Is Quarantine being enforced?

bettyoleary

bettyoleary wrote: »

Your not smart doing this you can do what you like. Unfortunately we are getting a second wave and what you do soft lad wont make the slightest bit of difference. The economy is ruined poor people will suffer you are part of the cause of it end of. Enjoy your holiday idiot.

Where are you going anyway soft lad Spain ??? Get in the cheap pints in Molly Malones and come home like a lobster is it and back to the old 9-5 job??? Except a bit of an adventure bcos you will be avoiding the border checks.?? Wow what a brave fella. Dk head.

Speak Now

What's with the quoting yourself Betty?

And shaming people in Penny's clothes?

This lockdown has brought the best out in some people and the worst out in others!

ShineOn7

DebDynamite wrote: »

Considering seaside villages down the country had signs up saying “Dubliner’s go home”, etc I can’t see you being made welcome anywhere you go

That's really a thing?

Let's see how many over priced Irish hotels are still in business in 2021 without Dubliners

Beasty

weldoninhio wrote: »

Quarantine is not mandatory. There is no enforcement as it would be illegal under EU law to enforce it, once you fill out the form at your port of entry you are good to go. Enjoy your cycling trip.

Nothing to do with EU law. Many countries enforced lockdown across cities, regions or indeed whole countries, and we all saw very stringent enforcement by police in EU states like Spain and Italy.

Quarantine is definitely "mandatory", but I think the point you were trying to get at is there is no sanction in Ireland for failing to quarantine. That does not make it "legal" - it simply limits the consequences of ignoring quarantine. However if there is widespread ignoring of the rules (and I am sure they will be checking some of the forms), it would be possible for formal sanctions to be introduced. Flouting of any of these regulations is not appropriate and unnecessary (certainly if all you are foregoing is a few cycles)

deceit

StefanFal wrote: »

Hi,

I'm flying into Ireland for a cycling trip and understand there are rules with regards to quarantine.

Has anyone any experience to share about whether its actually been enforced or not? It's a short trip so there is no time for quarantine and we won't be mixing with other people.

We intend staying in same county once we reach our destination.

Thanks in advance.

From experience over the last month without reading most of the other posts before.
Before I drove back to Germany a few days ago, I was stopped 5 times because of my German reg car and questioned where I was staying and was I within the limits of where I was supposed to be.
Also I was stopped twice on my bicycle but I cycle at night and I'm usually the only person out with a helmet and lights on a bike in the area so probably drew more attention.

bettyoleary

Speak Now wrote: »

What's with the quoting yourself Betty?

And shaming people in Penny's clothes?

This lockdown has brought the best out in some people and the worst out in others!

So its ok to encourage people to break the law is it? Im just sticking up for trying to keep our country safe and allowing people to get back to normal. That's all Im doing. If someone thinks they are smart trying to break the rules and thinking they are smart they deserve to be shamed id say bcos they are idiots. I don't need to point that out just read the OPs post.

I had to quarantine recently after a trip to the UK. I was called twice, on the 2nd and the 9th day. Didn’t ask where I was at that moment, but wanted me to confirm the address at which I was staying. And then they reminded me of the requirement to self isolate. But it was a very soft phone call - they didn’t have an interest in asking whether I was at home at that time, and sounded almost apologetic for bothering me

StefanFal

Acosta wrote: »

You're required to fill in a form either online in advance or on the airline which includes the address you're meant to be isolating at . You must hand this to immigration at the airport. If you tell them you're going off on a cycling trip and don't intend to isolate they might not let you in.

I'm coming in the Nordics but I'm Irish. I can put my Irish address on the form. I suppose the question could arise why come for a week when you need to isolate for two? Erm.....New passport, pennys is opened but definitely not biking.

I had to quarantine recently after a trip to the UK. I was called twice, on the 2nd and the 9th day. Didn’t ask where I was at that moment, but wanted me to confirm the address at which I was staying. And then they reminded me of the requirement to self isolate. But it was a very soft phone call - they didn’t have an interest in asking whether I was at home at that time, and sounded almost apologetic for bothering me

ShineOn7

Deleted User wrote: »

I had to quarantine recently after a trip to the UK. I was called twice, on the 2nd and the 9th day. Didn’t ask where I was at that moment, but wanted me to confirm the address at which I was staying. And then they reminded me of the requirement to self isolate. But it was a very soft phone call - they didn’t have an interest in asking whether I was at home at that time, and sounded almost apologetic for bothering me

That's the Irish attitude to Covid summed up in one post



"Ah shure, it'll be grand"

weldoninhio

Wii776 wrote: »

The rules are not being enforced. I know of several people who have recently returned from abroad and were immediately going about their business and were out and about extensively

It’s not a rule it is a request. Same as wearing a face mask. You can if you want, but you don’t HAVE to.

weldoninhio

Acosta wrote: »

You're required to fill in a form either online in advance or on the airline which includes the address you're meant to be isolating at . You must hand this to immigration at the airport. If you tell them you're going off on a cycling trip and don't intend to isolate they might not let you in.

They have no legal right to stop an EU citizen entering Ireland to go cycling.

weldoninhio

Icepick wrote: »

This is an obvious lie.

Look it up brainiac. We have no right to restrict the free movement of people within the EU. If the clowns in govt had declared a state of emergency, we could restrict it while in an emergency, as other countries did. But Bulgarian strawberry pickers getting in was more important to them. Therefore, we never entered a state of emergency and any EU citizen can head to Ireland.

begbysback

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's the Irish attitude to Covid summed up in one post



"Ah shure, it'll be grand"

Are you saying the person on the other end of the phone was Irish??

Anyways, twill be grand

gral6

weldoninhio wrote: »

Look it up brainiac. We have no right to restrict the free movement of people within the EU. If the clowns in govt had declared a state of emergency, we could restrict it while in an emergency, as other countries did. But Bulgarian strawberry lickers getting in was more important to them. Therefore, we never entered a state of emergency and any EU citizen can head to Ireland.

Will you pick up the strawberry yourself?

weldoninhio

Beasty wrote: »

Nothing to do with EU law. Many countries enforced lockdown across cities, regions or indeed whole countries, and we all saw very stringent enforcement by police in EU states like Spain and Italy.

Quarantine is definitely "mandatory", but I think the point you were trying to get at is there is no sanction in Ireland for failing to quarantine. That does not make it "legal" - it simply limits the consequences of ignoring quarantine. However if there is widespread ignoring of the rules (and I am sure they will be checking some of the forms), it would be possible for formal sanctions to be introduced. Flouting of any of these regulations is not appropriate and unnecessary (certainly if all you are foregoing is a few cycles)

I’d look up EU law lad. All those countries declared a state of emergency. Ireland didn’t. Ireland has no mechanism to make quarantine legal buddy. Whinging and moaning isn’t gonna change that. Even the 20km law is now lapsed, you can go anywhere.

weldoninhio

bettyoleary wrote: »

So its ok to encourage people to break the law is it? Im just sticking up for trying to keep our country safe and allowing people to get back to normal. That's all Im doing. If someone thinks they are smart trying to break the rules and thinking they are smart they deserve to be shamed id say bcos they are idiots. I don't need to point that out just read the OPs post.

What law are people being encouraged to break Betty??

weldoninhio

gral6 wrote: »

Will you pick up the strawberry yourself?

I do pick strawberry’s myself. I grow them out the back.

imme

acequion wrote: »

But they didn't open the thread to ask for encouragement to break the rules. They simply asked if the quarantine is being enforced. Which is a very fair question given that there is a lack of clarity around it.

Even coming to the country for a cycling trip doesn't automatically imply non compliance with Irish restrictions. The OP just said "We". Might only be two of them. And if the OP doesn't live in Ireland they may not know if self isolation means staying indoors or if it means staying away from others.

So the OP asked a valid and reasonable question imo.

If someone wants to know what the public health restrictions are they don't go to a discussion forum. The OP is looking for a way out it seems to me.

biko

imme wrote: »

If someone wants to know what the public health restrictions are they don't go to a discussion forum. The OP is looking for a way out it seems to me.

This is how I read it too.
OP already knows the restrictions but is checking whether he can go ahead anyway.

OP, I suggest for this summer you use one of the many opportunities for bike holidays that already exist in Sweden.
https://swedenbybike.com/
See you next year instead.

Beasty

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’d look up EU law lad. All those countries declared a state of emergency. Ireland didn’t. Ireland has no mechanism to make quarantine legal buddy. Whinging and moaning isn’t gonna change that. Even the 20km law is now lapsed, you can go anywhere.

I am familiar with EU law and the Freedom of Movement provisions "lad". I am also aware that pretty much all EU countries have laws that contravene EU law "lad". In the current situation "lad" the EU is not going to take any action against any country introducing any laws to counter the spread of Covid-19

Now "lad" I've not looked up the specifics but I'm also pretty sure there are plenty of exceptions allowed for all EU countries in public health situations

acequion

biko wrote: »

This is how I read it too.
OP already knows the restrictions but is checking whether he can go ahead anyway.

OP, I suggest for this summer you use one of the many opportunities for bike holidays that already exist in Sweden.
https://swedenbybike.com/
See you next year instead.

Unless the OP is clueless or never before used boards.ie he'd have a fair idea of the reaction he'd get here.

So it's one thing to jump down his/her throat with the righteous lectures, but second guessing the reasons for asking the question is taking it a bit far. If I was the OP I'd be long moved on from this thread.:rolleyes:

imme

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's the Irish attitude to Covid summed up in one post



"Ah shure, It'll be grand"

Do you want people screaming down the phone.

In general people shouldn't be traveling anywhere at the moment or for the foreseeable.

Then there'd be no need for self quarantine.

We need only look at the NZ recent experience.

Clonmel1000

imme wrote: »

Do you want people screaming down the phone.

In general people shouldn't be traveling anywhere at the moment or for the foreseeable.

Then there'd be no need for self quarantine.

We need only look at the NZ recent experience.

So no travel until when?

gral6

imme wrote: »

We need only look at the NZ recent experience.

Forget about NZ recent experience and try to enjoy life

imme

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

So no travel until when?

USA 24,440 new cases reported in most recent daily amount.

That is almost the total confirmed number of cases in ROI.

Just wait for the numbers after Donald's Tulsa rally.

JJayoo

Coming to Ireland to cycle around one county...virus is the least of your worries ya big loser


Ah no I'm only messing I think you're cool and handsome

dfx-

spookwoman wrote: »

Look at what's happened in new zealand because some twats broke quarantine.

the problem in NZ was not the people released who by all accounts had precious masks on - it was the much glorified NZ control system that let them out when they had not been tested which they should've been.

Micky 32

imme wrote: »

USA 24,440 new cases reported in most recent daily amount.

That is almost the total confirmed number of cases in ROI.

Just wait for the numbers after Donald's Tulsa rally.

You forgot to answer the question, so no travel until when? When do you think we should be able to see our families that are abroad?

JJayoo

imme wrote: »

Just wait for the numbers after Donald's Tulsa rally.

And the hundreds of black lives matter protests which have been happening continuously for the last three weeks.....or is it just trump that causes the virus.....omg quick we have to get this research to the top labs

imme

JJayoo wrote: »

And the hundreds of black lives matter protests which have been happening continuously for the last three weeks.....or is it just trump that causes the virus.....omg quick we have to get this research to the top labs

Have a look here, the trajectory doesn't seem to have been affected by the BLM protests.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

ACitizenErased

Cousin of mine who returned from work in the middle east has been contacted 3 times by the Gardai since arriving. They will follow up. In the nicest way possible, don’t come.

imme

Micky 32 wrote: »

You forgot to answer the question, so no travel until when? When do you think we should be able to see our families that are abroad?

Calm down dear, as Michael Winner used to say.

The advisory is only fly if you have to and then self isolate for 2 weeks if you fly back to Ireland.

Nobody should be rushing on a plane, all plane companies care about is profit, no your health or my health, that's for sure.

weldoninhio

Beasty wrote: »

I am familiar with EU law and the Freedom of Movement provisions "lad". I am also aware that pretty much all EU countries have laws that contravene EU law "lad". In the current situation "lad" the EU is not going to take any action against any country introducing any laws to counter the spread of Covid-19

Now "lad" I've not looked up the specifics but I'm also pretty sure there are plenty of exceptions allowed for all EU countries in public health situations

You’re wrong lad. No harm in admitting it. There are exceptions allowed for all EU countries in public health situations. You can call a state of emergency like other countries did at the height of the virus. Ireland never did.

This has been spoken about by various different politician on various different talk shows lad.

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cousin of mine who returned from work in the middle east has been contacted 3 times by the Gardai since arriving. They will follow up. In the nicest way possible, don’t come.

Any idea what ‘follow up’ means, given that the quarantine itself is not enforceable in law?

SweetCaliber

Deleted User wrote: »

Any idea what ‘follow up’ means, given that the quarantine itself is not enforceable in law?

Yeah its interesting, as far as I know filling out the form is mandatory but actually self isolating at home isnt. Cant be sure the Gardai can do anything tbh.

SweetCaliber

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Yeah its interesting, as far as I know filling out the form is mandatory but actually self isolating at home isnt. Cant be sure the Gardai can do anything tbh.

I suppose that if they came round and you were never home, they might conclude the the information that had been given on the form was incorrect, and then they can ‘follow up’. That is obviously aimed at tourists who might give details of the first place they are staying, and then go on a road trip (which is the activity that quarantine is intended to discourage). There’ll be nothing that can be done about returning residents who decide to go out

weldoninhio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I suppose that if they came round and you were never home, they might conclude the the information that had been given on the form was incorrect, and then they can ‘follow up’. That is obviously aimed at tourists who might give details of the first place they are staying, and then go on a road trip (which is the activity that quarantine is intended to discourage). There’ll be nothing that can be done about returning residents who decide to go out

There is nothing they can do about anyone, as quarantine is not a legal Issue.

normanoffside

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cousin of mine who returned from work in the middle east has been contacted 3 times by the Gardai since arriving. They will follow up. In the nicest way possible, don’t come.

Once people start coming in any numbers it will be impossible to follow up.

Golfman64

It is not a legal requirement to quarantine after entry to Ireland from another country. The only legal requirement upon entering the state, currently, is to complete the Passenger Locator Form. I expect this requirment will be removed by mid July in line with the rest of Europe.

acequion

Golfman64 wrote: »

It is not a legal requirement to quarantine after entry to Ireland from another country. The only legal requirement upon entering the state, currently, is to complete the Passenger Locator Form. I expect this requirment will be removed by mid July in line with the rest of Europe.

I really wouldn't be so confident Golfman64. They're clinging on to the quarantine and as I said before, won't let it go until they have to. When you see the trouble AL is in, look at the economic forecasts and it's a rule which is only half arsed at best, you really would have to question the logic.

imme wrote: »

If someone wants to know what the public health restrictions are they don't go to a discussion forum. The OP is looking for a way out it seems to me.

A way out from what exactly and looking for it from whom? The high and mighty on boards.ie?? Get down off your power horse, the OP is not looking for any permission from people like you! Also, for must be the 100th time, the OP did not post for factual information which he'd get from gov.ie, he asked if the quarantine is being enforced [verbatim from his question] He's Irish, would know that Ireland has a love affair with rules but often don't have the wherewithal to follow up. So he probably hoped to get a broader perspective from open minds on an internet forum. Fat chance here :rolleyes:

Beasty

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’re wrong lad. No harm in admitting it. There are exceptions allowed for all EU countries in public health situations. You can call a state of emergency like other countries did at the height of the virus. Ireland never did.

This has been spoken about by various different politician on various different talk shows lad.

Apologies, but I'm reluctant to accept any such claims so long as you keep calling me "lad"

Anyway, plenty of information here, with no reference to states of emergency but plenty of comments accepting that States have applied travel restrictions and no suggestion the EU has any issue with any of this.

Even in the Schengen area restrictions have been applied unchallenged. Recommendations (but not requirements) made to start to re-open. Individual states are in control of all of this

Wallander

Beasty wrote: »

Even in the Schengen area restrictions have been applied unchallenged. Recommendations (but not requirements) made to start to re-open. Individual states are in control of all of this

In theory that's probably true, but Ireland appears to be the only EU country yet to confirm free travel from the start of July, and it may in practice be impossible for it to apply its own approach on this. There will be a summit in Brussels in the middle of July where Ireland is to argue for a larger share of crisis funding. Those discussions would be very difficult if it is the only country in the EU blocking freedom of movement and damaging its economy in the process.

StefanFal

Just an update to share the experience in case anyone else is travelling to Ireland.

Just back in Sweden. We flew Stockholm to Dublin and had to complete a form with address we were staying etc at Dublin airport. I used my parents address in Dublin and we went to Galway.

Nice weeks cycling and no one contacted us regarding our whereabouts in quarantine so nothing to worry about.

imme

acequion wrote: »

I really wouldn't be so confident Golfman64. They're clinging on to the quarantine and as I said before, won't let it go until they have to. When you see the trouble AL is in, look at the economic forecasts and it's a rule which is only half arsed at best, you really would have to question the logic.



A way out from what exactly and looking for it from whom? The high and mighty on boards.ie?? Get down off your power horse, the OP is not looking for any permission from people like you! Also, for must be the 100th time, the OP did not post for factual information which he'd get from gov.ie, he asked if the quarantine is being enforced [verbatim from his question] He's Irish, would know that Ireland has a love affair with rules but often don't have the wherewithal to follow up. So he probably hoped to get a broader perspective from open minds on an internet forum. Fat chance here :rolleyes:

Giddy up.

Away With The Fairies

StefanFal wrote: »

Just an update to share the experience in case anyone else is travelling to Ireland.

Just back in Sweden. We flew Stockholm to Dublin and had to complete a form with address we were staying etc at Dublin airport. I used my parents address in Dublin and we went to Galway.

Nice weeks cycling and no one contacted us regarding our whereabouts in quarantine so nothing to worry about.

Are you encouraging people to ignore the advice?

mlem123

StefanFal wrote: »

Just an update to share the experience in case anyone else is travelling to Ireland.

Just back in Sweden. We flew Stockholm to Dublin and had to complete a form with address we were staying etc at Dublin airport. I used my parents address in Dublin and we went to Galway.

Nice weeks cycling and no one contacted us regarding our whereabouts in quarantine so nothing to worry about.

Why not the Galway address? Selfish actions

weldoninhio

StefanFal wrote: »

Just an update to share the experience in case anyone else is travelling to Ireland.

Just back in Sweden. We flew Stockholm to Dublin and had to complete a form with address we were staying etc at Dublin airport. I used my parents address in Dublin and we went to Galway.

Nice weeks cycling and no one contacted us regarding our whereabouts in quarantine so nothing to worry about.

Hope you had a great time.

weldoninhio

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are you encouraging people to ignore the advice?

Are you saying he's racist?




See, anyone can ask a question with absolutely zero relevance to what they've quoted.

JP Liz V1

It needs to be stricter