It’s Monday Mourning & we are in the midst of a Sahara Desert if Shocking Statistics:

jetfiremuck

So who's going to be a plumber fs

2smiggy

there are too m,any 3rd level courses anyway. Many are just financial burdens on parents, for a worthless qualification

notwhoyouthink

lertsnim wrote: »

You cannot change the whole system with 4 month's notice FFS.

We did it with the health service!!

BarryD2

notwhoyouthink wrote: »

Joe is 100% correct. And I'm serious

Let people take a test at the end of first year!!!!!!! This is how it works in the USA - your grades in first two years determine what programme you go into, and so you speicalize in years 3 and 4

Joe has found the solution - he speak imminent sense, and Joe McHigh should be listening.

He loves running an agenda but I agree, general entry as per UCD science courses is the way forward. Let everyone do a standard core 1st year course perhaps with some extra modules geared to their interests. Then sort them out after 1st year, let them figure out if it's for them and what area to apply for. Would p*ss off a few who know exactly what they want to do but sure what's another year these days.

ButtersSuki

sligojoek wrote: »

Why is he bothering to ask this woman questions when he won't listen to a word she says?

Are you new here? :pac:

Busi_Girl08

Gonna guess he's only going to have people on who agree with his brill-ant, brill-ant idea.

ButtersSuki

Mr. Duffy: I completely agree with you caller seeing as you agree with me.

dvcireland

There was a time if you had the sponduliks, you could do any course you wanted

urgelgru

It's like Saipan Joe!

notwhoyouthink

BarryD2 wrote: »

He loves running an agenda but I agree, general entry as per UCD science courses is the way forward. Let everyone do a standard core 1st year course perhaps with some extra modules geared to their interests. Then sort them out after 1st year, let them figure out if it's for them and what area to apply for. Would p*ss off a few who know exactly what they want to do but sure what's another year these days.

Absolutely - it is a proven model

BarryD2

ButtersSuki wrote: »

No he's not. And it's very simple.

If you can only teach and train say 200 Medical Students in a year and 5,000 people want to do it how do you accommodate the other 4,800? Many courses are ridiculously over-subscribed - that's why we have a points system.

You're missing the point Butters, old style thinking.

You don't put 5,000 into medicine. They go into a general entry year and then apply towards end of that...... not that hard to figure out

Gods Gift

lertsnim wrote: »

You cannot change the whole system with 4 month's notice FFS.

That’s a very defeatist attitude

thecretinhop

teachers whining already joes ideas are as smart as monkey with machine gun

The most intelligent person I have worked with was one of the porters. He and I used to do IQ & advanced aptitude tests during our coffee break, for a bit of entertainment. He could solve the most obscure problems, like a human computer he was. Zero education, was sick as a chiseler, left school at 12. No problem he could not solve in a matter of seconds.

bigroad

Roger_007 wrote: »

Two teaching salaries and a farm.
Tough times for that couple?

That's actually a quiet popular setup
Farm plus public service job.hungry c,TS.

notwhoyouthink

thecretinhop wrote: »

teachers whining already joes ideas are as smart as monkey with machine gun

Yes, teachers from private schools who sell LC points.

ButtersSuki

BarryD2 wrote: »

He loves running an agenda but I agree, general entry as per UCD science courses is the way forward. Let everyone do a standard core 1st year course perhaps with some extra modules geared to their interests. Then sort them out after 1st year, let them figure out if it's for them and what area to apply for. Would p*ss off a few who know exactly what they want to do but sure what's another year these days.

That's not what he's saying though. He's saying they should be allowed into whatever course they want.

If you do a general course you're just extending the ourse by a year. Take Med and Accountancy - there's no general course you can do that will cover the syllabus for both in Year 1.

As usual, this is ill thought out reflex horsemanure from Mr. Duffy.

dvcireland

Mother by choice, Kerry woman by the grace of god

urgelgru

"Why is the Minister making an announcement?"

2smiggy

tears ?????

Atlantic Dawn

Why is this chap getting his Ma to ring in?

Atlantic Dawn

He must have made a bollix of the mocks.

Sorolla

Why not give them there 3rd choice on the CAO

nobody ever gets there first choice so to speak

2smiggy

we don't want idiots practising medicine perhaps ?

Atlantic Dawn

There's no market for 4000 trained doctors here.

pc7

Ha ha they have too! Just use hpat for medicine

ButtersSuki

BarryD2 wrote: »

You're missing the point Butters, old style thinking.

You don't put 5,000 into medicine. They go into a general entry year and then apply towards end of that...... not that hard to figure out

I'm not, that's not what he's saying if you listen. He's saying let them do whatever they want/let them do their first choice - which is very different from a general entry model.

dvcireland

Liveline , Monday to Friday, for the strange times

notwhoyouthink

Absolutely !!

Joe is right - he feels passiontaley about this

Joe is the greatest advocate for social justice this country has ever had

Sorolla

2smiggy wrote: »

we don't want idiots practising medicine perhaps ?

Practice makes perfect