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    #3572
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122384#Comment_122122384

    The right will never forgive her for exposing the truth about the death of Savita Halappanavar and they will do everything possible to blacken her name.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3573
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122682#Comment_122122682

    It seems there are quite a few on boards who will defend the most reprensible sorts.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3574
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122726#Comment_122122726

    "I'd never heard of them before"

    Remarkably, that's what they all say.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3575
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128742#Comment_122128742

    Would you abuse a male journalist in the same fashion?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3576
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130584#Comment_122130584

    Eight o'clock is a bit early for this sort of post.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3577
    beeker1
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭beeker1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130679#Comment_122130679

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0503/1447299-court-joshua-doolan/



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    #3578
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131308#Comment_122131308

    Yeah, foreign cultures like Catholicism for instance. 😂

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3579
    Hamachi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131359#Comment_122131359

    No. I wouldn’t, would you?


    You’d probably bore them to tedium with yet another inane rant about the Catholic Church or something.



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    #3580
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,002 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130922#Comment_122130922

    Is that aimed at me? The only ones I am calling fascists here are the National Party, because they're fascists.

    When people are actually fascists, like the National Party, we should be firm about using it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3581
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,805 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131339#Comment_122131339

    Is that what it comes back to? FFS.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131390#Comment_122131390

    This didn't happen. Your nonsense is pathetically transparent, honestly.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3582
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,279 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131425#Comment_122131425

    RCC has always been a big fan of fascism, and all the Irish fascists endorse the RCC too, funny that.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3583
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,805 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131505#Comment_122131505

    Yes. They were very much down with fascism in 1936 Spain (also after).

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3584
    Hamachi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131505#Comment_122131505

    Yes, yes, everybody is a big dirty fascist who spends their free time goose stepping up and down church aisles singing Ave Maria and stalking Kitty Holland on Instagram.



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    #3585
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131531#Comment_122131531

    If the number of fascists in this country were as high as some on this thread are assuming, then the National Party's poll ratings would be through the roof.

    But it isn't, because there aren't that many actual fascists in this country — and that's a good thing.

    Unless of course, someone can produce those opinion polls showing the NP with a high rating?

    It's almost as if some people want a phantom "fascist" threat to exist for the sake of fighting against it. I'd almost argue it's a form of paranoia.

    Those who are deep will strive for clarity, while those who wish to appear deep strive for obscurity and seek to muddy their waters, for everything seems deep to ‘the many’ if only they can’t see the bottom - and they hate going into the water themselves.

    — Friedrich Nietzsche



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    #3586
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131511#Comment_122131511

    But, in fairness, perhaps not so much in Ireland. Ireland is striking as the only new state emerging in Europe after the Great War not to fall to fascism in one form or another in the 1920s and 1930s, but to remain a functioning multi-party democracy. Given that the influence of the Catholic church over the new state was very great, if the church was so keen on fascism, how are we to explain this?

    If we actually look for examples of the Catholic church promoting fascism in Ireland in the '20s and '30s — well, there aren't many to be found. There was next to no church engagement with, or promotion of, the Blueshirts, for example. While fascists in Ireland could be quite vocal about their Catholicism or Christianity and often claimed a Catholic or Christian motivation, that's something that characterises them, rather than Catholicism. Catholics tended not to return the favour. The conclusion has to be that, actually, the Catholic church had zero interest in promoting fascism in Ireland. If they had, the history of Ireland might have been very different.

    We see the same today. Some of the many tiny hard-right organisations that are now emerging tend to trumpe their Catholicism or Christianity, but their is precious little evidence of much support or encouragement going in the other direction. Mostly, my impression is, those who honk about their Christianity are doing so in support of their Islamophobia.



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    #3587
    Hamachi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Delete.

    Post edited by Hamachi on


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    #3588
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,805 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131547#Comment_122131547

    In fairness, the Czechoslovaks did alright until their country got partitioned.

    I don't think Ireland is a fair example. The Republicans in Spain stared to pare back the Church's privileges and separating Church and State. In Ireland, they had a strong ally in de Valera. Also, Ireland is quite a monocultural country whereas Spain suffered with Carlists pushing claims to the throne from Navarre, Basques and Catalans demanding autonomy, and the rise of Syndicalism, Communism, and Socialism. Anarchism played a huge role in the civil war as well so the Church threw its lot in the with Falangists, Carlists, and Nationalists and, with the exception of a few priests, overwhelmingly supported the regime including its atrocities.

    We also know that they did their famous Lateran Treaty with Mussolini in Italy as well. In Ireland, we've still legal remnants of their influence in our statute books.

    I agree with the end of your post. Most of those squawking about Catholicism or Christianity have no interest in supporting the Church or their community. They just want to pretend to be victims so they can keep spouting hate.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3589
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131567#Comment_122131567

    Not sure I understand the hostility of your reply as I largely agree with your points made over the last number of pages.

    Those who are deep will strive for clarity, while those who wish to appear deep strive for obscurity and seek to muddy their waters, for everything seems deep to ‘the many’ if only they can’t see the bottom - and they hate going into the water themselves.

    — Friedrich Nietzsche



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    #3590
    Peregrinus
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    Obviously the circumstances of all these countries are different. But Ireland is, strikingly, at the democratic end of the spectrum and I think that's in tension there with a simplistic narrative that says Ireland:priest-ridden and priests:fascist.

    (Not sure that it's entirely fair to present the Lateran Treaty as evidence of Catholic support for fascism. Italy had had a fascist government for seven years before the Lateran Treaty was concluded, and the church had obvious motives for wanting a treaty that had nothing to do with who was in government in Italy. If they were going to make a treaty with Italy, there was only one government they could make it with; the one that was in office. There's really no reason to think they only made the treaty because it was a fascist government, or that their motive for making the treaty was to advance the cause of fascism.)



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    #3591
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131610#Comment_122131610

    The Catholic Church used any means necessary to propagate their influence and power, as they do today — irrespective of whether the leaders were fascist or not. It became what was expedient to their interests at the time. The far-right today aren't devout Christians per se, but what they appear to be doing is projecting the need to preserve the Judeo-Christian heritage against competing ideologies. It's effectively a form of identity politics.

    The problem with the far-right is that, like all ideologies, some of what they say is actually true — but any elements with a semblance of truth are lost among the extreme racial agenda that ultimately and wholly discredits them.

    And that's the core of the problem here.

    When reasonable people talk about controlling migration, they are instead lumped into the far-right because the far-right also talks about migration. But this is a disingenuous approach because both groups are raising concerns for different reasons: the far-right on racial grounds, reasonable people on pragmatic, economic grounds.

    Similarly, the far-right talks about the need to preserve Judeo-Christian heritage against competing ideologies. So when any reasonable person who isn't far-right talks about ensuring that we don't mass migrate people from countries whose values do not align with our liberal values, that person gets lumped into the far-right — again, disingenuously.

    That tactic is used to shut down debate and to smear reasonable opinions by reasonable people.

    The far-right doesn't own the debate on migration or any other issue. They have their own limited, extreme interpretations. They have almost no support in wider society.

    Everyone else is free to have more reasonable interpretations on what are legitimate social and economic questions.

    Those who are deep will strive for clarity, while those who wish to appear deep strive for obscurity and seek to muddy their waters, for everything seems deep to ‘the many’ if only they can’t see the bottom - and they hate going into the water themselves.

    — Friedrich Nietzsche



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    #3592
    Beechwoodspark
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131052#Comment_122131052

    No - I am simply an undecided voter looking at various options -


    I very much get the sense though that plenty of posters on this would like to limit the options down to the mainstream parties and that’s it, and that the public should be “told off” and insulted for even considering options.



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    #3593
    Shoog
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131544#Comment_122131544

    This thread is about the NP so calling the NP fascists highly appropriate. Using this thread about the Fascist NP to imply that the term is devalued is wrong.



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    #3594
    concerned_tenant
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131753#Comment_122131753

    The National Party are indeed far-right.

    But that has nothing to do with the points I made.

    Those who are deep will strive for clarity, while those who wish to appear deep strive for obscurity and seek to muddy their waters, for everything seems deep to ‘the many’ if only they can’t see the bottom - and they hate going into the water themselves.

    — Friedrich Nietzsche



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    #3595
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131689#Comment_122131689

    Thing is, people have made their judgement on you based on what you've posted... You've literally tried to spread a kidnapping hoax. And labeled violent thugs as decent well meaning people.



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    #3596
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131689#Comment_122131689

    No,

    Most people would like to "limit the options" to candidates that aren't Racist, Xenophobic hate mongers.

    Ideally they'd also not be convicted criminals.

    The fact that you claim to be undecided on whether you will vote for Racist Xenophobes or not is something for you to reflect on.

    It's your decision , but at least own that decision when you finally make it.



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    #3597
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,805 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131610#Comment_122131610

    I didn't say that priests are fascist. In the Spanish example I cited, most of them lived no better than peasants while bishops and cardinals lived in luxury. I think it's fair to point out that an authoritarian ideology like fascism fits quite neatly with religion in some circumstances.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3598
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,652 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131689#Comment_122131689

    Who said anything about limiting of options?

    Any thoughts on the very selective basis of Pepper's videos, and his lack of interest in attacks carried out by far right goons?



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    #3599
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131544#Comment_122131544

    To a certain extent, I'd agree with you - while it seems far right (of center) it stops short of out-and-out fascist. But when I false propaganda being spread about large groups of "undesierables" I can't help but draw parallels to the Nazis early days and how they used the same tactics to turn people against the Jews.

    As Goebbels himself said, "“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
    and/or military consequences of the lie."

    The only reason it's not getting traction is, as you say, there's not enough people maintining the lie (it's not the State) and they can;t shield people from the consequences of it.

    It's also some of the other policies of the parties what start alarm bells though, like banning abortion and leaving the EU.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #3600
    Shoog
    Registered Users Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The reality of the RCC is that given a choice they will always jump right of centre and they don't seem to care how far right that is. They have been in constant conflict with any branch of the church which adopts a socialist agenda and practically disowned many of their south American socialist priest throughout the 70 and 80s.

    At the moment the USA Catholic church is lurching to the hard right of politics.

    I cannot think of a single instance where the RCC has adopted Christ's socialist principles.



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    #3601
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,041 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132095#Comment_122132095

    People need to understand, however, that that oft repeated Goebbels quote - it has never been proven that he said the version above - was actually from an article admonishing England and not something that he, himself, was in favour of despite the Nazi's own use of spoof to keep the population cowed.

    The full article quote from 1941 is "The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.’



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