Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Speakerboxx

Is everything ok to go ahead Monday for phase 1 of the ease of restrictions or can it be changed before then?

Theboinkmaster

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Is everything ok to go ahead Monday for phase 1 of the ease of restrictions or can it be changed before then?

yes everything is grand - Monday we're good to go.

iamwhoiam

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Is everything ok to go ahead Monday for phase 1 of the ease of restrictions or can it be changed before then?

All except the testing turnaround and the contact tracing .Again .,

MrDavid1976

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Is everything ok to go ahead Monday for phase 1 of the ease of restrictions or can it be changed before then?

I would not rule out a 3 week extension and 6 weeks between phases. Not that I would agree with it.

Aside from my scepticism - I understand advice will be given to Govt on Friday in relation to this.

NufcNavan

No new ICU admissions last night and something like 12 hospital admissions yesterday?

Surely the lockdown will become very difficult to justify if them numbers continue.

I thought the purpose of it was to make sure the hospitals weren't overrun during the inevitable surge, and they weren't. Now some people think this is the way it'll be until there's a vaccine. Which is it?

Ginger n Lemon

Newstalk

Our friend Tony wont be making face masks mandatory in public.

On Ryanair flights masks + temperature checks before boarding will be necessary.

Some crazy survey from GAA club member association says players dont want to return to action until a vaccine is found.

Oh boy.

_Kaiser_

NufcNavan wrote: »

No new ICU admissions last night and something like 12 hospital admissions yesterday?

Surely the lockdown will become very difficult to justify if them numbers continue.

I thought the purpose of it was to make sure the hospitals weren't overrun during the inevitable surge, and they weren't. Now some people think this is the way it'll be until there's a vaccine. Which is it?

It's increasingly evident that it's whatever the powers that be wish it to be in order to deflect from the systemic failures (again) within the HSE.

If they try to extend this out another few weeks at the weekend (wouldn't surprise me if they try to go to beyond the June bank holiday), I'd expect the majority of people and businesses will ignore it. Many (but unfortunately not enough) of the latter are preparing to reopen as we speak and for some it'll be their last chance to reopen.

Unless the Gardai actually enforce the restrictions ("your papers please"), life will start getting back to normal - with sensible precautions such as social distancing - for the majority... which is exactly as it should and indeed NEEDS to be.

mcko

Hi Quick question , I am cocooning since March and my doctor has signed me off work until 15 on June, can my job force me to come back to work if my doctors signs me off.

mcko

mcko wrote: »

Hi Quick question , I am cocooning since March and my doctor has signed me off work until 15 on June, can my job force me to come back to work if my doctors signs me off.

No. The advice is still to for at risk categories to cocoon. I don't think they could force you to go back to work but they may keep you on 350 euro payment. Depends on your sickness policy, really, I have 6 months full sick pay and 6 months half pay before I would have to go for social welfare assistance. So a bit of a safety net if I was ever to go off.

Assetbacked

Koa Victorious Pedestrian wrote: »

They can motor on this an extension if they want. Myself and the vast majority of the country have complied fully since early March. I will not be continuing as is for another 3 weeks if these numbers continue to fall as they have been for the last number of days/weeks.

Yep, this seems to be the more widespread, common sense attitude anecdotally I am seeing too. The people are the ones that chose to follow the guidance to lockdown which has in effect given a holiday to the health system the past two months. People and businesses are clued in enough to see that good social distancing and hygiene practices are needed so will get out and about more using their own brains over the coming weeks. We will hopefully see a snowball effect with people seeing others out and about and then getting out themselves.

ChelseaRentBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

No. The advice is still to for at risk categories to cocoon. I don't think they could force you to go back to work but they may keep you on 350 euro payment. Depends on your sickness policy, really, I have 6 months full sick pay and 6 months half pay before I would have to go for social welfare assistance. So a bit of a safety net if I was ever to go off.

That's some policy. Do you mind me asking where you work ?

Beasty

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

That's some policy. Do you mind me asking where you work ?

I've got the same, but I'm the only one in the company (of 10s of thousands) with that sick pay "deal" as my contract goes back 30+ years!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

I would not rule out a 3 week extension and 6 weeks between phases. Not that I would agree with it.

Aside from my scepticism - I understand advice will be given to Govt on Friday in relation to this.

Pulling numbers out of your arse, there!!

Unless there is a sudden rise in cases or unforeseen event, the restrictions will be eased as planned. If said event were to happen, there would be no "three weeks" - if would be indefinite. And as for the six-weeks between phases...? - that's just stupid: the virus has a two-week incubation period. Waiting an extra four weeks is pointless.

MrDavid1976

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Pulling numbers out of your arse, there!!

Unless there is a sudden rise in cases or unforeseen event, the restrictions will be eased as planned. If said event were to happen, there would be no "three weeks" - if would be indefinite. And as for the six-weeks between phases...? - that's just stupid: the virus has a two-week incubation period. Waiting an extra four weeks is pointless.

I think you should read what I said as very cynical. I think we need to move much quicker to relax.

Speakerboxx

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Pulling numbers out of your arse, there!!

Unless there is a sudden rise in cases or unforeseen event, the restrictions will be eased as planned. If said event were to happen, there would be no "three weeks" - if would be indefinite. And as for the six-weeks between phases...? - that's just stupid: the virus has a two-week incubation period. Waiting an extra four weeks is pointless.

They really can't hold back any longer. If so i expect people to start rioting and protesting.

stephenjmcd

Latest HSE hospital report

As of 8pm last night there were 69 confirmed covid cases in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there were 529 confirmed covid patients in acute hospitals.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

I think you should read what I said as very cynical. I think we need to move much quicker to relax.

Fair enough, but when you spout random numbers, you also obscure the cynicism.

ChelseaRentBoy

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

That's some policy. Do you mind me asking where you work ?

HSE but matched my previous NHS benefits.

hmmm

NufcNavan wrote: »

No new ICU admissions last night and something like 12 hospital admissions yesterday?

Surely the lockdown will become very difficult to justify if them numbers continue.

Well this is exactly what we were hoping for at this stage - but the next stage as we start relaxing restrictions, we'll need to monitor whether those numbers start accelerating again. Unfortunately there's a 2/3 week lag between when a person gets infected, and when they might need hospitalisation.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So, good morning.

I see that over the last 2 days, with more articles coming out saying "retirement age will be increased for the elderly, tax hikes will be required to pay back for covid payments" people in this thread are starting to lean towards lets get our country back to work rather than lets hide at home and get those new cases down to 10 per day.

Here is something interesting and controversial

Brazil president came out and said "Virus will not kill as many people as unemployment, this is why I do not want to lockdown the country"

It does seem like Bojo supports this

"Boris Johnson's call for Britain's workforce to return to their jobs has been widely criticised as "wrong" this morning, while London's road traffic has soared by 16 per cent compared to last week. "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-end-lockdown-boris-johnson-new-rules-school/

I think countries are starting to realise (some of them quickly) that lockdowns will bankrupt and create poverty for ALL. All countries now seem to be desperate to get their economy back working, apart from us

Not sure I'd quote those two as pillars of economic-political theory rather lying greedy power-hungry parasites to be fair, but I suppose that's judging the source.

It depends on how many deaths you want to pay as the price for said activity, and how unwilling you are to help fund a nation going through a depression.

KrustyUCC

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

I would not rule out a 3 week extension and 6 weeks between phases. Not that I would agree with it.

Aside from my scepticism - I understand advice will be given to Govt on Friday in relation to this.

Good luck to them trying to justify any extension before phase one and dragging phases out any more when our plan is painfully slow as it is

bloodless_coup

The incompetence of the HSE and it's employees are holding the country back from reopening, with every delay more businesses will go bust and it'll be another nail in the coffin of the economy and our future.

As a country we pour money into the HSE, more than most countries, and get nothing but a shambles in return.

Ginger n Lemon

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not sure I'd quote those two as pillars of economic-political theory rather lying greedy power-hungry parasites to be fair, but I suppose that's judging the source.

It depends on how many deaths you want to pay as the price for said activity, and how unwilling you are to help fund a nation going through a depression.

You can quote them or you can quote New Zealand PM, at the end of the day UK people elected Bojo, Brazil people elected Bolsonaro with huge margins. (UK election was a monopoly sort of thing lol)

They make decisions that affect their nations, economically and health wise.

We have non elected officials shutting down our businesses for 5 months.

Real question is, if UK deaths in 2020 will be less than 2019, will they be branded as "success story" dealing with the "virus"?

bloodless_coup

bloodless_coup wrote: »

The incompetence of the HSE and it's employees are holding the country back from reopening, with every delay more businesses will go bust and it'll be another nail in the coffin of the economy and our future.

As a country we pour money into the HSE, more than most countries, and get nothing but a shambles in return.

It's a mighty change from #frontlineheroes. Can't wait until people start telling me I'm "lucky" to have a job.

Fann Linn

bloodless_coup wrote: »

The incompetence of the HSE and it's employees are holding the country back from reopening, with every delay more businesses will go bust and it'll be another nail in the coffin of the economy and our future.

As a country we pour money into the HSE, more than most countries, and get nothing but a shambles in return.

Why would you expect change? It is the same Simon Harris led operation which had votes of confidence calls on him prior to this crisis.

_Kaiser_

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a mighty change from #frontlineheroes. Can't wait until people start telling me I'm "lucky" to have a job.

There's a difference between the actual front-line staff, and the bloated, inefficient admin and management behind them.

It's the latter people have problems with, not the former.

Also.. Twitter hashtags are meaningless, as is most of what's spewed on that or Facebook. I wouldn't take that as any indication of support (or lack thereof) anyway.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

There's a difference between the actual front-line staff, and the bloated, inefficient admin and management behind them.

It's the latter people have problems with, not the former.

Also.. Twitter hashtags are meaningless, as is most of what's spewed on that or Facebook. I wouldn't take that as any indication of support (or lack thereof) anyway.

He said employees, HCA's cleaners, nurses etc are all employees of the HSE. His intentions are clear.

As an aside, I always knew that the general public would come to blame the employees. I imagine by end of June, they will be calling for more specific taxes on the public sector.

is_that_so

bloodless_coup wrote: »

The incompetence of the HSE and it's employees are holding the country back from reopening, with every delay more businesses will go bust and it'll be another nail in the coffin of the economy and our future.

As a country we pour money into the HSE, more than most countries, and get nothing but a shambles in return.

Hmm, HSE, incompetent, shambles, a nail in the coffin. Seems I've seen this post somewhere before. Not holding them up as a paragon of anything but they've generally responded well to this. For me it is the equivalent of getting a 60-mile long ship to change direction. It was never going to be pretty, deft, nimble or anywhere close to perfect. I think they have shown they can respond and they've got a guy at the top who can get things done. There is plenty that can go wrong but there is more optimism that it can get a lot better.

facehugger99

Watching Claire Byrne last night and the absolute shambles that has been made of nursing homes in this country, despite the forewarning we got from Italy and Spain about the demographic that was most at risk from this virus, would make your blood boil.

All presided over by Dr. Tony who is now systematically wrecking the economy and future for millions of our citizens in a cynical attempt to cover his arse.

It's absolutely criminal what is being allowed to happen.

In the coming months and years, this absolute sh't-show will be laid bare and the chronic mismanagement exposed. It'll all be too late by then of course. Dr Tony, Leo and Simon will be sipping pina coladas on their obscene pensions while we try and scrape together a future for our kids.

ixoy

Deleted User wrote: »

He said employees, HCA's cleaners, nurses etc are all employees of the HSE. His intentions are clear.

I honestly think you're picking it up wrong - when people think of the HSE in this context, they mean the admin staff which have a very poor reputation. They're not thinking of the people on the ground.

As an aside, I always knew that the general public would come to blame the employees. I imagine by end of June, they will be calling for more specific taxes on the public sector.

Well yes, and it's understandable to an extent - there's public and civil service workers who are on full pay but not working (workplaces are closed down for a number of departments and no, not everyone has been re-deployed) and private sector workers, also forced to close, receiving potentially far smaller payouts which are also going to be phased out.
Not saying that it's right to look at it that way, but it could quite likely happen.