restricted, thinking back the vets dosing gun started acting up mid testing and he had to change it, could be a case of the above that lead to inaccurate test

Working out the financals, these cows gone would leave us down 20k in milk sales for the year, and another 15k to replace them

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494095#Comment_122494095

just personally. I was clear in factory. But they put me down for a blood test before the results came back. I was told culture tests are not done anymore. But from others commentating it seems who you are dealing with and what form they may be in. Then I went down with more in bloods. And these were my best cows. I'm getting left with the worst that I'd normally cull but forced to milk on to have something coming in.

I don't know Jay. It sounds to me like you are in for it now. You may push them on everything now.

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494007#Comment_122494007

thats a bloody farce…. may get test done this year before we start drying off cows… my god there is literally no limit to how low the Dept will go… fight them all the way to the bitter end…

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494125#Comment_122494125

the people looking after TB in the DVO's are a bit like the people looking after nitrates… there are so many rules and regulations being brought in they are lost themselves as to what they are supposed to be doing

Jb1989

Another vote for fight. Wouldn't even contemplate accepting a statement for no compo

V6400

Another vote for a fight and not a quiet one. **** like that needs to be highlighted and made public knowledge, how many farmers actually know or think about a rule like that. What about young stock, cant dose for a month or more before a test, they could be in an awful state then and maybe a pneumonia risk when eventually dosed. If the department take an animal off a farm they should pay for it, end of story.

straight

I heard about a local man caught with the long withdrawal on epricis before.

It's an animal welfare issue anyway. Sick animals need to be treated and that's the end of it. I was helping out my organic neighbour before as he had the vet dosing his stock for him. I said I thought organic stock couldn't get that. The Vet just said sick animals need to be treated. There is no debate.

K.G.

It's the confluence of 2 rule set neither of which can be overridden.the dept are just going to play it by the rules and anyone who tries to fight the dept usually loses out in some shape or form but politically there may be some leeway so I d get onto my local politicians and keep climbing the ladder.its going to be a ministerial decision anyway

whelan2

I'd go to ifa, or another farm organisation. How were you to know you were going to go down in the tb test.

whelan2

Didn't milk until 8pm last night, milked at 5am yesterday morning. Wasnt a bother on the cows when we went to get them in last night was half tempted not to milk them until this morning

kevthegaff

I have a few paddocks that are fairly strong that were taken for bales earlier, should I take em out again(silage will be tight )

Say my name

That rule was drawn up to countenance farmers keeping reactors against the depts wishes for the good of the "national" herd.

A jobsbody in Jay's case has just used it for not what it was intended for.

Rock up tomorrow with the cows in a trailer to the dvo office.

He's going to have to have back up from our unions and farmers and make a scene. IF they don't inform him prior they've made a mistake and the jobs body unintentionally misinterpreted the rule.

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494932#Comment_122494932

Was just about to suggest similar. IFA have an animal health committee and TB is a regular topic on their agenda. Even if you're not a member, you could give your county rep a shout

https://www.ifa.ie/cross-sector-committees/animal-health-committee/

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494932#Comment_122494932

We havent had a reactor here in 40 years, had a few doubtful cows back in 2018 and they passed a retest and all killed out clean as a whistle when they where culled down through the years, milk advisor rang us this evening re dumpimg their milk/segregating them and she wasnt even aware of the new rules, will be a fair pisstake when on a 60 day testing regieme and drying of cows will the same rules apply

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495931#Comment_122495931

I often heard of farmers having to hold cows until the withdrawal period is over. It just seems your department vet is acting the maggot about the compensation. The time limits are for lads not agreeing with a value for stock.
What difference will drying off cows make, dry cow tubes are short withdrawal times.

Finty Lemon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493931#Comment_122493931

Were the stock dosed before or after notification to test was issued?

Sheep breeder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493931#Comment_122493931

You wouldn’t happen to be in the lily white area, new Senior vet there and making up his own rules and causing lots of grief for farmers, marts, and recent sheep sales as per the article in the journal. New dept vets are 9 to 5 men and no interest in helping farmers.

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495931#Comment_122495931

You will have to find a way to get the compensation as I saw a farmers return for fr cow reactors from the factory. 1.50 a kg. His 4 cows made 1300 and something. So the department will have to fork out 7000 to get to his valuation price.

cute geoge

At the earliest the cows wont be slaughtered for 14 days and that with you agreeing to 1st valuation. It would not be 2 hard to delay this to 30 days ,by 1st delay the inspection by the dept vet a few days

2. Disagree with the valuation and get them valued again .

3. Have a friendly chat with haulier and delay collection a few days.

You should have slaughter pushed out to 30 days if you follow the above ,no need to get in argument with dept over stupid rules.

orm0nd

Re dosing. If the animals are dosed b4 you receive notice of the test you're fine. Neighbour had heifers dosed and they were left back until withdrawal was up. Think he had 3 collections at different times.

If stock need treatment after notice recd. get your vet to certify same.

If you have difficulty giving oral drench get a good head scoop

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497081#Comment_122497081

problem there is 60 days to next test dosnt kick in till day animals leave your farm ….appealing valuation won’t gain much of any time as it can happen same day or following day if not happy then goes to arbitration but sinmals still go….from breakdown to removal 7/10 days usually ….my reactors going this morning ….went down last Friday week (11days ….that’s with 2 weekends )….friendly chat with haulier to delay won’t work ….they are given a list to work off and would have to report back any descripencies

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496931#Comment_122496931

yes i am