Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

sydthebeat

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I read

"World Health Organization (WHO) chief scientist Dr Soumya Swaminathan says that children are "less capable" of spreading the virus, and are at "very low risk" of getting ill from the disease.

"What we have seen in countries where schools have remained open is that there have not been big outbreaks in schools."

at bottom of article. seem very safe?

good morning btw

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"Less capable" and "very low risk" does not equate to...... "children cannot catch the disease".....

Which was what was said in the article I quoted.

Your post has nothing at all to do with what I posted, so not sure why you quoted me

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Different topic but there is no justification for that 200,000 to keep getting the €350 going forward

They need to start tapering those people off getting back towards regular dole as the extra money will need to be paid back with interest

It'll be here until July anyway. After that you'd expect to see it pulled back and redirected onto standard welfare payments. It's a cheap price for a sense of collective responsibility and solidarity.

paw patrol

it's worrying that the government and Dr Tony are continuing on this track.
How on earth can you justify being in the middle of phase 2 or 3 when new infections are only a trickle? But they will
they seem intent on dragging this on .....

I suspect that ,particularly after the lows of the cervical cancer scandal , Dr Tony is on a major ego buzz with the deification he is receiving now. Addicted to his own hype. He is probably erect 24/7 at the moment suffering a massive dose of hypermania.

this is dangerous technocracy enabled by Leo being in awe of his medical superior and failing to do his job of balance what is best for the country.

For the love of jesus, what are the senior heads in FG thinking?? - does Leo have no mentor type in FG to pull him aside saying -this is SH1T.

Cos when the bill must be paid , the only thing to save FG will be the lack of a proper opposition.

is_that_so

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Getting more embarrassing by the day

"Over 200,000 earning more on Covid-19 unemployment payment
Over a third of recipients were paid less than €300 a week before payment was introduced"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/over-200-000-earning-more-on-covid-19-unemployment-payment-1.4258634?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fover-200-000-earning-more-on-covid-19-unemployment-payment-1.4258634

Incompetence through the roof. We ll make another headline other than 5 months lockdown for pubs cinemas gyms, we also gave out more money to people than what they were earning before covid. How does this lockdown continue for another week let alone a month is beyond me.

Apart from an excuse for a rant, how could they have been more competent? Let's not forget the huge numbers and the almost instant end to all economic activity underscoring the need for a swift response.

is_that_so

paw patrol wrote: »

it's worrying that the government and Dr Tony are continuing on this track.
How on earth can you justify being in the middle of phase 2 or 3 when new infections are only a trickle? But they will
but they seem intent on dragging this on .....

I suspect that ,particularly after the lows of the cervical cancer scandal , Dr Tony is on a major ego buzz with the deification he is receiving now. Addicted to his own hype. He is probably erect 24/7 at the moment suffering a massive dose of hypermania.

this is dangerous technocracy enabled by Leo being in awe of his medical superior and failing to do his job of balance what is best for the country.

For the love of jesus, what are the senior heads in FG thinking?? - does Leo have no mentor type in FG to pull him aside saying -this is SH1T.

Cos when the bill must be paid , the only thing to save FG will be the lack of a proper opposition.

And your plan is what exactly?

uli84

Shops are desperate to open, Homestore and More is opening now but:

“ In accordance with government guidelines, we have repurposed our stores and are not selling homeware in store at the present time. We have closed furniture, bedding, curtains, crockery or other such departments.

We are selling permitted items only including cleaning, garden, pet, electrical and cycling.”

How ridiculous is that? Do they seriously think that people will come in thousands to my local which is never busy anyways to buy bedding?

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

it's worrying that the government and Dr Tony are continuing on this track.
How on earth can you justify being in the middle of phase 2 or 3 when new infections are only a trickle? But they will
but they seem intent on dragging this on .....

I suspect that ,particularly after the lows of the cervical cancer scandal , Dr Tony is on a major ego buzz with the deification he is receiving now. Addicted to his own hype. He is probably erect 24/7 at the moment suffering a massive dose of hypermania.

this is dangerous technocracy enabled by Leo being in awe of his medical superior and failing to do his job of balance what is best for the country.

For the love of jesus, what are the senior heads in FG thinking?? - does Leo have no mentor type in FG to pull him aside saying -this is SH1T.

Cos when the bill must be paid , the only thing to save FG will be the lack of a proper opposition.

Some well thought out, balanced points there

Pitch n Putt

is_that_so wrote: »

And your plan is what exactly?

Simple plan really.

Open the country up and forget about hiding behind the If this happens if that happens.

Nothing can happen if you happen to do nothing.

There is no need for this to be continued until August. Total over reaction which is going to have the country and people ruined.

is_that_so

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Simple plan really.

Open the country up and forget about hiding behind the If this happens if that happens.

Nothing can happen if you happen to do nothing.

There is no need for this to be continued until August. Toys over reaction which is going to have the country and people ruined.

So the old it'll be grand plan!

uli84

uli84 wrote: »

Shops are desperate to open, Homestore and More is opening now but:

“ In accordance with government guidelines, we have repurposed our stores and are not selling homeware in store at the present time. We have closed furniture, bedding, curtains, crockery or other such departments.

We are selling permitted items only including cleaning, garden, pet, electrical and cycling.”

How ridiculous is that? Do they seriously think that people will come in thousands to my local which is never busy anyways to buy bedding?

That is genuinely mental. They can only open their shop if they put their home stuff away? Our rules are bizarre.

Nevermind the fact that Dunnes have been selling homeware and clothes this entire time. Can really see the government running themselves into trouble with 1 rule for 1 business and 1 for another.

Pitch n Putt

is_that_so wrote: »

So the old it'll be grand plan!

It’s the same as saying a second wave will be coming if you open a pub or restaurant.

How long do you wait 6 months 8 months??

Zero cases ? Vaccine?

stephenjmcd

First time I've seen Leo even answer a question on a quicker reopening

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1263389626997317632?s=19

Ginger n Lemon

is_that_so wrote: »

Apart from an excuse for a rant, how could they have been more competent? Let's not forget the huge numbers and the almost instant end to all economic activity underscoring the need for a swift response.

I am in a rant mood I have to say, particularly grumpy today as I cant believe we are still doing this financial haemorrhage to our economy while all the news article report "Covid 19 cases reach 5 million" .... yeah okay. With 3 million recovered if not more, but that recovered sh*t gets close to 0 coverage.

Okay so, 203 a week for everyone who lost their job/temporary laid off + mortgage freezes. Why 350?? 350 is tons of money if you arent going to commute, if you arent going to eat in a restaurant, if you arent going to the pub to spend 5 euros for a pint.

First saving, instantly. Plus you wont have as hard time encouraging people to go back to work.

2nd off, why shut down construction/ outdoors work? Majority of countries have never done this. There has been 0 clusters or deaths at construction sites due to covid.

3rd off, why do we need more than 2 months of lockdown to come up with a strategy on how to deal with a virus? Why do we need pubs to stay shut for 5 months? Cinemas? Gyms? Are these places well known for disease spreading? no.

Jim Root

VonLuck wrote: »

Where are the studies stating that most people are breaching it?

Can anyone not have a discussion anymore without someone responding seeking a fcuking study? It’s clearly anecdotal.

Kermit.de.frog

Deleted User wrote: »

Growing numbers of people out and about now every day. There won't be another lockdown, we couldn't afford it anyways.

Does not matter. If it's required, it's required.

State bankruptcy and an international bailout will be more likely if people refuse to follow rules.

So, in my view what you'd be better off doing is making sure people follow the rules and encouraging everyone to so.

It's in everyone's interest ultimately.

But if cases and deaths spike, as sure as night follows day, restrictions will be implemented again.

Pitch n Putt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

First time I've seen Leo even answer a question on a quicker reopening

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1263389626997317632?s=19

“Fast track only if data allows “

That’s that so see you all in 2021.

Dr Tony and NPHET can deliver the data whatever way suits their own agenda best.

Maybe in July we could throw in 200 cases from March incase things were progressing too well :pac:

is_that_so

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

It’s the same as saying a second wave will be coming if you open a pub or restaurant.

How long do you wait 6 months 8 months??

Zero cases ? Vaccine?

We know where the end of these phases are and it's not in six months. We cannot overlook the possibility of another wave of this later in the year but we'll be better prepared.

paw patrol

is_that_so wrote: »

And your plan is what exactly?

Go back to normal with full freedom of movement.
Open all business , shops, pubs, restaurants and schools etc.

Although at this stage no harm in extra summer hols for kids ...but do the LC ffs.

If you want to have measures such as

• hand sanitizer everywhere
• masks on public transport
• work from home where possible
• etc...
  

fire away.

If you are worried stay in and isolate but let those who aren't go freely about their lives. you know general normal humanity stuff when we can fart about at our leisure and not leave in fear.

The measures were overblown and excessive ( not the initial one but secondary one - the 2km and all that....)

And finally jail anybody who mentions "a new normal".


It's not that much to ask

is_that_so

Jim Root wrote: »

Can anyone not have a discussion anymore without someone responding seeking a fcuking study? It’s clearly anecdotal.

Your anecdote is not my anecdote and it fast becomes pantomime!

ixoy

paw patrol wrote: »

And finally jail anybody who mentions "a new normal".

I think "the new normal" is my most hated phrase out of all of this.

Pitch n Putt

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

What exactly do people think the agenda is here?

I can understand frustration with the measures we have in place, It gets to me at times as well, but the idea that Tony Holohan has some unspecified agenda to keep the country closed makes no sense to me.

Well Dr Tony has no great agenda or interests in opening the country for some strange reason.

It’s always the doomsday scenario with him.

Second wave, If restrictions are to be lifted today , as low as possible ,
We’re not where we want to be etc etc and so on

Kermit.de.frog

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

“Fast track only if data allows “

That’s that so see you all in 2021.

Dr Tony and NPHET can deliver the data whatever way suits their own agenda best.

Maybe in July we could throw in 200 cases from March incase things were progressing too well :pac:

What 'agenda' is this?

All a big conspiracy, is it?

Why not go full Gemma while you're at it?:D

VonLuck

Deleted User wrote: »

Do we all need to have studies and links to what’s right in front of our noses? It’s visible everywhere . It’s called cop on and common sense. I met friends for outdoor coffee yesterday and they all said they’re not staying within 5km.

So it's anecdotal evidence...

Anyone that I've spoken to has said they're sticking to the 5km limit. Does that mean most people are obeying the restrictions?

NegativeCreep

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What 'agenda' is this?

All a big conspiracy, is it?

Why not go full Gemma while you're at it?:D

Can I ask what will be different in August that will allow everything to be open then?

VonLuck

ixoy wrote: »

I think "the new normal" is my most hated phrase out of all of this.

Oh I don't know. "Curtain Twitcher", "Lockdown Brigade" and "Karens" are up there as well!

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Some well thought out, balanced points there

It wasnt balanced at all.
It was a rant designed for the internet borne of frustration from the situation we are in.

Due to the absolute state of the government that we're unfortunate to suffer from and the numpties who cheers them on.
Those curtain twitchers and tell-tales only delighted to report on kids on their local facebook page etc.

The absolute state this country has become in a matter of weeks.


You want balance ? read a thesis or something.

Ginger n Lemon

ixoy wrote: »

I think "the new normal" is my most hated phrase out of all of this.

Fully agree.

Elderly are dying, 90% with underlying conditions such as lung disease, heart disease, cancer, unfortunately, with covid on their death certificates.

So 5 million population of Ireland has to stay at home, children cant go to schools, officer workers cant go to the office, we must create 30bn budget deficit and increase retirement age & taxes in October, people can't avail of cancer screening indefinitely until HSE boss says otherwise, we cant hug our parents/grandparents, 15-20% long term unemployment created, university students cant socialize or attend classes with majority going "online", we tell all our hospitality sector to reduce capacity by 50%, lay off 50% of staff, businesses are shutting down and we say "oh they had high rents".

Where is the "normal" part in any of this??

bush

uli84 wrote: »

Shops are desperate to open, Homestore and More is opening now but:

“ In accordance with government guidelines, we have repurposed our stores and are not selling homeware in store at the present time. We have closed furniture, bedding, curtains, crockery or other such departments.

We are selling permitted items only including cleaning, garden, pet, electrical and cycling.”

How ridiculous is that? Do they seriously think that people will come in thousands to my local which is never busy anyways to buy bedding?

They should have opened up and sell what they wanted. If dunnes can do it why can't they?

is_that_so

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Well Dr Tony has no great agenda or interests in opening the country for some strange reason.

It’s always the doomsday scenario with him.

Second wave, If restrictions are to be lifted today , as low as possible ,
We’re not where we want to be etc etc and so on

Encouraged, hopeful, very pleased, disease is behaving ->We are on the right track
Concerned, alarmed, troubled, too early to say -> Stay the course
We could not advise, not where we want to be -> This is not changing soon

LiquidZeb

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What 'agenda' is this?

All a big conspiracy, is it?

Why not go full Gemma while you're at it?:D

Hurr Durr Gemma hurr Durr anti vax hurr Durr. Change the record and actually come up with an argument why our restrictions are dragging on months behind the rest of the EU.