PBP want to tear down stuff in Galway

Smegging hell

Del.Monte wrote: »

This sort of cultural vandalism is around a long time.

Petition to reinstall Lord Dunkellin's statue in the middle of Eyre Square?



“After the meeting, a rope was put round the neck of the statue and it was drawn by thousands through the main streets with band playing Irish reels and hornpipes and taken out to the pier head where it was thrown into the water." https://www.advertiser.ie/Galway/article/32477/lord-dunkellins-statue

?Cee?view

In talking about the Columbus thing, obvious issues nearby are being missed.

The Spanish Arch will have to be pulled down. Spain has historical issues with colonialism, slavery and cultural appropriation. We cannot leave this monument to such racist ideology in our midst. Alternatively, if it is to be left, it could just be called "the Arch", but we would need to ensure that any translations to languages other than English result in a gender neutral word for Arch. A solution could be to build the Museum around it so that it's in the Museum, but those who may be offended by it would need to be warned of its presence in several languages, prior to entering the Museum.

The Latin Quarter will also have to be dealt with. Latin was the language of Imperial Rome and this has obvious connotations and difficulties, not least of which is inflicting the film the Gladiator on us. Changing it to "the Quarter" will not work as this discriminates against people who don't use fractions. It shall henceforth be "the Quarter, or 25%, or .25"

Smegging hell

?Cee?view wrote: »

In talking about the Columbus thing, obvious issues nearby are being missed.

The Spanish Arch will have to be pulled down. Spain has historical issues with colonialism, slavery and cultural appropriation. We cannot leave this monument to such racist ideology in our midst. Alternatively, if it is to be left, it could just be called "the Arch", but we would need to ensure that any translations to languages other than English result in a gender neutral word for Arch. A solution could be to build the Museum around it so that it's in the Museum, but those who may be offended by it would need to be warned of its presence in several languages, prior to entering the Museum.

The Latin Quarter will also have to be dealt with. Latin was the language of Imperial Rome and this has obvious connotations and difficulties, not least of which is inflicting the film the Gladiator on us. Changing it to "the Quarter" will not work as this discriminates against people who don't use fractions. It shall henceforth be "the Quarter, or 25%, or .25"

OK boomer.

?Cee?view

Smegging hell wrote: »

OK boomer.

I had to google that...

"The phrase "OK boomer" is a pejorative retort used to dismiss or mock the attitudes of older people, particularly baby boomers."

Kinda proves your point that I had to google it I suppose

Dyr

?Cee?view wrote: »

I had to google that...

"The phrase "OK boomer" is a pejorative retort used to dismiss or mock the attitudes of older people, particularly baby boomers."

Kinda proves your point that I had to google it I suppose

TBH the only people who still use that phrase now are further behind the curve than any Boomer.

FVP3

?Cee?view wrote: »

I had to google that...

"The phrase "OK boomer" is a pejorative retort used to dismiss or mock the attitudes of older people, particularly baby boomers."

Kinda proves your point that I had to google it I suppose

Anyway, it all seems a bit ageist does it not?

FVP3

TheCitizen wrote: »

So you answer the question put to you by posing a question, and then regurgitate stuff you’ve already said several times over and over.

I’ll answer your question; I don’t or didn’t have a problem with the statue in the Spanish Arch, but the BLM movement has created an awareness around the issue of race where it is legitimate to question how cultural racism impacts on society in an ingrained way.

It helps to create a framework whereby people are inculcated in racist attitudes whether they know it or not. I think it’s fair game to now question some of these monuments and other cultural artefacts we have put up towards people that were deeply unsound on various issues including race.

I’ll ask you again; why do you have such a problem with a call for debating the removal or relocation of such statues?

Now, how long have you been living in the US?

Danzy

Galway PBP should stick to what they know and are good at, assaulting women.

Smegging hell

Cork fans will be singing 'the night they drove old Dixie down' tonight. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cork-gaa-to-confiscate-confederate-flags-from-fans-attending-matches-1.4277385?fbclid=IwAR203edE4kl_5LY5Nknj1MSsQOkf3pHHZxT7mNOrlOGlYx_e2V7QI0fBDic

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Smegging hell wrote: »

Cork fans will be singing 'the night they drove old Dixie down' tonight. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cork-gaa-to-confiscate-confederate-flags-from-fans-attending-matches-1.4277385?fbclid=IwAR203edE4kl_5LY5Nknj1MSsQOkf3pHHZxT7mNOrlOGlYx_e2V7QI0fBDic

Great news.

southstar

Danzy wrote: »

Galway PBP should stick to what they know and are good at, assaulting women.

I think they are afraid that the statue might start moving or talking...perhaps become a shrine to neo Nazis worldwide which Faite Ireland might exploit.

Smegging hell

The National Party turned out in Ballinasloe today to prevent the statue in St Michael's Square from being vandalised.

Achebe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ8okZOYOQw&t=2s

Smegging hell

Achebe wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ8okZOYOQw&t=2s

Who is the speaker in the video?

Del.Monte

Just how much destruction do the virtue signallers want? Ireland is already littered with burnt out big houses, blown up statues etc. Wikipedia must be in melt-down as the "want to be offended" brigade trawl through their files. What about renaming every road, housing estate, sports ground, institution associated with British rule - that won't leave much.

whisky_galore

Del.Monte wrote: »

This sort of cultural vandalism is around a long time.

That'll show Royal Mail. How dare they come over here and build post offices and set up a postal network.

Mrs OBumble

Del.Monte wrote: »

Just how much destruction do the virtue signallers want? Ireland is already littered with burnt out big houses, blown up statues etc. Wikipedia must be in melt-down as the "want to be offended" brigade trawl through their files. What about renaming every road, housing estate, sports ground, institution associated with British rule - that won't leave much.

Better abolish counties, too. Guess who set them up.

TheCitizen

biko wrote: »

I agree with the jackeen, the post boxes should have been left.
Like a little scar to remind you what happened.
It's a interesting part of history someone wants erased.

This one was erected during the reign of King George 1910 -1936 (GR means George Rex).

Why would there be Royal Mail postboxes remaining in use 100 years after Irish Independence?

TheCitizen

Del.Monte wrote: »

Just how much destruction do the virtue signallers want? Ireland is already littered with burnt out big houses, blown up statues etc. Wikipedia must be in melt-down as the "want to be offended" brigade trawl through their files. What about renaming every road, housing estate, sports ground, institution associated with British rule - that won't leave much.

What's "virtue signalling" (whatever that is exactly) got do with renaming landmarks or relocating statues?

Giving support to a movement like BLM is "virtue signalling" is it? Do you disagree with the aims of the BLM movement? Why do you have an issue with BLM?

GinSoaked

TheCitizen wrote: »

Why would there be Royal Mail postboxes remaining in use 100 years after Irish Independence?

Because they work far better than any replacement are easy to maintain and would cost money to remove and more money to replace.

biko

As a reminder of our shared history.

Did you know that in 2016 An Post actually painted a number of post boxes red again?
This was to commemorate the 1916 rising.

And that there is one last imperial statue still left in Dublin?

TheCitizen

GinSoaked wrote: »

Because they work far better than any replacement are easy to maintain and would cost money to remove and more money to replace.

I'm confused? Are some of them still in use, the poster I replied to appeared to say they were removed?

TheCitizen

biko wrote: »

As a reminder of our shared history.

Did you know that in 2016 An Post actually painted a number of post boxes red again?
This was to commemorate the 1916 rising.

And that there is one last imperial statue still left in Dublin?

No one is saying we don't have a shared history with the UK. That has nothing to do with deciding to remove imperial statues or rename landmarks.

?Cee?view

TheCitizen wrote: »

I'm confused? Are some of them still in use, the poster I replied to appeared to say they were removed?

You quoted a picture of one above!

biko

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/923499000858337281

TheCitizen

?Cee?view wrote: »

You quoted a picture of one above!

A picture of one? :pac: The picture could be 40 years old.

It's not something I've ever thought about much.

?Cee?view

TheCitizen wrote: »

A picture of one? :pac: The picture could be 40 years old.

It's not something I've ever thought about much.

Yeah, because that An Post signage was around 40 years ago.

Tell me, do you look in the mirror and start arguing with your reflection first thing every morning?

TheCitizen

GinSoaked wrote: »

Because they work far better than any replacement are easy to maintain and would cost money to remove and more money to replace.

They don't work better than any replacement as it happens according to the interviewee in the RTE piece linked above

TheCitizen

?Cee?view wrote: »

Yeah, because that An Post signage was around 40 years ago.

:pac: I'm talking about the picture. The picture could be 40 years old, the box might be gone now. Some of them have been removed due to bad repair alone I imagine.

?Cee?view wrote: »

Tell me, do you look in the mirror and start arguing with your reflection first thing every morning?

We're just discussing something here mate, calm down.

tayto lover

TheCitizen wrote: »

What's "virtue signalling" (whatever that is exactly) got do with renaming landmarks or relocating statues?

Giving support to a movement like BLM is "virtue signalling" is it? Do you disagree with the aims of the BLM movement? Why do you have an issue with BLM?

I disagree with their rioting, looting and assaulting people.
What do they achieve by that?

TheCitizen

tayto lover wrote: »

I disagree with their rioting, looting and assaulting people.
What do they achieve by that?

BLM is a wide ranging movement, do you just see it as rioters, looters and people assaulting people?

tayto lover

TheCitizen wrote: »

BLM is a wide ranging movement, do you just see it as rioters, looters and people assaulting people?

That and pulling down a few statues is what I’ve seen mainly.
...... and no social distancing in the middle of a pandemic, nearly forgot that.

TheCitizen

tayto lover wrote: »

That and pulling down a few statues is what I’ve seen mainly.
...... and no social distancing in the middle of a pandemic, nearly forgot that.

The social distancing issue is something I disagree with during a pandemic.

Pulling down statues and firing them into the river isn't good health and safety either. The removal of that statue that was pulled down in Bristol was called for by the Labour MP for Bristol in 2018. It would be better to remove these things or relocate them via council votes etc.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-45825768

I think it's important to discuss these issues rather than shut discussion down by labelling anyone who wants to change or rename or relocate anything as a "virtue signalling lefty SJW etc etc" as is happening with some posters on this thread.

Del.Monte

TheCitizen wrote: »

Why would there be Royal Mail postboxes remaining in use 100 years after Irish Independence?

Hard to answer such a daft question but how about they didn't need replacing and surely the green paint over the red is making a point that even the most ardent republican might get? Apart from that they are an historic piece of street furniture which should be preserved rather than torn town to satisfy small minded people with little to worry them.

Del.Monte

TheCitizen wrote: »

What's "virtue signalling" (whatever that is exactly) got do with renaming landmarks or relocating statues?

Giving support to a movement like BLM is "virtue signalling" is it? Do you disagree with the aims of the BLM movement? Why do you have an issue with BLM?

Google is your friend: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Virtue%20Signalling


I have no interest in BLM as I believe all lives matter.

Del.Monte

TheCitizen wrote: »

I'm confused? Are some of them still in use, the poster I replied to appeared to say they were removed?

Not only are confused but you are seriously unobservant as there are old British postboxes in use all over the country. You're concerned about their presence but you don't know whether there still in use. Back to Wiki to find some other thing to be offended by. :rolleyes:

Danzy

TheCitizen wrote: »

Why would there be Royal Mail postboxes remaining in use 100 years after Irish Independence?

They are very common, I can think of 5 off the top if my head.

TheCitizen

Del.Monte wrote: »

Google is your friend: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Virtue%20Signalling


I have no interest in BLM as I believe all lives matter.

You have no interest in BLM. That says it all really.

BLM doesn’t mean other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous

TheCitizen

Del.Monte wrote: »

Hard to answer such a daft question but how about they didn't need replacing and surely the green paint over the red is making a point that even the most ardent republican might get? Apart from that they are an historic piece of street furniture which should be preserved rather than torn town to satisfy small minded people with little to worry them.

I’m not bothered about the mailboxes tbh. In Hong Kong they covered the Regal crest and kept the boxes if they were still useful. It’s not something I’m overly concerned about.

However As the guy in the RTE piece said some of them no longer user friendly for the postal workers. Do you think they should be maintained and preserved for the sake of it even though they’re not fit for purpose anymore? They could always stick one in a museum and you can go in and look at it all the time if it blows your hair back.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

You have no interest in BLM. That says it all really.

BLM doesn’t mean other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous

That’s debatable since they defied the law and all logic to risk irish lives to gather in the middle of a lethal pandemic.

Pulling down statutes is absolute bull, we should not be doing it simple as that.

PCeeeee

?Cee?view wrote: »

The Latin Quarter will also have to be dealt with. Latin was the language of Imperial Rome and this has obvious connotations and difficulties, not least of which is inflicting the film the Gladiator on us. Changing it to "the Quarter" will not work as this discriminates against people who don't use fractions. It shall henceforth be "the Quarter, or 25%, or .25"

I'm afraid that name may not be suitable either as maths in itself is almost certainly racist

https://www.hoover.org/research/seattle-schools-propose-teach-math-education-racist-will-california-be-far-behindseattle

TheCitizen

Mallory Witty Shorts wrote: »

That’s debatable since they defined the law and all logic to risk irish lives to gather in the middle of a lethal pandemic.

Pulling down statutes is absolute bull, we should not be doing it simple as that.

Who said we should be pulling down statues? I’m saying there should be reasoned debate around relocating certain statues, but on here such a suggestion is met with snowflaking outrage and ranting about SJW’s and virtue signalling etc.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

Who said we should be pulling down statues? I’m saying there should be reasoned debate around relocating certain statues, but on here such a suggestion is met with snowflaking outrage and ranting about SJW’s and virtue signalling etc.

No it shouldn’t be suggested as even the suggestion of moving them is nonsense. The Colombus monument should stay exactly where it is full stop, and any nonsense to the contrary should be dismissed as spam.

Busterie

There should be a campaign to remove images of Che Guvera from Galway,terrorist,murderer and crook.

Busterie

Busterie wrote: »

There should be a campaign to remove images of Che Guvera from Galway,terrorist,murderer and crook.

No there should not.

Danzy

Mallory Witty Shorts wrote: »

No there should not.

There shouldn't be but the reasons are as valid for him as other statues.

Geuze

TheCitizen wrote: »

Giving support to a movement like BLM is "virtue signalling" is it? Do you disagree with the aims of the BLM movement? Why do you have an issue with BLM?

I disagree with several of the aims of this organisation:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.


I wish to support families, they wish to dismantle families.

This is a Marxist anti-family idea.

I think families are the bedrock/centre of society.

Families are supported by the Constitution.

So I reject this organisation.

TheCitizen

Geuze wrote: »

I disagree with several of the aims of this organisation:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.


I wish to support families, they wish to dismantle families.

This is a Marxist anti-family idea.

I think families are the bedrock/centre of society.

Families are supported by the Constitution.

So I reject this organisation.

You said “several” aims? That’s one aim.

You’re going to entirely “reject” this organisation because you disagree on one aspect of their stated aims? So everything else they stand for is also rejected? Is that not a bit ott? Whatever happened to tolerance.

Supporting BLM in their aims to promote racial equality doesn’t mean we’re all going to abandon our families and become communists.

Interesting insight into some of the prevailing thinking on here though, thanks for that a chara.

TheCitizen

Busterie wrote: »

There should be a campaign to remove images of Che Guvera from Galway,terrorist,murderer and crook.

What images?

TheCitizen

Danzy wrote: »

There shouldn't be but the reasons are as valid for him as other statues.

What statue?