The National Party

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133498#Comment_122133498

Probably true, but not every lefty is a socialist in the sane way not every righty is a Fascist

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133498#Comment_122133498

That is utter utter nonsense.

I can define myself a socialist without any reference to Engels or Marx.

Marx is dead since 1883 and Engels since 1895.

But in your world modern socialists have to inherently be interested in them.

🤣🤣🤣

Shoog

Never read a single word of Marx or Engels, but of course why would I been a centrist.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133498#Comment_122133498

So is a large portion of the electorate from both sides if the political spectrum, what's your point?

The National Party is going to being back fearing God and its a good thing?

Would explain the anti-abortion policies....

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131689#Comment_122131689

But YOU are not The Public , Beechwoodspark , no matter how much a man of the people you think you are .

Nobody here can say they speak for everyone just give our opinions, post a few links . Try to make a coherent argument for something .

Most people tend to not embarass themselves though by giving uneducated opinions , like why they support a party or politician without at least discussing what their policies are !

I don't really care who you vote for, especially as you don't seem to either .

francois

There were of course the liberation theologians in south & central America. Archbishop Romero, murdered by the El Salvador fascist government had a great quote:

‘When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.’

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133741#Comment_122133741

Sorry … what???

I never said I am “the public” nor do I think I am!

I Havnt a bull’s notion what you are on about.

I am an undecided voter. Considering where to place my John Hancock on polling day.

That’s the whole 9 yards of it, nothing more.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133026#Comment_122133026

Instead of clutching those pearls harder, maybe try and understand the guy(s) you're shilling for.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133971#Comment_122133971

We eagerly await the next right conspiracy theory or failed politician you promote in thread.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133531#Comment_122133531

Clearly you haven't.

Socialism and religion are like oil and water.

You proposed that Jesus was a socialist, which is a bit like saying dinosaurs were socialists, you're applying modern ideas to a time in the past where they didn't yet exist.

Jesus we're told, was good, so obviously he was a socialist, anyone can play that game if they like, doesn't make it any more believable.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133971#Comment_122133971

We both know there will be no video from Pepper about this kind of threatening behaviour. What do you see as his criteria for choosing which attacks against women he features?

https://twitter.com/ruthcoppingersp/status/1790048339498565863?s=46&t=3l1OhjvjsuAh4w9RMjlH8g

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132896#Comment_122132896

I could find dozens and dozens and dozens of examples where Philip Dwyer shows himself up to be the extremist hatemongering scumbag he is. Of course people will pull you up on your shilling and pathetic attempts to sanitise an extremist hatemonger.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133971#Comment_122133971

Yes I am aware you haven't a bull's notion as you have said yourself !

Anybody with an ounce of sense would look a little more closely at those they are thinking of voting for .

Unless of course you have and are just reluctant in your 'advertising' of these guys to tell all that you know, just dropping the odd untruth and hoping people take the bait ?

Which I will no more ..

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134245#Comment_122134245

Since when have you become the gatekeeper for what and who is socialist?

I mean you are wrong and and even a cursory glance at the Wikipedia page for socialism would have demonstrated that but hey ho. You gatekeep socialism in the 21st century of that's what makes you feel good.

👍🏿💪🏿

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132896#Comment_122132896

I just watched the first two minutes and Joe Doocey introduces himself as someone who's a victim of 24 years of corruption from the Guards, the judges, three years in prison - what is it you were saying about "no smoke without fire"…?

Had to turn it off - so much victim complex.

The other problem is that it's not about Dwyer. Dwyer is the one conducting the interview - fair enough - but you don't learn anything about him and his ideas or polcies from it.

It's also probably not a good idea to open up an inteview mentioning Jack Charlton going fishing when you're running an anti-imigration ticket.

Yakov P. Golyadkin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134259#Comment_122134259

Acts of the Apostles 4.32-37

"32 - Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. 33 - With great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 - There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. 35 -They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. 36 - There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). 37 - He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet."

Galatians 3:28

"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Of course socialism as a term hadn't been coined in those times but if you really think there is no comparison between the behaviour and teachings of Jesus, the disciples, the apostles, the broader early Christian community, and socialism you should educate yourself, my friend

https://www.amazon.co.uk/All-Things-Common-Practices-Christians/dp/1532607911

Galwayguy35

Coppiner is living in la la land if she thinks she will be elected.

Hard lefters are not popular anymore in working class areas since immigration became a hot topic.

I despise left leaning parties but any sort of threatening behaviour no matter who is doing it is unacceptable and should be condemned.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134790#Comment_122134790

To be fair, Ireland generally doesn't like far-anything. Look at any election in the past and the far left and right are really just fringe parties (assuming you put the center-marker in a reasonably balanced position, of course)

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134790#Comment_122134790

Coppiner is living in la la land if she thinks she will be elected.

To Fingal County Council? I'm not a close student of Dublin local politics but I can't believe as a former TD she's that long a shot…

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134882#Comment_122134882

PBP are getting serious heat lately.

I just can't see her getting in.

Time will tell.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134259#Comment_122134259

Clearly you know nothing of jesus's life then.

concerned_tenant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133455#Comment_122133455

All religions do.

It's funny how Christians are the only ones who get targeted (by some).

And I say that as an atheist myself.

The National Party may rally behind the Christian flag, so to speak, for all the non-good that will serve them, but what's surprising is that Christianity will be attacked in ways that no other religion is, when we can all recognize that all religions have the same core anti-liberal slant that animates their action.

osarusan

I aM an UnDeCidEd voTeR.

Hungry Burger

I have no doubt at this stage a handful of “Far Right” councillors will be elected in parts of the country.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135169#Comment_122135169

"undecided" shill 🙂

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135162#Comment_122135162

Generally speaking they do, because liberals are more likely to believe in a more spiritual and personal connection than a higher power (should you believe one to exist) than a religious one.

The problem I have with with the national party (and the similarly minded parties) - and more so than an immigration stance - is their so-called "moral" codes. They believe in law and order, but a lot of their candidates (and an ex-leader) have criminal records, frequently for violence; Dwyer's got criminal charges for violence, animal abuse and thinks it's ok for unknown men to go into creches.

They want to bring back a ban on abortion (on what grounds can someone support them if they're an athiest?) and I can only imagine what they'll do the gay and trans community if their leader remembers Mussolini with fondness. Are they doing to abandon secularism and bring back the "special place of the catholic church"?

And that's before we get to the fabricated child kidnapping events, organised riots and threatening politicians.

Yet THESE are the guys you think can be trusted with to be upstanding moral politicians…?

Why?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135147#Comment_122135147

You have proof that Jesus was a socialist? Actual proof now, not just your interpretation of the Bible.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135350#Comment_122135350

Sorry to jump in, but how do you proove anything about Jesus without the Bible? It's not like there were cameras or eyewitnesses.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135393#Comment_122135393

TBH, you can't even prove or disprove anything about Jesus even with the Bible.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133027#Comment_122133027

Well, an example of Liberals using religious language/ideas is the claim in US Declaration of Independence that it is "self-evident that all men are created equal" and "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights".

And favouring the separation of Church and State is entirely consistent with appealing to religious ideas. Remember, the orignal justification for the separation of church and state was not that it was good for the state, but that it was good for the church; separation of church and state was the cornerstone of the free exercise of religion. You can support the separation of church and state out of purely religious motivations, and lots of people do.

Obviously, there are democrats and liberals who eschew religious language and imagery but, equally, there are authoritarians and tyrants who do too — Mao, for instance, or Stalin, or the Mexican dictatorship in the 1920s and 30s.