Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

polesheep

is_that_so wrote: »

The CMO has admitted this is very conservative and cautious approach. They don't know anything about 2 months hence but are not taking any chances whatsoever.

And therein lies the problem.

Penfailed

Speakerboxx wrote: »

So am I.

So you can't say that I have a 'stay at home' approach?

road_high

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Then they are not law abiding sensible people, they are selfish mé féiners. Let's call a spade a spade and not pretend otherwise.

If a spade was called a spade in the first place we wouldn’t be trapped in this bankrupting nonsense to start with!

is_that_so

polesheep wrote: »

And therein lies the problem.

It is but I reckon the new government will try to find a way to pull some of the Phase 5 stuff into Phase 4 or earlier. Once cases drop to very low levels it ceases to be a public health emergency.

Speakerboxx

is_that_so wrote: »

It is but I reckon the new government will try to find a way to pull some of the Phase 5 stuff into Phase 4 or earlier. Once cases drop to very low levels it ceases to be a public health emergency.

If you believe that, you would believe everything.

is_that_so

Speakerboxx wrote: »

If you believe that, you would believe everything.

This government and new government will be open to any proposed plans to advance openings. Beyond this, finding approaches to mitigate the economic cost will be to the forefront.

Penfailed

Speakerboxx wrote: »

If you believe that, you would believe everything.

It's funny that those making the most noise about opening up are also those that are most sceptical about it happening.

road_high

is_that_so wrote: »

It is but I reckon the new government will try to find a way to pull some of the Phase 5 stuff into Phase 4 or earlier. Once cases drop to very low levels it ceases to be a public health emergency.

I don’t think there will be a new government either. Current dead one will rattle on for another blast- Leo really wants to go again. Not waste time with FF and Greens

MrDavid1976

is_that_so wrote: »

It is but I reckon the new government will try to find a way to pull some of the Phase 5 stuff into Phase 4 or earlier. Once cases drop to very low levels it ceases to be a public health emergency.

It is in the gift of Govt to do this with the approval of parliament. No one elected Tony and his role like all civil servants is advisory - the executive is the Government.

In my view this is what should happen:

Phase 1 next week as planned.
Phase 2 and 3 together on 1 June with some modifications
Phase 4 on 15th June
Phase 5 on 30th June

There should be an emergency Cabinet sub Committee created similar to after the financial crisis - Taoiseach, finance, Health and Enterprise. The Taoiseach is in charge of all messaging.

A special task force will advise Govt on the arrangements for the education sector reporting by end July.

Local authority staff will assist the HSA in advising business on social distancing procedures - organised at local authority level.

The risk is that now they have made the Leaving Cert decision they will double down on all the other decisions.

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

Incoherent and arbitrary.

Some newspaper wag pointed out that it would be cheaper to replace UK buses with limousines given that they now only take one or two passengers.

Yeah, everyone is saying that their approach is incoherent. Stay alert though.

Stheno

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

It is in the gift of Govt to do this with the approval of parliament. No one elected Tony and his role like all civil servants is advisory - the executive is the Government.

In my view this is what should happen:

Phase 1 next week as planned.
Phase 2 and 3 together on 1 June with some modifications
Phase 4 on 15th June
Phase 5 on 30th June

There should be an emergency Cabinet sub Committee created similar to after the financial crisis - Taoiseach, finance, Health and Enterprise. The Taoiseach is in charge of all messaging.

A special task force will advise Govt on the arrangements for the education sector reporting by end July.

Local authority staff will assist the HSA in advising business on social distancing procedures - organised at local authority level.

The risk is that now they have made the Leaving Cert decision they will double down on all the other decisions.

Phase 2 will not happen in June 1

I am convinced they timed it for June 8 to get past the June bank holiday and avoid hordes descending on the likes of Howth which is usually insanely busy on that particular bank holiday

Widescreen

road_high wrote: »

Stopped listening to them weeks ago . They know fcuk all of what way the virus will be in two months time. We may see it fizzle out. Ridiculous to rule things out like this and Blanket declarations are about as useful as tony Holohan’s daily updates.

Fizzle Out! No chance of that until there is a vaccine. It's back in Wuhan now, where it started.

Penfailed

Golf clubs are opening on Monday ahead of those in the north. Reckless. *tongue firmly in cheek*

the kelt

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah, everyone is saying that their approach is incoherent. Stay alert though.

Their approach is a joke, we should be looking to how our EU counterparts are handling this.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-which-countries-are-under-lockdown-and-who-s-next

paw patrol

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Then they are not law abiding sensible people, they are selfish mé féiners. Let's call a spade a spade and not pretend otherwise.

we arent some hive mind or single organism . People should look after themselves because when the bills have to be paid , nobody else will.
Taxes will be jacked up and many people will struggle .

This isn't taking into account the knock on effect on other things like hospital appointments...etc or the loss of individual freedoms (something you clearly don't care about)

We can thank the shutdown which was completely unnecessary

MrDavid1976

Stheno wrote: »

Phase 2 will not happen in June 1

I am convinced they timed it for June 8 to get past the June bank holiday and avoid hordes descending on the likes of Howth which is usually insanely busy on that particular bank holiday

That is where their logic is wrong. If you limit people in a metropolitan area to 5km they will concentrate on where they can go. 20km and it is far less of an issue.

VonLuck

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

That is where their logic is wrong. If you limit people in a metropolitan area to 5km they will concentrate on where they can go. 20km and it is far less of an issue.

I think your logic is wrong. They're trying to keep the virus in concentrated areas and not for it to spread like wildfire throughout the country.

uli84

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/

Well well well Evidence suggests children not contributing significantly to spread of Covid-19 - HIQA

MrDavid1976

VonLuck wrote: »

I think your logic is wrong. They're trying to keep the virus in concentrated areas and not for it to spread like wildfire throughout the country.

That is a new theory.

The virus is now in clusters (many of which are State or State regulated). It is not in the community and is far more likely to spread (if it is there) in concentrated dense areas.

iamwhoiam

uli84 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/

Well well well Evidence suggests children not contributing significantly to spread of Covid-19 - HIQA

To be honest there was never evidence that they were ,.It was a bit like the toilet roll rush , no one knew who said it first and people ran with it . I have yet to read a medical research on the heightened spread among children yet from day one they were labelled super spreaders .

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

To be honest there was never evidence that they were ,.It was a bit like the toilet roll rush , no one knew who said it first and people ran with it . I have yet to read a medical research on the heightened spread among children yet from day one they were labelled super spreaders .

I think it was because in general children are super spreaders due to their propensity to not respect personnel space, wash hands and cough and sneeze everywhere. In the absence of evidence, it was assumed it would be similar. As we know more about this, and as kids are less severely impacted it has become clear that the are also less likely to spread the virus. This information should form a clear part of the strategy to get childcare/ schools back in operation

wakka12

Mike3287 wrote: »

Oh god what are they going to do in SK?

They have a death rate of 0.24% from confirmed cases and they can't have caught every single case, so it's probably closer to 0.10% death rate there than 0.20%

Media is loving that super spreader but with those numbers he probably won't have done any damage in terms of death

5 people have died under 50 years old in South Korea from Covid19, 5!

Out of a population of 50m

More probably died of alcohol that night he wen't clubbing

South Korea - 2.4% death rate from confirmed cases, not 0.24, considering they catch nearly every case it is very high.

Yes the number of deaths are small, but its not a static figure, hence the preemptive reaction from the South korean government. It's not something to take lightly, more than 15% of South Koreans are over 65

growleaves

I think it was because in general children are super spreaders due to their propensity to not respect personnel space

Report them to HR :pac:

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm already back at work.

you're not the only one, an awful lot have been working throughout this. I would say 40% maybe higher have been working for at least the last 2 weeks. White vans all over the place, shops, dentists (mine is open!) florists, landscapers (my neighbour got raised beds put in her garden yesterday, landscapers there the entire day), maintenance, industrial drainage like Dyno Rod, the list is endless.

I've been working throughout this, albeit in a redeployed area, but in an actual office. There were a 2/3 weeks where we were sent home (and I also had to self isolate) until they changed work practices but thankfully working most of the time in my workplace as many many people were! I got over any "fear" I had of Covid in early April. I am hand sanitizing and being socially distant. The people who have been locked up all this time going nowhere are the ones with the most fear now!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

you're not the only one, an awful lot have been working throughout this. I would say 40% maybe higher have been working for at least the last 2 weeks. White vans all over the place, shops, dentists (mine is open!) florists, landscapers (my neighbour got raised beds put in her garden yesterday, landscapers there the entire day), maintenance, industrial drainage like Dyno Rod, the list is endless.

To be fair, economically, the COVID-19 has been great for me financially. 70 euro/hr locums and unlimited overtime. So I don't really have an issue with people.going back to work in a safe and controlled manner.

stephenjmcd

Latest HSE hospital report issued this morning. Downward hospitalization trend continues thankfully.

As of 8pm last night there were 67 confirmed cases in ICU. 1 death in ICU in the previous 24 hours. Of the 67, 45 are ventilated. There are 20 suspected cases.

Likewise as of 8pm 487 confirmed cases in acute hospitals down from 512 at 8am yesterday morning.

There are as of 8pm 277 suspected cases in acute hospitals and this was 412 at 8am yesteday morning.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

So you can't say that I have a 'stay at home' approach?

you changed your tune recently...........in fact as soon as you went back to work.
The fear is in the perpetually "locked up" people.

hmmm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

To be honest there was never evidence that they were ,.It was a bit like the toilet roll rush , no one knew who said it first and people ran with it . I have yet to read a medical research on the heightened spread among children yet from day one they were labelled super spreaders .

There was an awful lot of "common sense" types telling us how children were obviously spreading the disease.

Just goes to show how important proper science is and not jumping to conclusions. Hopefully we can back this up with some more evidence, and if we were able to get the creches and primary schools back it would make a huge difference for families. I suspect the secondary schools will be different.

showpony1

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The vast majority I speak to are law abiding sensible people and are not going to comply if the restrictions are not lifted . They are happy to be aware , careful , wear masks , wash hands, socially distance and stay in 5kms but not happy at all to keep a lockdown going .

I do not understand how if everything is still closed and you will stay within 5km how it makes any difference at all if you comply or not? what do you mean by people won't comply?

Ginger n Lemon

Love catching up on this thread. Reading only posts with 5 likes or more, 100% of those are from pro economic brigade.

So, it seems like testing is not the only major issue in the country, our businesses are starving of cash. Below are developments on the 10,000 euro scheme announced on 2nd of May, still nowhere near to be seen:

"One business owner told TheJournal.ie that they were shocked when they called their local authority about the rates rebate only to be told they had no details about how the scheme would be operating.

“Businesses need cash-flow now. Not in a few weeks time,” they said, adding that the headline figure that businesses will get €10,000 is not the case. The rebate is the value of the rates paid last year, with many businesses paying as little as €1,500 in some cases.

“That is all that business will be entitled to. That is hardly enough to keep the lights on in some businesses,” they said, adding that in other countries such as the UK offering cash-flow loans and grants in a matter of days, not weeks."

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-supports-coronavirus-5097424-May2020/