PBP want to tear down stuff in Galway

thecretinhop

Absolute clowns, fk off ye .01 percent of vote.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0609/1146337-monuments-galway/

Call to remove Galway monuments 'glorifying slavery'

It wants a monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway to be taken down.
It is also seeking the removal of a plaque in Tuam, honouring Major Richard (Dick) Dowling, who served with the Confederate army in the US.

Storm 10

Who in their right minds would have anything to do with that group they have no support .

Whereisgalway

A statue of dickie Boyd Barrett erected instead

Smegging hell

thecretinhop wrote: »

Absolute clowns, fk off ye .01 percent of vote.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0609/1146337-monuments-galway/

And you're helping them gain more publicity by posting it here. I bet they're delighted.

beardybrewer

I was thinking the same thing. The problem with the democratization of the news via social media (and mainstream often just recycling same) is that fringe groups have a louder voice than ever.

I often feel if everyone could manage this Trump would wither away and die*


* Is there are a guard posted at the graves of past presidents or can we tap dance on his grave when he finally chokes on his KFC?

TheCitizen

thecretinhop wrote: »

Absolute clowns, fk off ye .01 percent of vote.

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0609/1146337-monuments-galway/

Did you read the article at all? They're asking for monuments and plaques to include references to slavery where appropriate, similar to other cities in lots of countries. So why are they "clowns" to ask that the same be considered in Galway exactly?

touts

They should start by insisting that any portraits of the likes of Che, Lenin, Mao etc their supporters have on their walls be edited to include reference to mass murder, death squads, gulags, terrorism and famine.

TheCitizen

touts wrote: »

They should start by insisting that any portraits of the likes of Che, Lenin, Mao etc their supporters have on their walls be edited to include reference to mass murder, death squads, gulags, terrorism and famine.

A portait on their walls is hardly the same thing as a public monument, don't be ridiculous.

Same happening in the Uk. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8401935/Sadiq-Khan-calls-Londons-slave-trader-statues-removed-orders-landmarks-review.html
Remember the outcry when the Taliban destroyed statues?

Get a grip.

newuser99999

https://www.thejournal.ie/joe-loughnane-suspended-from-pbp-4998335-Feb2020/

Might suit them a bit better to be worried about things like this first.

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

Same happening in the Uk. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8401935/Sadiq-Khan-calls-Londons-slave-trader-statues-removed-orders-landmarks-review.html
Remember the outcry when the Taliban destroyed statues?

Get a grip.

Get a grip? :pac: Yep get a grip on statues of racist scum like Churchill and pull them down and dump them, that's what should be done. Same goes for statues in this country of anyone that had dodgy connections or profited from racism. In some cases add references to and context to some of these historical figures statues but in other cases just pull the statue down and stick it in a museum perhaps or melt it and do something useful with the metal.

Seth Brundle

The Irish have a very long tradition of being slave traders right through from Celtic times to the Viking period.
Sure even our patron saint was a slave brutally taken from his Welsh family.
I hereby suggest that we ban everything Irish!
Or something.

TheCitizen

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The Irish have a very long tradition of being slave traders right through from Celtic times to the Viking period.
Sure even our patron saint was a slave brutally taken from his Welsh family.
I hereby suggest that we ban everything Irish!
Or something.

Get a grip

TheCitizen

newuser99999 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/joe-loughnane-suspended-from-pbp-4998335-Feb2020/

Might suit them a bit better to be worried about things like this first.

They suspended him. Does that incident disqualify them from speaking on the matter of this thread?

duffman13

TheCitizen wrote: »

Get a grip? :pac: Yep get a grip on statues of racist scum like Churchill and pulled them down and dump them, that's what should be done. Same goes for statues in this country of anyone that had dodgy connections or profited from racism. In some cases add references to and context to some of these historical figures statues but in other cases just pull the statue down and stick it in a museum perhaps or melt it and do something useful with the metal.

From an historical point of view can you see no merit to keeping them? None?

I dont think dumping any of these helps, like it or not they are part of history. If something is contentious then by all means move it if thats what needs to be done or put it in a museum as you said later. Rascism/Slavery etc is obviously wrong on any level however the likes of Columbus is a product of his time and the cultural and social norms in the 1400s are hugely different now.

I remember a good documentary I seen on some countries in the Eastern Bloc who tore down statues and burned books/writings of Lenin and Stalin after the fall of the soviets. A lot of people missed a fundamental part of their history by effecticely erasing them and destroying them. By all means, move them or put them in a museum but they are off their time.

I think there is a nuanced and balanced discussion to be had in a few months time around what can and should be done.

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

Same happening in the Uk. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8401935/Sadiq-Khan-calls-Londons-slave-trader-statues-removed-orders-landmarks-review.html
Remember the outcry when the Taliban destroyed statues?

Get a grip.

You've been listening to that Rightist bollocks Farage by the sounds of :pac:, would say a lot about some of the commentary on this thread.

Seth Brundle

TheCitizen wrote: »

Get a grip

What's the difference between being outraged over Irish involvement in slavery at one point in time to Irihs involvement in slavery at another point in time?
It's all faux outrage bo11oxology!

TheCitizen

duffman13 wrote: »

From an historical point of view can you see no merit to keeping them? None?

I dont think dumping any of these helps, like it or not they are part of history. If something is contentious then by all means move it if thats what needs to be done or put it in a museum as you said later. Rascism/Slavery etc is obviously wrong on any level however the likes of Columbus is a product of his time and the cultural and social norms in the 1400s are hugely different now.

I remember a good documentary I seen on some countries in the Eastern Bloc who tore down statues and burned books/writings of Lenin and Stalin after the fall of the soviets. A lot of people missed a fundamental part of their history by effecticely erasing them and destroying them. By all means, move them or put them in a museum but they are off their time.

I think there is a nuanced and balanced discussion to be had in a few months time around what can and should be done.

I think some could be put in a museum as I said with info next to it as to why they were removed from their original public spaces. It would be better way of dealing with it than tearing them down and dumping them in the harbour like in Bristol the other day. We removed most British Imperial statues around Dublin after Independence, I think some are in museums?

It's best to remove them and put them away somewhere like a museum than leave them standing up in public streets and squares like an anachronistic sore thumb. That's what happened with Nelson's Pillar. That one should have been removed long before it was correctly taken out of it.

TheCitizen

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What's the difference between being outraged over Irish involvement in slavery at one point in time to Irihs involvement in slavery at another point in time?
It's all faux outrage bo11oxology!

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying there but I think there is a justifiable argument for removing statues to historical figures and put them in museums perhaps if there were elements in their past that were particularly offensive. Like if they were slave traders or were vehemently racist etc.

jprender

I can't take much more of this "woke" nonsense.

The Internet/Media is full of this ****e now.

TheCitizen

jprender wrote: »

I can't take much more of this "woke" nonsense.

The Internet/Media is full of this ****e now.

Go back to sleep so

More PC nonsense here. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8402623/Little-Britain-removed-Netflix-BBC-iPlayer-BritBox-blackface.html
No more Black and White Minstrels so.

jprender

TheCitizen wrote: »

Go back to sleep so

How about the nonsense stops instead.

Rodin

We need to preserve history to remind us.

The same arguments being used to tear down slaver statues could also be used to suggest bulldozing concentration camps... but we should leave them intact so we always remember...

TheCitizen

Rodin wrote: »

We need to preserve history to remind us.

The same arguments being used to tear down slaver statues could also be used to suggest bulldozing concentration camps... but we should leave them intact so we always remember...

Take them down and put them in museums, they should not be left in the prominent place they were originally put in.

Either the authorities get a grip on that or they will be vandalised or removed by force as Nelson's pillar was correctly removed fin Dublin that time or example.

RandRuns

TheCitizen wrote: »

Take them down and put them in museums, they should not be left in the prominent place they were originally put in.

Either the authorities get a grip on that or they will be vandalised or removed by force as Nelson's pillar was correctly removed fin Dublin that time or example.

"Everything has to be how we want it to be, or we will destroy it"

There's a name for that.

mgn

Whereisgalway wrote: »

A statue of dickie Boyd Barrett erected instead

The need someone from the past, someone like ex TD Ruth Coppinger who served her country.

Banished by the Dubs so maybe the Galwegians could honour her.

thecretinhop

TheCitizen wrote: »

Take them down and put them in museums, they should not be left in the prominent place they were originally put in.

Either the authorities get a grip on that or they will be vandalised or removed by force as Nelson's pillar was correctly removed fin Dublin that time or example.

so mob rule basically

jprender

TheCitizen wrote: »

Take them down and put them in museums, they should not be left in the prominent place they were originally put in.

Either the authorities get a grip on that or they will be vandalised or removed by force as Nelson's pillar was correctly removed fin Dublin that time or example.

Ah here, you're taking the piss surely.

Who is going to remove by force a statue of Christopher Columbus ?
RBB ?

TheCitizen

jprender wrote: »

How about the nonsense stops instead.

What "nonsense" is this exactly? The nonsense spouted buy a few Rightists on this thread perhaps, would be good if that stopped alright.

mgn

mgn wrote: »

The need someone from the past, someone like ex TD Ruth Coppinger who served her country.

Banished by the Dubs so maybe the Galwegians could honour her.

Brandishing a thong.

TheCitizen

jprender wrote: »

Ah here, you're taking the piss surely.

Who is going to remove by force a statue of Christopher Columbus ?
RBB ?

I don't think there's as many obvious monuments to slave traders and other racist sum standing around in Ireland, though there could be the odd one? The Columbus one in Galway is a plaque I believe.

jprender

TheCitizen wrote: »

What "nonsense" is this exactly? The nonsense spouted buy a few Rightists on this thread perhaps, would be good if that stopped alright.

The nonsense that a monument of Christopher Columbus is offensive and should be removed from its' current location.

What's it got to do with left/right ?
Doesn't matter where the idea came from.
It's just stupid tbh; TD's trying to remain in view and looking for column inches.

TheCitizen

thecretinhop wrote: »

so mob rule basically

In the absence of the authorities taking control over matters, yep sometimes you do get mob rule. If the cops in America showed a bit of discipline and stopped killing black people for no reason then they might have less bother with riots on their streets I'd imagine.

The authorities everywhere need to keep up and move with the times.

TheCitizen

jprender wrote: »

The nonsense that a monument of Christopher Columbus is offensive and should be removed from its' current location.

What's it got to do with left/right ?
Doesn't matter where the idea came from.
It's just stupid tbh; TD's trying to remain in view and looking for column inches.

Is it nonsense? It depends on what Columbus got up to, was he a slave trader, did he profit from slave trading? If he did, history gets revised and he gets put in a museum instead of pride of place locations in my view.

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

Brandishing a thong.

We'll make an exception for that one and keep it.

Lets tear down every school in the country that exist on church grounds, or has some reference to the Church in it's name
Let's rename Croagh Patrck, as it's named after a Catholic Saint
Let's rename St. Patricks Day
Let's get rid of the bust of JFK from Eyre Square because he treated his wife badly

F**k off and do something worthwhile with your life.
What the hell is wrong with people?

TheCitizen

RandRuns wrote: »

"Everything has to be how we want it to be, or we will destroy it"

There's a name for that.

Statues and monuments get removed and relocated all the time. The authorities wherever they are should keep up and be on top of it.

Dyr

Storm 10 wrote: »

Who in their right minds would have anything to do with that group they have no support .

Who wouldnt want to vote for a party that produces such intellectual powerhouses as Bríd Smith, Gino and Rich Boy Barrett?

TheCitizen

Deleted User wrote: »

Lets tear down every school in the country that exist on church grounds, or has some reference to the Church in it's name
Let's rename Croagh Patrck, as it's named after a Catholic Saint
Let's rename St. Patricks Day
Let's get rid of the bust of JFK from Eyre Square because he treated his wife badly

F**k off and do something worthwhile with your life.
What the hell is wrong with people?

:pac: Calm down, Calm down

empacher

Anyone get the feeling 'The Citizen' has close ties to
PBP?

JohnnyFlash

empacher wrote: »

Anyone get the feeling 'The Citizen' has close ties to
PBP?

I can hear the Rage Against the Machine playlist from here.

TheCitizen

empacher wrote: »

Anyone get the feeling 'The Citizen' has close ties to
PBP?

:pac: Never voted for them.

I'm reacting to the way they've been hounded on this thread for calling for something that is happening in lots of other cities in other countries. Are they being hounded because they are PBF? or is it because of what they're saying on the issue of statues or monuments standing in places to people who have had racist views or maybe sexist views or profited from slave trading. Views that nowadays are no longer acceptable.

TheCitizen

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I can hear the Rage Against the Machine playlist from here.

They were a cracking band actually back in the day.

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Rodney Bathgate

touts wrote: »

They should start by insisting that any portraits of the likes of Che, Lenin, Mao etc their supporters have on their walls be edited to include reference to mass murder, death squads, gulags, terrorism and famine.

They were freedom fighters. Any alleged deaths resulting from their actions were entirely coincidental and not their responsibility.

Will anyone with glasses be liquidated next?

Rodney Bathgate

Hounded? FFS.

Dyr

We should put up an even bigger monument up to Dick Dowling, he was some buck.

touts

TheCitizen wrote: »

A portait on their walls is hardly the same thing as a public monument, don't be ridiculous.

So it's OK to look up to people who committed mass murder and operated forced labour camps for their people as long as you do it in the privacy of your own home?

TheCitizen

touts wrote: »

So it's OK to look up to people who committed mass murder and operated forced labour camps for their people as long as you do it in the privacy of your own home?

That's not what I said, but you already knew that, unless you're being a bit thick

TheCitizen

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Hounded? FFS.

Yeah hounded for suggesting something that has been done and is currently being done in other places and countries. FFS what?

It's like feckin Stormfront around here with the proliferation of Right wingers.

TheCitizen

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

They were freedom fighters. Any alleged deaths resulting from their actions were entirely coincidental and not their responsibility.

Will anyone with glasses be liquidated next?

Is it because they are seen as Left that you hate them so