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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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    #152
    Hurrache
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    this is one area where i find myself at odds with quite a few people.
    in the context of 'the cyclist was involved in a collision with a car' you often see mention that there's no word of the motorist.
    the suggestion would appear to be that the motorist should be mentioned, but 'the cyclist was involved in a collision with the motorist' is wrong, and 'the cyclist was involved in a collision with a car driven by a motorist' is clunky and tautological (unless the cyclist cycled into a stationary car, but that's not the context).

    'the motorist left the scene' makes perfect sense though.

    Yeah, I agree with you re. usage of motorist, it doesn't make sense unless the cyclist went through the window and hit the driver.

    And in fairness to this case, the journalist who wrote the story was all about the driver, it seemed to be Garda quotes that are specific to using 'car'.

    I imagine it won't be long until it actually does make perfect sense though when an autonomous car goes wrong.


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    #153
    Seth Brundle
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    Ciara Kelly on Newstalk is obviously doing a piece on cycling.
    Maybe she'll ask her NT colleague Pat Kenny for some input?
    https://twitter.com/LunchtimeLiveNT/status/1268472874823811072


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    #154
    Seth Brundle
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    Article in today's Irish Times on an Irish made e-bike, the Kuma Bikes M1...
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    Cycling made easier with an Irish-made electric bike


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    #155
    Seth Brundle
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    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268173019563917313


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    #156
    Seth Brundle
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    Muppet of a lawyer in UK who has a big chip on his shoulder wants:
    compulsory tabards with a registration number on them, a points-based system similar to that operating for drivers who break the law, as well as compulsory insurance.

    In the past, he has also called for helmets and hi-viz clothing to be made compulsory.

    He has also criticised cyclists for filtering and for riding in primary position in the road – leading cycling author and journalist Carlton Reid to say, in 2015: “I’m surprised that a lawyer specialising in transport could be so ignorant about the various Road Traffic acts and the Highway Code.
    Mr Loophole lawyer says lockdown has led to “culture of toxic cycling”


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    #157
    fat bloke
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    OMG, just caught a pic on the Journal of Richard Bruton arriving to Dáil Éireann ón his bike. Nothing against that, fair play to him but who the hell advised him to buy a Bentini Spaghetti orwhateverthehellmodel it is.

    The shame :(:(:(


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    #158
    magicbastarder
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    i think this is the article you mean?

    https://www.thejournal.ie/news-fix-evening-thursday-5115253-Jun2020/


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    #159
    Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/dannyboy1979/status/1260118604130979841

    Didn't take them long! These pricks are there nearly every morning

    I'm all for enforcing cycle lanes with an iron fist, but in fairness, where are the cash security men supposed to park?


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    #160
    Seth Brundle
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    Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »
    I'm all for enforcing cycle lanes with an iron fist, but in fairness, where are the cash security men supposed to park?
    On the road?
    There's no automatic entitlement to park on the cycle lane in the same way they wouldn't get away with pulling up onto the path and putting on the handbrake.
    There is also parking at the back of Pearse with an entrance there.


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    #161
    fat bloke
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i think this is the article you mean?

    https://www.thejournal.ie/news-fix-evening-thursday-5115253-Jun2020/

    Yeah, I think if you google "Fred" it links directly to it :D


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    #162
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    Must have been slim pickings in his LBS, he's a miser or they thought 'here's a Fred* if ever I saw one' :D

    That bike is no way worth more than 300 new and likely a 2x7 speed with shifters not from this century /shudders

    *Je Suis Fred

    EDIT: Wonder if he used the bike 2 Work scheme lol


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    #163
    ExMachina1000
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Muppet of a lawyer in UK who has a big chip on his shoulder wants:
    Mr Loophole lawyer says lockdown has led to “culture of toxic cycling”

    What is the issue with his suggestions?

    Is it the insurance or the safety equipment or what?


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    #164
    magicbastarder
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    oh dear.


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    #165
    AndrewJRenko
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    What is the issue with his suggestions?

    Is it the insurance or the safety equipment or what?

    Possibly the fact that UK motorists kill 5 people each day on UK roads, while cyclists kill 1 or 2 people each year. And he wants more regulation for cyclists, while he specialises in getting drunk drivers off the hook. Do you think he has any actual interest in road safety?


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    #166
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    What is the issue with his suggestions?

    Is it the insurance or the safety equipment or what?

    I'll leave this here :
    “Lack of cars has allowed a culture of toxic cycling to prevail on our empty roads as some riders claim the highways as their own,” Freeman continued.


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    #167
    ExMachina1000
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Possibly the fact that UK motorists kill 5 people each day on UK roads, while cyclists kill 1 or 2 people each year. And he wants more regulation for cyclists, while he specialises in getting drunk drivers off the hook. Do you think he has any actual interest in road safety?

    Probably not. If he specializes in getting people off drunk driving charges hes not a good guy.

    I'm not asking about his character though. More so about the suggestions. Realistically I don't think cyclists need any of the suggested with the exception of some sort of high vis vest. Helmets are personal choice. It's your head. Protect it if you choose. As more and more people cycle instead of drive in cities I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of new rules or regulations to come in. It is Ireland after all


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    #168
    ExMachina1000
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'll leave this here :

    Again that's his personal character and opinion. I'm talking about the suggestions of regulations etc


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    #169
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Again that's his personal character and opinion. I'm talking about the suggestions of regulations etc

    As mentioned in the piece, regulations, tax, insurance, license plates don't stop drivers speeding, or breaking the rules or he'd be out of a job so what would change if cyclists had to comply with those?


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    #170
    ExMachina1000
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As mentioned in the piece, regulations, tax, insurance, license plates don't stop drivers speeding, or breaking the rules or he'd be out of a job so what would change if cyclists had to comply with those?

    Leave drivers out of it. This is about cyclists. Unless you want to remove all of the above for motorists


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    #171
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Leave drivers out of it. This is about cyclists. Unless you want to remove all of the above for motorists


    Thanks for the laugh, I'll say good night to yee all. :D


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    #172
    ExMachina1000
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Thanks for the laugh, I'll say good night to yee all. :D

    I'm using your example.

    Il rephrase. Should any additional rules or regulation for cyclists be brought in ?


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    #173
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I'm using your example.

    Il rephrase. Should any additional rules or regulation for cyclists be brought in ?

    Like what ? It's already against the law to break red lights etc my point is having tax insurance and a licence plate doesn't deter people from breaking those whether in a car or on a bike. What would you suggest then for stopping cyclists breaking the rules?

    Would you have a similar set of suggestions for cars etc? People are people regardless of their mode of transport, someone breaking the rules on bike will probably do likewise in a car but would you having seen a car break a red light vow to report that person to the Gardai maybe? No that never happens.


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    #174
    Hurrache
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    What is the issue with his suggestions?

    Is it the insurance or the safety equipment or what?

    It starts when he opens his mouth.


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    #175
    CramCycle
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Leave drivers out of it. This is about cyclists. Unless you want to remove all of the above for motorists

    Motoring is a huge expense on the state, the people, evreyone. Insurance was brought in because, I tihnk a few years ago evrey road death caused by a motorist cost the state nearly a million when you factored in all the costs. While it would not have been as much when it was first brought in, it was still a burden to the state. Cycing accidents, in their totality, over the last 20 years probably don't even come close to the cost of one motoring fatality.

    Tax and reg plates would be a deterrent to cycling uptake, it would cost more to regulate and enforce than it would evre raise in funds. Its a net negaiteve in the immediate and the long tern as the cost to the health system years from now would be far larger without those cyclists who were put off.

    The two are not comparable and while they fall under similar laws in regards behaviour on the road, there is a reason there are exceptions for cyclists in regards insurance, tax, registration etc.

    Can you give one benefit from any of his suggestions?


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    #176
    magicbastarder
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    As always, what would extra regulations solve? Other than driving (pun intended) cyclists off their bikes.


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    #177
    Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    On the road?
    There's no automatic entitlement to park on the cycle lane in the same way they wouldn't get away with pulling up onto the path and putting on the handbrake.
    There is also parking at the back of Pearse with an entrance there.

    Didn't realise. I'm not familiar with the area. I've never cycled in the city centre. I've only cycled in Fingal where I live. I'm new to two wheels :D


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    #178
    Wishbone Ash
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    ... Insurance was brought in because, I tihnk a few years ago evrey road death caused by a motorist cost the state nearly a million when you factored in all the costs. While it would not have been as much when it was first brought in, it was still a burden to the state...
    When compulsory motor insurance was introduced in 1933, it was done to protect innocent third parties who suffered as the result of accidents. I don't think it had anything to do with relieving the burden of costs to the state but I'm open to correction.


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    #179
    Wishbone Ash
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    fat bloke wrote: »
    OMG, just caught a pic on the Journal of Richard Bruton arriving to Dáil Éireann ón his bike. Nothing against that, fair play to him...
    Fair play to him if he does so without his ministerial driver following behind in an empty car with his paperwork (as is often the case with public figures who 'cycle').


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    #180
    Hurrache
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    I've stopped listening to cantankerous Kenny but I was in getting tea and someone had him on there. I caught him being smarmy about bikes again. Seemed to have been discussion around public transport and Covid19 and someone had said that bike sales are great at the moment. Cranky ass turned around in a condescending tone and said when it comes to the time when there's wind and frost, where will your bike be then.

    Certainly true for some people, doesn't exclude him from being an ass.


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    #181
    ExMachina1000
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Motoring is a huge expense on the state, the people, evreyone. Insurance was brought in because, I tihnk a few years ago evrey road death caused by a motorist cost the state nearly a million when you factored in all the costs. While it would not have been as much when it was first brought in, it was still a burden to the state. Cycing accidents, in their totality, over the last 20 years probably don't even come close to the cost of one motoring fatality.

    Tax and reg plates would be a deterrent to cycling uptake, it would cost more to regulate and enforce than it would evre raise in funds. Its a net negaiteve in the immediate and the long tern as the cost to the health system years from now would be far larger without those cyclists who were put off.

    The two are not comparable and while they fall under similar laws in regards behaviour on the road, there is a reason there are exceptions for cyclists in regards insurance, tax, registration etc.

    Can you give one benefit from any of his suggestions?

    No there are no benefits. Seems like he has a grudge or an axe to grind.
    Not everyone can cycle to work though. This cyclist v motorists mentality is no benefit to anyone. Both need the road.

    Some of you went on the defensive straight away. I think some picked me up wrong from the get go


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