Should the 14 day quarantine for tourists and Irish remain?

Kermit.de.frog

I'm kind of moving to the point where this particular measure might be more trouble than it's worth.

I have not made up my mind totally on it but the fact is the vast majority of would-be visitors will not visit this country if it remains in place and that could do serious damage.

Also other countries like Italy and Spain are scrapping it and I think more are going to follow.

The government have made noises about putting it on a legal footing. I'm not sure this is a good idea.

Like I say I have not totally made up my mind on it (part of the reason is I don't believe the UK which we are very exposed to has Covid anywhere near under control yet) - I can see the benefit in suppressing imports of the virus but it's one of those measures where the cure may be more harmful than the disease.

Perhaps a happy medium here is to keep it but be selective on the countries it applies to.

Kermit.de.frog

UK to announce their 14 day quarantine today. Ireland is exempt but not the other way around. This seems to leave a gaping hole whereby anyone can travel to Dublin and on to the UK to skip the quarantine.

Business groups in the UK say it will kill travel there. People face large fines if they don't quarantine on arrival.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0522/1139953-uk-quarantine-measures/

The UK are to review their quarantine every 3 weeks.

Perhaps we need to make that commitment as well.

Level 42

the UK is riddled with it can see why a quarantine is needed

Kermit.de.frog

I can understand us implementing a quarantine from the UK.

I just don't think it's needed for every country and we should not quarantine for countries like Germany, Denmark or Austria for example who have their outbreaks under control.

That may change but for now i'd say those countries are safe for travel.

Beechwoodspark

We should have a full ban on incoming flights until phase 2

tobefrank321

A large portion of work or tourist visitors to Ireland come from the UK and US, particularly the East Coast of the US. Both countries have very large outbreaks.

If we want to rescue tourism, we could look at fast turnaround testing, ie within the same day. We seem to have significant spare capacity now with testing so could put it to use for this.

Covid 19 is here to stay unfortunately. Even with a vaccine it will take years to eliminate it, and you'd still have people coming to the country who would present a risk.

So quarantining while a good short term measure, just isnt sustainable longer term.

Muahahaha

Looks like Harris has got his way. You are going to have to sign a legal document in Dublin airport, give over your address details and contact phone number and legally declare you will quarantine for 14 days. The new rules start Monday. The penalties available to the courts are a fine up to 2,500 euro and up to six months in prison.

Thats effectively a nail in the coffin of inbound or outbound tourism, not many people have a spare two weeks to sit around the house upon arriving here.

Have they said how long this will be in place for?

Not sure we'd have much of a tourism industry without pubs and restaurants open anyway

beggars_bush

Should have done this back in March

newuser99999

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like Harris has got his way. You are going to have to sign a legal document in Dublin airport, give over your address details and contact phone number and legally declare you will quarantine for 14 days. The new rules start Monday. The penalties available to the courts are a fine up to 2,500 euro and up to six months in prison.

Thats effectively a nail in the coffin of inbound or outbound tourism, not many people have a spare two weeks to sit around the house upon arriving here.

What a joke.

suicide_circus

well tourism was already nil but yes this is the final straw. seems a bit late for this, would be nice to be moving in the other direction now

rgace

Level 42 wrote: »

the UK is riddled with it can see why a quarantine is needed

If the UK are riddled with it then they should be less worried about people arriving from countries that have low levels of infection.

A quarantine of people traveling here is the only way to keep the numbers under control once the country gets back to relative normality.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like Harris has got his way. You are going to have to sign a legal document in Dublin airport, give over your address details and contact phone number and legally declare you will quarantine for 14 days. The new rules start Monday. The penalties available to the courts are a fine up to 2,500 euro and up to six months in prison.

Thats effectively a nail in the coffin of inbound or outbound tourism, not many people have a spare two weeks to sit around the house upon arriving here.

Nope. This doesn’t apply to Ireland to uk and vice versa. “ Do the quarantine rules apply to everybody?
There are a number of groups who are exempt, including:
Road haulage and freight workers
Medical officials who are travelling to help fight coronavirus
Anyone arriving from the Republic of Ireland, the Channel Islands, or the Isle of Man
Seasonal agricultural workers if they self-isolate on the property where they are working” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52544307

faceman

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like Harris has got his way. You are going to have to sign a legal document in Dublin airport, give over your address details and contact phone number and legally declare you will quarantine for 14 days. The new rules start Monday. The penalties available to the courts are a fine up to 2,500 euro and up to six months in prison.

Thats effectively a nail in the coffin of inbound or outbound tourism, not many people have a spare two weeks to sit around the house upon arriving here.

Total disaster. While other countries are mapping an exit strategy we’re doubling down on the human rights infringements.

We also treated visitors from countries with little or no Covid-19 the same as visitors from the USA

whisky_galore

Muahahaha wrote: »

Looks like Harris has got his way. You are going to have to sign a legal document in Dublin airport, give over your address details and contact phone number and legally declare you will quarantine for 14 days. The new rules start Monday. The penalties available to the courts are a fine up to 2,500 euro and up to six months in prison.

Thats effectively a nail in the coffin of inbound or outbound tourism, not many people have a spare two weeks to sit around the house upon arriving here.

What is there to see or do now as a tourist anyway? A lot of fück all.

Kermit.de.frog

Looks like it will be reviewed on the 18th of June according to Tony H.

mickdw

We have to go with this otherwise, the numbers will immediately go through the roof. If only we had brought this in at the beginning.

Dravokivich

faceman wrote: »

Total disaster. While other countries are mapping an exit strategy we’re doubling down on the human rights infringements.

We also treated visitors from countries with little or no Covid-19 the same as visitors from the USA

What human right is infringed upon, by a state stipulating conditions upon entry? People have given out for years that we have a relatively relaxed notion to border control primarily focused on protecting the exchequer. Now they are focusing on movement of people and its frowned upon? Are people not annoyed by the strawberry pickers anymore?

Fann Linn

What's the story about flying from Belfast? Is it true that I might not have to fill out any forms on my return as travel between NI and here are exempt from quarantine restrictions?

stephenjmcd

mickdw wrote: »

We have to go with this otherwise, the numbers will immediately go through the roof. If only we had brought this in at the beginning.

What difference does it realistically make now seeing as theres feck all actually coming through any of our airports??

It's a bit pointless at this stage

This is it

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What difference does it realistically make now seeing as theres feck all actually coming through any of our airports??

It's a bit pointless at this stage

Feck all now but it'll start to increase as worldwide economies start to open back up.

Beechwoodspark

Should be a total ban on flights regardless

stephenjmcd

This is it wrote: »

Feck all now but it'll start to increase as worldwide economies start to open back up.

Which isn't for another month at least until most borders start to reopen. At that point if other EU countries are opening up borders the EU want countries to do this together so they'll be onto our lads telling them what to do.

Whenever people start to travel be it later in the summer or whenever they'll have to get rid of this rule, it'll kill off any hope the hospitality sector and aviation had.

Would have been welcome back in March but now I just dont see the point, they'll be told to get rid just like France and Greece were. We wont be the outlier in Europe being the only country at it.

Beechwoodspark

There’s no way of completely shutting this down unless flights are cancelled I mean all flights

normanoffside

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s no way of completely shutting this down unless flights are cancelled I mean all flights

I agree on cancelling flights/travel from Hotspots.
E.G. Brazil, USA and to some extent UK.

But why would we be stopping tourism from Countries like Iceland?
They have had the best testing system (arguably) in the world and 5 new cases in the last 3 weeks, completely eradicated the Virus in their country.

Same could be said of Czech Republic, Slovenia Slovakia, Norway, Denmark, Austria etc

Beechwoodspark

normanoffside wrote: »

I agree on cancelling flights/travel from Hotspots.
E.G. Brazil, USA and to some extent UK.

But why would we be stopping tourism from Countries like Iceland?
They have had the best testing system (arguably) in the world and 5 new cases in the last 3 weeks, completely eradicated the Virus in their country.

Same could be said of Czech Republic, Slovenia Slovakia, Norway, Denmark, Austria etc

I’m open to maybe Iceland and others but not the wider European nations and UK is the worst really

Fann Linn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s no way of completely shutting this down unless flights are cancelled I mean all flights

And when would we actually open airports back up again?

Beechwoodspark

Fann Linn wrote: »

And when would we actually open airports back up again?

For Europe When the European wide R count is sub .5

normanoffside

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m open to maybe Iceland and others but not the wider European nations and UK is the worst really

But you said all flights?

Surely we can look at flights from 'safe' countries and open them up while enforcing quarantine for people coming from 'less safe' countries.

That would be a common sense pragmatic approach and would open a lot of safe tourism into the country.

GazzaL

Absolute madness. The HSE are dragging us backwards as a country. The new policy is "**** Tourism. **** Business". There will be a lot of people arriving at Irish airports saying that they're making onward journeys to the North to avoid this bull****.

murphyebass

GazzaL wrote: »

Absolute madness. The HSE are dragging us backwards as a country. The new policy is "**** Tourism. **** Business". There will be a lot of people arriving at Irish airports saying that they're making onward journeys to the North to avoid this bull****.

Damn right and that’s the way it should be.

Absolutely **** tourism and business. It’ll save lives. Real life peoples lives. This isn’t a joke ffs.

RugbyLad11

Dravokivich wrote: »

What human right is infringed upon, by a state stipulating conditions upon entry? People have given out for years that we have a relatively relaxed notion to border control primarily focused on protecting the exchequer. Now they are focusing on movement of people and its frowned upon? Are people not annoyed by the strawberry pickers anymore?

You don't see a problem in locking everyone up for 2 weeks?

GazzaL

murphyebass wrote: »

Damn right and that’s the way it should be.

Absolutely **** tourism and business. It’ll save lives. Real life peoples lives. This isn’t a joke ffs.

They've shut down COVID wards in some of the biggest hospitals in the country because they are empty. R0 has been below 1 for months. Meanwhile, people aren't getting the treatment that they need for non-COVID illnesses, they are losing their jobs, their homes, their families, and this will result in huge losses of life. This isn't a joke. You might think it's ok to destroy all these people's lives, but I don't.

murphyebass

GazzaL wrote: »

They've shut down COVID wards in some of the biggest hospitals in the country because they are empty. R0 has been below 1 for months. Meanwhile, people aren't getting the treatment that they need for non-COVID illnesses, they are losing their jobs, their homes, their families, and this will result in huge losses of life. This isn't a joke. You might think it's ok to destroy all these people's lives, but I don't.

Prefer to have people lose jobs than lives. 1 life is worth more that a million jobs.

GazzaL

murphyebass wrote: »

Prefer to have people lose jobs than lives. 1 life is worth more that a million jobs.

Are you ok with people dying because they're not receiving treatment for non-COVID illnesses? We're paying €115,000,000 per month to keep private hospitals empty and depriving people of medical treatment which they need. There are doctors and nurses in public hospitals that have almost nothing to do because the public have been scared away from attending.

Are you ok with people dying because of depression and suicide because they are losing their families, homes and jobs as a result of the restrictions?

If their lives are worth something, then we need to move in the same direction as the rest of Europe and ease restrictions.

murphyebass

GazzaL wrote: »

Are you ok with people dying because they're not receiving treatment for non-COVID illnesses? We're paying €115,000,000 per month to keep private hospitals empty and depriving people of medical treatment which they need. There are doctors and nurses in public hospitals that have almost nothing to do because the public have been scared away from attending.

Are you ok with people dying because of depression and suicide because they are losing their families, homes and jobs as a result of the restrictions?

If their lives are worth something, then we need to move in the same direction as the rest of Europe and ease restrictions.

First paragraph is nonsense.

Second part yes, yes I am. People need to man up. Everyone’s dealing with this ****.

And no we do not need to ease restrictions.

GazzaL

murphyebass wrote: »

First paragraph is nonsense.

Second part yes, yes I am. People need to man up. Everyone’s dealing with this ****.

And no we do not need to ease restrictions.

First paragraph is entirely factual. You disagree with facts? You don't care that hospitals are lying empty and people aren't receiving medical treatment, and we're wasting taxpayers money to do this?

Second paragraph - you obviously have no idea about mental health, and the massive pressure people are under, and that even more people will come under as reality hits.

It's disgusting how little empathy you have and how little you value other people's lives.

FYI, people are easing restrictions themselves.

murphyebass

GazzaL wrote: »

First paragraph is entirely factual. You disagree with facts? You don't care that hospitals are lying empty and people aren't receiving medical treatment, and we're wasting taxpayers money to do this?

Second paragraph - you obviously have no idea about mental health, and the massive pressure people are under, and that even more people will come under as reality hits.

It's disgusting how little empathy you have and how little you value other people's lives.

I’m saying save lives.

You’re saying lets reopen.

**** will hit the fan very quickly when this inevitably kicks off again in a big way.

Asymptomatic footballers are finding out they had the virus after going to training.

The only reason it’s under control is because most of us are being responsible.

11 people died in this county today from Covid. Real death. Not “mental Illness”. Actual death.

GazzaL

murphyebass wrote: »

I’m saying save lives.

You’re saying lets reopen.

**** will hit the fan very quickly when this inevitably kicks off again in a big way.

Asymptomatic footballers are finding out they had the virus after going to training.

The only reason it’s under control is because most of us are being responsible.

11 people died in this county today from Covid. Real death. Not “mental Illness”. Actual death.

I'm saying save lives and reopen safely. All across Europe they're reopening safely. I don't think you have any understanding of other people's lives, no empathy, and no grasp of reality as an indefinite lockdown is completely off the wall and will result in "real death" as you put it.

Blaze420

Specifically Europe but block all travel from the US in full - when they don’t have a guy that’s gone full retard in charge we can review if.

Beechwoodspark

Let’s do it logically and safely folks

murphyebass

GazzaL wrote: »

I'm saying save lives and reopen safely. All across Europe they're reopening safely. I don't think you have any understanding of other people's lives, no empathy, and no grasp of reality as an indefinite lockdown is completely off the wall and will result in "real death" as you put it.

There is no reopen safely. None.

There will be a second wave because people are already flaunting the laws now never mind when you get your wish and they can do whatever the **** they want.

Blaze420

murphyebass wrote: »

There is no reopen safely. None.

There will be a second wave because people are already flaunting the laws now never mind when you get your wish and they can do whatever the **** they want.

There won’t be a 2nd wave so stop talking ****

stephenjmcd

murphyebass wrote: »

There is no reopen safely. None.

There will be a second wave because people are already flaunting the laws now never mind when you get your wish and they can do whatever the **** they want.

Jesus christ this has been done for ages across multiple threads. It's your opinion that there will be a second wave, it isn't a fact, there hasn't been one across other countries in Europe that have reopened up to a month ago. So your entitled to your opinion but to say there will be a second wave is presenting it as fact when you and I both know nobody can present anything as fact only opinion.

Muahahaha

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope. This doesn’t apply to Ireland to uk and vice versa. “ Do the quarantine rules apply to everybody?
There are a number of groups who are exempt, including:
Road haulage and freight workers
Medical officials who are travelling to help fight coronavirus
Anyone arriving from the Republic of Ireland, the Channel Islands, or the Isle of Man
Seasonal agricultural workers if they self-isolate on the property where they are working” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52544307

Wrong Maryanne, it is not reciprocal. An Irish resident can go to the UK and when they arrive back here they have to self quarantine for 14 days on arrival. A UK resident arriving in Ireland has to self quantine on arrival. No matter what way you look at it travelling here from abroad involves 14 days of isolation and traveling elsewhere and then back to here also involves the 14 days.

gral6

It's a joke...I'd like to see Tony Hologan and Simon Harris taking care after patients in Nursing homes...do something useful...What a ...ucking joke

Aph2016

Utter madness. Holohan needs to fade back into obscurity, he's a lunatic.

Blaze420

gral6 wrote: »

It's a joke...I'd like to see Tony Hologan and Simon Harris taking care after patients in Nursing homes...do something useful...What a ...ucking joke

The hard fact to swallow is that nursing/care homes likely can’t be saved from it. If it’s in those settings and rampant as it appears then there is no slowing it down to stopping it apart from burning the place down and moving the residents. It’s just a horrible cold reality of this we have to face

statesaver

So, is the Government against open travel now ? I thought that was against EU law

Blaze420

statesaver wrote: »

So, is the Government against open travel now ? I thought that was against EU law

There is no open travel at present and I fully support them in the restricting visitors here for 2 weeks. Next step is to put the big boy balls on and ban all travel inbound and outbound to the US.

gral6

Blaze420 wrote: »

There is no open travel at present and I fully support them in the restricting visitors here for 2 weeks. Next step is to put the big boy balls on and ban all travel inbound and outbound to the US.

Might be a good idea to shoot all the passengers at the passport control here upon arrival !
Harris and Hologan would love it ! Virus is being supressed successfully at the arrival hall!