Graham Linehan banned from twitter for questioning "trans ideology"

LLMMLL

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Googled 'real women'. Third result was Urban dictionary:

'Real Women
Women who are usually overweight (fat, fluffy, etc), loud, bitchy and obnoxious. Women in this category have adopted this term in lieu of being called BBW or plus sized and since over 70 percent of women fall in that group, they are not too far from the truth.
Bertha: Real Women have curves, honey!!

Dave: No, FAT women have curves, now shaddup so I can finish milking you!!'

Maybe in our new sexless utopia this can be the new definition of women. Is this what you think, is this why you never gave us your definition? Because it's that one above?

The others were something to do with a rabbi, crohns disease and then their was Real women of Canada, a socially Conservative advocacy group. I don't see how this helps your argument at all.

I actually got completely different results. I wonder why Google ranked your results with socially conservative groups and insulting definitions of women at the top.......

Might want to clear the browser history

CtevenSrowder

Gruffalox wrote: »

Well my gast is simply flabbered that there are people on here with usernames from American cop shows! :eek:

Haha not quite. Steven Crowder is an American Conservative. He does a segment called change my mind. Its for the most part pretty ****, maybe the odd good one. I've never made it the full way through though.

Tropic Thunder was a film released in 2008 I think. There is a character in it called simple jack, whose mentally disabled.

One eyed Jack

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

The difference is the advantages men have on average over women. Even if womens football had the same funding as the men's, there is no chance of any of them making it as a professional. Even the semi pro and amateur lgs would be completely dominated by men.

The difference is biological.

But we’ve already seen how the US team trounced the Thai team and ne’er a man in sight? So yes, biology is one factor, skill is another, development of the sport is another.

It’s not simply a question of sex as many of the top female athletes will run rings around all women and most men. So fairness has to be decided by other factors which determine what is fair. It’s one of the questions facing sports bodies more and more as the sports such as athletics become popular in other underdeveloped countries and people who are transgender are beginning to compete in sports.

The sports themselves are going to have to be developed to accommodate changes in society rather than sticking with tradition.

LLMMLL

FVP3 wrote: »

There is a movement to unisex changing rooms in response to trans ideologies, hence the rise in cases.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6819195/Primark-sparks-changing-room-row.html

I'm missing the bit in that link that says there has been any negative consequences. Maybe you could quote it?

CtevenSrowder

LLMMLL wrote: »

I actually got completely different results. I wonder why Google ranked your results with socially conservative groups and insulting definitions of women at the top.......

Might want to clear the browser history

That's not how Google works, unfortunately.

CtevenSrowder

One eyed Jack wrote: »

But we’ve already seen how the US team trounced the Thai team and ne’er a man in sight? So yes, biology is one factor, skill is another, development of the sport is another.

It’s not simply a question of sex as many of the top female athletes will run rings around all women and most men. So fairness has to be decided by other factors which determine what is fair. It’s one of the questions facing sports bodies more and more as the sports such as athletics become popular in other underdeveloped countries and people who are transgender are beginning to compete in sports.

The sports themselves are going to have to be developed to accommodate changes in society rather than sticking with tradition.

On average Jack. The average male professional footballer will be superior the average female professional footballer because they are naturally stronger, quicker etc. etc.

LLMMLL

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

That's not how Google works, unfortunately.

It actually is.

FVP3

LLMMLL wrote: »

Ok so a table.doesnt have to have legs. Does it have to be a flat surface? Say a piece of furniture had 4 legs and was the same size as your kitchen table, but had an interesting design that wasn't actually flat. Would it no longer be a table?

Yes, any reasonable table would have to be flat on top. Design a table to look like a lampshade and people would call it a lampshade. Design it so all cutlery falls off and it wont work as a table, so it isn't one.

Science depends on agreed definitions. For example:

The metre is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299 792 458 of a second.

And there is no real problem in biology with the idea of sexual dimorphism either, the minor occurrences of intersex aside.

AndrewJRenko

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh this Tactic again, going after people based on their username. Did you ever stop to think that the username is not supportive of Steven Crowder? Say Cteven Srowder in the voice of Simple Jack, it might help you understand what I'm getting at.

I've no idea who Simple Jack is.

So just to be clear, you don't subscribe to any of Crowder's views;

In June 2019, YouTube investigated Crowder for using racist and homophobic slurs targeting Carlos Maza in multiple videos reacting to the Vox series Strikethrough, which Maza hosts. Crowder referred to Maza as "Mr. Lispy queer", an "angry little queer", and a "gay Mexican", and mocked him with a stereotypical gay voice, sometimes while wearing a t-shirt with Che Guevara on it that said "Socialism is for f*gs [sic]".[4]

CtevenSrowder

LLMMLL wrote: »

It actually is.

It isn't. You are thinking of ads, which use cookies to give you relevant ads based on, for example, prior search history. It is not how the search function works. So you are wrong, as usual.

https://clutch.co/seo-firms/resources/how-google-determines-ranking-search-results-pages

Stark

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

That's not how Google works, unfortunately.

Seriously?

It's common knowledge that Google personalizes your search results. Even when you're logged out apparently https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/4/18124718/google-search-results-personalized-unique-duckduckgo-filter-bubble

FVP3

LLMMLL wrote: »

I'm missing the bit in that link that says there has been any negative consequences. Maybe you could quote it?

I have already done that. Twice. You know this. You responded to my facts with whataboutary. Twice.

That link, of course wasn't about the higher dangers of unisex changing rooms , it was making my point that unisex changing rooms are spreading in order to easier facilitate trans people.

FVP3

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It isn't. You are thinking of ads, which use cookies to give you relevant ads based on, for example, prior search history. It is not how the search function works. So you are wrong, as usual.

https://clutch.co/seo-firms/resources/how-google-determines-ranking-search-results-pages

She is right on that one. Normal searches are also tailored to your posing history, and location, and even age or whatever else they can glean about you.

LLMMLL

FVP3 wrote: »

Yes, any reasonable table would have to be flat on top. Design a table to look like a lampshade and people would call it a lampshade. Design it so all cutlery falls off and it wont work as a table, so it isn't one.

Science depends on agreed definitions. For example:

The metre is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299 792 458 of a second.

And there is no real problem in biology with the idea of sexual dimorphism either, the minor occurrences of intersex aside.

https://www.finewoodworking.com/2013/05/05/curved-surfaces-in-sketchup

So I assume this is not a table even though it's described as such as it does not have a flat surface?

Was the creator of this piece of furniture mistaken in calling it a table?

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I've no idea who Simple Jack is.

So just to be clear, you don't subscribe to any of Crowder's views;

I don't know his views on everything. Considering he's an American Conservative I imagine we disagree on abortion, gun ownership, health care, maybe same sex marriage I dunno, cost of education, level of taxation and I don't know what else.

LLMMLL

FVP3 wrote: »

I have already done that. Twice. You know this. You responded to my facts with whataboutary. Twice.

That link, of course wasn't about the higher dangers of unisex changing rooms , it was making my point that unisex changing rooms are spreading in order to easier facilitate trans people.

And it is not trans people who are posing a danger to anyone.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I don't know his views on everything. Considering he's an American Conservative I imagine we disagree on abortion, gun ownership, health care, maybe same sex marriage I dunno, cost of education, level of taxation and I don't know what else.

NO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME VIEWS OF THE GUY WHOSE NAME YOU JUMBLED UP FOR YOUR USERNAME. THAT’S THE RULE.

Quantum Erasure

One eyed Jack wrote: »

But we’ve already seen how the US team trounced the Thai team and ne’er a man in sight? So yes, biology is one factor, skill is another, development of the sport is another.

this is for hand grip strength, just the first graph that came up when i googled average male v female strength




about 3/4 of men were stronger than the strongest woman

Gruffalux

Lookit, there is a simple test to sort out all this. It is a little obvious and rude but oh well.

The rude question that divides the girls from the boys, or the ideologues, who insist that a transman IS a man or a transwoman IS a woman, from the rest, is... do you personally have a genital preference?




If you are a gay man do you want penis in your life or (honestly now) will man pussy be quite okay? If you are a lesbian, do you want pussy or will (honestly now) lady dick be hardly noticeably different? If you are a straight man do you also want pussy or (honestly now!) will a womanly c-ck be almost the same to wake up to? If you are a straight woman do you want penis or (yup, honestly now) will a manly fanny do the job?





If you truly honestly make no differentiation then congrats you have passed the test and really walk the talk and believe transwomen are women and transmen are men. Yay!
If you have even a smidgeon of a genital preference then tough news but you are a bigoted transphobe, biological essentialist :mad: and you should probably lose your job or something. Or at the very least be loudly shouted out.

CtevenSrowder

LLMMLL wrote: »

It actually is.

Apologies so. I'll get off the high horse. I thought you'd to be signed into an account for your search history to count.

Gruffalux

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Haha not quite. Steven Crowder is an American Conservative. He does a segment called change my mind. Its for the most part pretty ****, maybe the odd good one. I've never made it the full way through though.

Tropic Thunder was a film released in 2008 I think. There is a character in it called simple jack, whose mentally disabled.

Andrew J Renko however.... :eek::eek::eek:

One eyed Jack

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

On average Jack. The average male professional footballer will be superior the average female professional footballer because they are naturally stronger, quicker etc. etc.

But we’re comparing women with women when we compare the US women’s team performance with the Thai women’s team? You can’t really talk about averages in elite sports, because the athletes themselves are anything but an average representation of women?

Scientific research has concluded for example that testosterone levels among female athletes are higher than testosterone levels among the general female population and when I went to google that to find the article, I found this one instead, which makes the point that it’s opening something of a can of worms that the IAAF and the IOC would probably rather remain firmly closed :pac:


“Men usually have higher levels of testosterone in the blood than women, but not always, since hormone levels in the blood depend on a lot of different factors such as age, health conditions, other medications, menstrual cycle and stress,” said Bekker, an applied health scientist at the University of Bath.

“Based on these circumstances, there can be overlap between blood levels of testosterone in some men and women, and especially athletes,” she said, adding that many factors – including access to training and funding – all contribute to who becomes a winning athlete.

Bekker and Tannenbaum argued there were no clear lines in the sand about what a “male” or “female” level of testosterone was, pointing to one study in which 74 of 446 male athletes had testosterone levels below the “normal male” lower limit of 8.4 nmol/L while 32 of 234 female athletes had levels above the upper “normal female” limit of 2.7 nmol/L. Eleven female athletes had levels over 8 nmol/L.

“What we are seeing is the policing of women’s bodies, problematically framed as fairness or protecting other women,” said Bekker. “We don’t need to be protected from women just as men in sport aren’t protected from other men.”

Bekker said focusing on natural levels of testosterone in women raised further issues. “This is about natural testosterone levels. Are we going to go to a point where we are banning people who are tall from playing basketball or swimmers with long arms? Those are also natural advantages,” she said.


Testosterone limits for female athletes not backed by science, say academics


The point really being that simply focusing on hormone levels as a measure of who can or can not compete in any given sport is misleading. It’s like zeroing in on women in prison and saying they’ll be abused if there is Self-ID, ignoring the fact that 93% of the abuse women experience in prisons already is perpetrated by other women! Sounds to me like those women committing abuse should be kept away from other women, perhaps in solitary confinement, rather than punishing their victims by sticking them in a “safe space”.

AndrewJRenko

Gruffalox wrote: »

Andrew J Renko however.... :eek::eek::eek:

is a fictional character. Do we need to do a Fr Dougal small/far away explanation on the difference between fiction and real life?

Gruffalux

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

is a fictional character. Do we need to do a Fr Dougal small/far away explanation on the difference between fiction and real life?

From an AMERICAN show! How is that even allowed on here?! Was an Irish Garda name not good enough for ya? Shocked I tells ya. :eek:

:pac:

CtevenSrowder

One eyed Jack wrote: »

But we’re comparing women with women when we compare the US women’s team performance with the Thai women’s team? You can’t really talk about averages in elite sports, because the athletes themselves are anything but an average representation of women?

Scientific research has concluded for example that testosterone levels among female athletes are higher than testosterone levels among the general female population and when I went to google that to find the article, I found this one instead, which makes the point that it’s opening something of a can of worms that the IAAF and the IOC would probably rather remain firmly closed :pac:


“Men usually have higher levels of testosterone in the blood than women, but not always, since hormone levels in the blood depend on a lot of different factors such as age, health conditions, other medications, menstrual cycle and stress,” said Bekker, an applied health scientist at the University of Bath.

“Based on these circumstances, there can be overlap between blood levels of testosterone in some men and women, and especially athletes,” she said, adding that many factors – including access to training and funding – all contribute to who becomes a winning athlete.

Bekker and Tannenbaum argued there were no clear lines in the sand about what a “male” or “female” level of testosterone was, pointing to one study in which 74 of 446 male athletes had testosterone levels below the “normal male” lower limit of 8.4 nmol/L while 32 of 234 female athletes had levels above the upper “normal female” limit of 2.7 nmol/L. Eleven female athletes had levels over 8 nmol/L.

“What we are seeing is the policing of women’s bodies, problematically framed as fairness or protecting other women,” said Bekker. “We don’t need to be protected from women just as men in sport aren’t protected from other men.”

Bekker said focusing on natural levels of testosterone in women raised further issues. “This is about natural testosterone levels. Are we going to go to a point where we are banning people who are tall from playing basketball or swimmers with long arms? Those are also natural advantages,” she said.


Testosterone limits for female athletes not backed by science, say academics


The point really being that simply focusing on hormone levels as a measure of who can or can not compete in any given sport is misleading. It’s like zeroing in on women in prison and saying they’ll be abused if there is Self-ID, ignoring the fact that 93% of the abuse women experience in prisons already is perpetrated by other women! Sounds to me like those women committing abuse should be kept away from other women, perhaps in solitary confinement, rather than punishing their victims by sticking them in a “safe space”.

The comparison between women and women does not matter. The comparison that matters is between men and women.

And you can absolutely talk of the average amongst those who are elite. Elite male sportsmen are superior (on average) then elite female sportspeople. The only sport I'm aware that this is may not be the case is ultra long distance running, think I read that somewhere but I'd have to check.

Quantum Erasure

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

this is for hand grip strength, just the first graph that came up when i googled average male v female strength
...

about 3/4 of men were stronger than the strongest woman

and this, comparing young adult men, women, and elite female athletes

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

is a fictional character. Do we need to do a Fr Dougal small/far away explanation on the difference between fiction and real life?

Is this Andrew Renko from that American cop TV show that came up in my search? I hope not, considering it says he's also a redneck. A redneck cop. Sounds racist. Are you racist Andrew?

AndrewJRenko

Gruffalox wrote: »

From an AMERICAN show! How is that even allowed on here?! Was an Irish Garda name not good enough for ya? Shocked I tells ya. :eek:

:pac:

Quantum Erasure

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do we need to do a Fr Dougal small/far away explanation on the difference between fiction and real life?

this thread may not be the appropriate place for that....

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Did I pass your purity test that you set me earlier?