Ungrateful or does he have a point?

Spook_ie

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/direct-provision-if-that-is-the-kindness-of-the-irish-state-i-would-hate-to-experience-its-cruelty-996264.html

"If that is the kindness and compassion of the Irish State, I would hate to experience its cruelty."

A quote from a refugee in direct provision here in Ireland, my initial reaction is like WTF you're alive to complain about it at least!

Should we be more welcoming, less or just as it is now?

Arghus

Hot takes incoming.

LeYouth

No i don't give a fcuk about people in direct provision. Sorry

Fann Linn

Close the door behind you. Bye bye.

Direct provision is inhumane & should be changed.
But the whole system needs to be speeded up. No reason to have people here for years before a decision is made.
Do it quickly.

LeYouth

LeYouth wrote: »

No i don't give a fcuk about people in direct provision. Sorry

Wow.
What a nice person you are

Jurgen Klopp

Thank this if you enjoy eating ass

un5byh7sqpd2x0

bubblypop wrote: »

Direct provision is inhumane & should be changed.
But the whole system needs to be speeded up. No reason to have people here for years before a decision is made.
Do it quickly.

Deport them all

Fatima Purring Sty

Fatima Purring Sty wrote: »

Deport them all

Oh yeah? Who exactly would you deport?
Everyone seeking asylum? What about refugees?

Rodney Bathgate

No ‘jog on’ option?

If these lads don’t like it then they shouldn’t have cherry picked Ireland as their destination choice.

We know that there aren’t direct flights from many of the source countries, we know Ireland isn’t the first EU state they set foot in. They choose to come to Ireland knowing that direct provision system is in place in Ireland.

Rodney Bathgate

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh yeah? Who exactly would you deport?
Everyone seeking asylum? What about refugees?

Most are bogus anyway. Economic migrants to a country which now a massive deficit in employment opportunities.

Time we stopped being a soft touch.

Rob Thomas

Direct provision isn't perfect but the major issue imo is the length of time it takes to decide an application.

No doubt a minority of the people arriving here and claiming asylum are attracted by our welfare system ahead of our human rights record but I do think it's crazy how it can take a number of years to sort out an application.

It should be done in months rather than years and if you don't meet the criteria then immediately ship home. If you do qualify then a small short term support payment but you need to get into workplace or education inside 3 months. A short term Visa or something, reviewed in the short term.

There was a woman on Tommy Tiernan lately who was in the application system and she seemed a very capable lady but wouldn't/couldn't discuss her case he did miss one question I thought- why did she cross so many other countries including the UK, where she could have claimed asylum in order to claim it in Ireland.

A lot of people are coming from unimaginable situations but the minority are clogging the system for the good.

Tork

What country does this dude come from? It isn't mentioned in the article. Would it be a country from which there are no direct flights to Ireland?

seasidedub

I currently work with a woman who became pregnant with and subsequently married and later divorced a Nigerian asylum seeker. His claim was that he was involuntarily born into a cult like situation who tortured him and would kill him if he was sent back. His proof was multiple scarring - which was actually ritual tribal scarring from his manhood ceremony. Our idiots bought it, he was given leave to remain, freely admitted to colleague that Ireland is a preferred destination due to the high and importantly - life long benefits here.

His friends fraudulently claimed they were from Ivory Coast where there was a war at the time and were given leave to remain.

A common practice is to sell prsi numbers if you leave Ireland, the buyer then works with one and claims with another.

Things have tightened up, true, but there are still a huge number of non-genuine asylum seekers in the system.

And - many countries have direct provision, Germany, Finland for starters.

What's so wrong about this is that chancers and downright fraudsters choke up the system for genuine refugees who truly need international protection.

Black South Africans - a number have gotten asylum, why? There's no war and allegedly freedom and equality in SA. Do white South Africans get asylum? Not to my knowledge.

That Ukrainian kid who was in DP and did well in the leaving cert so was given a free ride to UCD/Trinity to do physiotherapy - she wasn't from Crimea, no war, why were they here?

Begruding individuals asylum/education etc seems petty, but loosening rules makes us an easy target, and we are. I worked in a gypsy village in Central Europe and they knew all about Ireland, better benefits than UK, soft touch people, they called a person who went to Ireland "zlati prenasalec" = golden retriever.....

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Most are bogus anyway. Economic migrants to a country which now a massive deficit in employment opportunities.

Time we stopped being a soft touch.

Which is why we need to speed up the process

SEPT 23 1989

Absolute brass neck

Better Than Christ

What's the opposite of 'virtue signalling'? I mean, is there a term for that, apart from the obvious?

un5byh7sqpd2x0

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh yeah? Who exactly would you deport?
Everyone seeking asylum? What about refugees?

Yep, all them. And you too.

Fatima Purring Sty

Fatima Purring Sty wrote: »

Yep, all them. And you too.

Why me!!

Quantum Erasure

Tork wrote: »

What country does this dude come from? It isn't mentioned in the article. Would it be a country from which there are no direct flights to Ireland?

I don't know, but my first reaction when i clicked the link was "That's Michael from 'Lost'. what's Harold Perrineau doing in direct provision, in Ireland??"

suicide_circus

Mr Mfaco would have have got a lot more traction on this if he'd launched his campaign 6 months ago.

unlucky mate

Better Than Christ

Better Than Christ wrote: »

What's the opposite of 'virtue signalling'? I mean, is there a term for that, apart from the obvious?

Would still be virtue signalling, just playing to a different crowd.

Jurgen Klopp

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

If I was fleeing a warzone where me and my families lives were threatened a safe nation with a roof over our heads and food in our bellies would be heaven, especially if it was was the rural centres

However if say I was a piss taker economic migrant who was abusing the system or one who thought I would be given the keys to a council house and full dole on arrival I might be surprised and start moaning

Spot on.

ChikiChiki

Direct Provision is nothing more than a money making racket set up to cater for failed hoteliers and other friends of the Government. That being both FF and FG.

washman3

Tork wrote: »

What country does this dude come from? It isn't mentioned in the article. Would it be a country from which there are no direct flights to Ireland?

Cape Town, South Africa.
He had a similar article in the Irish Times in 2018.
Check it out.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

bubblypop wrote: »

Why me!!

Sometimes I watch you passing by my window
And sometimes I watch you passing through my dreams
And sometimes, when I look at you
You take my breath away

seasidedub

washman3 wrote: »

Cape Town, South Africa.
He had a similar article in the Irish Times in 2018.
Check it out.

So what is his reason for seeking asylum? South Africa is allegedly a democratic, equal and free society where as far as I am aware there is no war. Apartheid is history. There is widespread poverty - but if that's a reason to be granted asylum then the entire EU/US/Canada/Aus/NZ would be flooded.

Rodney Bathgate

seasidedub wrote: »

So what is his reason for seeking asylum? South Africa is allegedly a democratic, equal and free society where as far as I am aware there is no war. Apartheid is history. There is widespread poverty - but if that's a reason to be granted asylum then the entire EU/US/Canada/Aus/NZ would be flooded.

Is he white?

seasidedub

seasidedub wrote: »

So what is his reason for seeking asylum? South Africa is allegedly a democratic, equal and free society where as far as I am aware there is no war. Apartheid is history. There is widespread poverty - but if that's a reason to be granted asylum then the entire EU/US/Canada/Aus/NZ would be flooded.

Answering my own question - he's gay. He states the law in South Africa is "perfect" but not the "lived experience " - I imagine it's similar for some GLBT people here too, especially in more rural places, the laws were changed but no doubt many still experience discrimination on varying levels. I don't see how Ireland needs to take people in on grounds of sexual/gender discrimination if the laws in their own country prohibit such discrimination. We cannot be responsible for the "lived experience " - countries need to enforce anti-discrimination laws.

Can citizens of certain Islamic counties which do actually prohibit and criminalize homosexuality apply? Saudis, Iranians etc?

DelaneyIn

bubblypop wrote: »

Direct provision is inhumane & should be changed.
But the whole system needs to be speeded up. No reason to have people here for years before a decision is made.
Do it quickly.

Bit much to be complaining that they’re years in the system, when they appeal each and every refusal of their asylum claims so that it takes years to get to the end of the tunnel.

One appeal and then deport. Problem solved.

Mongfinder General

How can we look this man in the eye and feel content as Irish men and women about his plight.

We are a country with zero homeless people. Everybody has a roof over their head, three meals a day, light, heat and clothing as well as guided access to education.

Oh hang on, maybe I have that the wrong way round.

Danzy

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/direct-provision-if-that-is-the-kindness-of-the-irish-state-i-would-hate-to-experience-its-cruelty-996264.html

"If that is the kindness and compassion of the Irish State, I would hate to experience its cruelty."

A quote from a refugee in direct provision here in Ireland, my initial reaction is like WTF you're alive to complain about it at least!

Should we be more welcoming, less or just as it is now?

His lordship needs to be told fuc7 off.

Jurgen Klopp

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Is he white?

No no we know any white African could never experience racism, it's just fair payback, sins of the father and all that don't you know

Dr Turk Turkelton

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I don't know, but my first reaction when i clicked the link was "That's Michael from 'Lost'. what's Harold Perrineau doing in direct provision, in Ireland??"

Its obvious- he bought a pps number off a golden labrador.

Pherekydes

Fann Linn wrote: »

Close the door behind you. Bye bye.

So don't fann linn?

Geuze

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh yeah? Who exactly would you deport?
Everyone seeking asylum? What about refugees?

Bogus AS should be deported.

Genuine refugees should be welcomed, which they are.

DelaneyIn

MASI also tweeted that the Department of Justice were actively trying to kill them so, I guess there’s that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/masi_asylum/status/1247620957629538304

Yeah, they look like people we should take serious. If they genuinely think that the DoJ are trying to kill them, why are they seeking asylum here? Doesn’t make any sense.

hatrickpatrick

The system is too slow, it's that simple. Direct Provision was supposed to be a temporary measure and it was supposed to be something you lived in for a short time, not feckin' years. But that's the Irish state for ya.

CalamariFritti

There is nothing wrong with direct provision - for a while. If you spend a year or longer in it I'm pretty sure it becomes some form of torture in its own right.

Outkast_IRE

Direct Provision - Grand System when used as intended.

Length of Time to process applications should be sped up with removal of appeals system. People are moaning how long they are in the system the problem in part is some of these people get a decision they dont like, then appeal it, then try and bring it to supreme court. If all that fails they go all out on social media to try and get the justice ministers head turned.

Cut out all that crap. Quick Decision based on facts , not claims.

At the same time, change the social welfare system for all people . Life long benefits for the lazy - gone.

DelaneyIn

Time to do away with the whole asylum shambles. Most are not genuine and it’s caused a “gold rush“ to get to Ireland and other prosperous western nations. The framework of asylum was written up post WW2 with that fresh in the mind.

Anyone who disagrees that the system is being abused on a massive scale is either deluded, a liar or making honey from the chaos.

It is not fit for purpose in the present with the technological advances of the modern day. Unless you’re an NGO, migrant masquerading as a refugee, solicitor or landowner who is profiting or benefiting from the mess.

end of the road

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

If I was fleeing a warzone where me and my families lives were threatened a safe nation with a roof over our heads and food in our bellies would be heaven, especially if it was was the rural centres

However if say I was a piss taker economic migrant who was abusing the system or one who thought I would be given the keys to a council house and full dole on arrival I might be surprised and start moaning

that's just you. others may do things differently, it doesn't mean you are correct and they aren't, or that you aren't correct and they are.

Fatima Purring Sty wrote: »

Deport them all

can't be done unless it is decided they don't have a case to remain.
thankfully not liking migrants is quite rightly not grounds for deportation.

Fatima Purring Sty wrote: »

Yep, all them. And you too.

yeah, sure lad, you haven't thought your nonsense through which is no surprise.
where do you expect an irish citizen to be deported to exactly?

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Bit much to be complaining that they’re years in the system, when they appeal each and every refusal of their asylum claims so that it takes years to get to the end of the tunnel.

One appeal and then deport. Problem solved.

problem not solved as things can get missed, that is why there are a couple of appeals.

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Direct Provision - Grand System when used as intended.

Length of Time to process applications should be sped up with removal of appeals system. People are moaning how long they are in the system the problem in part is some of these people get a decision they dont like, then appeal it, then try and bring it to supreme court. If all that fails they go all out on social media to try and get the justice ministers head turned.

Cut out all that crap. Quick Decision based on facts , not claims.

At the same time, change the social welfare system for all people . Life long benefits for the lazy - gone.

life long benefits for the tiny few lazy gone will make no difference to anything in reality, i would expect.
it certainly won't make the individuals less lazy anyway.

end of the road

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Direct Provision - Grand System when used as intended.

Length of Time to process applications should be sped up with removal of appeals system. People are moaning how long they are in the system the problem in part is some of these people get a decision they dont like, then appeal it, then try and bring it to supreme court. If all that fails they go all out on social media to try and get the justice ministers head turned.

Cut out all that crap. Quick Decision based on facts , not claims.

At the same time, change the social welfare system for all people . Life long benefits for the lazy - gone.

life long benefits for the tiny few lazy gone will make no difference to anything in reality, i would expect.
it certainly won't make the individuals less lazy anyway.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Time to do away with the whole asylum shambles. Most are not genuine and it’s caused a “gold rush“ to get to Ireland and other prosperous western nations. The framework of asylum was written up post WW2 with that fresh in the mind.

the asylum shambles in itself is fine.
the laws and rules are correct, the issue is the speed of operation which is a staffing issue. the bogus ones are eventually found out and i would expect are dealt with, and i think we can all agree that is quite right.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Anyone who disagrees that the system is being abused on a massive scale is either deluded, a liar or making honey from the chaos.

incorrect that they are either of those.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It is not fit for purpose in the present with the technological advances of the modern day. Unless you’re an NGO, migrant masquerading as a refugee, solicitor or landowner who is profiting or benefiting from the mess.

technology can only do so much in terms of this issue i would imagine.
certainly i would expect certain aspects of it are not fit for purpose, but as a whole on a basic level it does seem to work, all be it slowly.

DelaneyIn

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Time to do away with the whole asylum shambles. Most are not genuine and it’s caused a “gold rush“ to get to Ireland and other prosperous western nations. The framework of asylum was written up post WW2 with that fresh in the mind.

True enough... Although it's unlikely to be changed any time soon, and any such changes won't benefit existing Irish citizens.

With covid, we're probably going to see a rise in migration as people flee 3rd world nations seeking to live in countries with better healthcare, and their own economic systems fail. I have zero confidence that any political party has the backbone to stand up to the EU or put the interests of the country ahead of the need to virtue signal.

It is not fit for purpose in the present with the technological advances of the modern day. Unless you’re an NGO, migrant masquerading as a refugee, solicitor or landowner who is profiting or benefiting from the mess.

You forgot those people on a crusade. The people with a cause to "fight". It's all the rage these days, apparently. They get to feel all warm inside as migrants gain entry, but can ignore all the negatives because they're fighting the 'good' fight.

F34

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The system is too slow, it's that simple. Direct Provision was supposed to be a temporary measure and it was supposed to be something you lived in for a short time, not feckin' years. But that's the Irish state for ya.

No it’s not. It’s the constant appeals after being refused asylum that take years. It should be one appeal within six months of the initial decision and then deport/leave to stay after that.

Badly Drunk Boy

Tork wrote: »

What country does this dude come from? It isn't mentioned in the article. Would it be a country from which there are no direct flights to Ireland?

Going by his name, I'd say he's South African.

Kivaro

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Direct Provision is nothing more than a money making racket set up to cater for failed hoteliers and other friends of the Government. That being both FF and FG.

To the tune of a minimum of €1.3 billion to date, with several DP center owners racking up more than €100 million each in payments.
And that does not included the ludicrous money paid to legal firms who fight asylum rejections with numerous appeals ...... all paid for by the Irish worker.

There are about 18,000 - 20,000 Nigerians living in Ireland (possibly more) and many told the same tale when they got here; yet they still received asylum. The dogs on the streets of Lagos knew how easy it was to get asylum in Ireland and the subsequent social welfare benefits for life. That is why there are so many here. How is that right?

With RTE and the Irish Times driving the asylum cause, Irish politicians are too weak and afraid to ask questions. The asylum system in Ireland is not fit for purpose and should be rebuilt from scratch. We just cannot afford this farce any more. It is not fair to the workers of the country who has to pay for it and it is not fair to the genuine asylum seekers who languish in the system.

DelaneyIn

Deleted User wrote: »

You forgot those people on a crusade. The people with a cause to "fight". It's all the rage these days, apparently. They get to feel all warm inside as migrants gain entry, but can ignore all the negatives because they're fighting the 'good' fight.

These people aren’t worth considering. They have no true beliefs or principals of their own, so they feign interest in a cause to feel morally superior to the average pleb. The rest of us might be racist knuckledraggers arseboxing through life, but not them. They’re “better.” One of the good ones.

I pity them more so than anything and don’t view them as serious people. Someone must have a truly boring and vacuous life to cause them the need to adopt causes and principals in the hope of being viewed as “righteous” and right on by their equally as vacuous peers.

At least a simpleton has an excuse for their opinions and views and is a lot less dangerous.

Bobblehats

Spook_ie wrote: »

"If that is the kindness and compassion of the Irish State, I would hate to experience its cruelty."

Go back to africay.

Kivaro

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/direct-provision-if-that-is-the-kindness-of-the-irish-state-i-would-hate-to-experience-its-cruelty-996264.html

"If that is the kindness and compassion of the Irish State, I would hate to experience its cruelty."

A quote from a refugee in direct provision here in Ireland, my initial reaction is like WTF you're alive to complain about it at least!

I think this man would be a perfect match for the Ribena lady, who cries racism in Ireland at every opportunity.

Reminds me of the well-heeled Syrian girl who described Irish direct provisions centres as the worst experience of her life. Don't forget that this young woman was fleeing from war-torn Syria, so our leisure-come-DP-centres must be horrible concentration camps. But then again, the same young lady was living in luxurious accommodation for a number of years in the UAE (or similar extremely expensive country) before getting asylum in Ireland.

Genuine asylum seekers would greatly appreciate the safety, housing, nourishment, and all the health benefits and other aid that is offered to asylum seekers in Ireland.
Ever think we are being taken for fools?

overkill602

anybody in DP can have a free flight home in the morning they just have to drop there appeal they are all failed asylum seekers who are advised by NGOs and other self interest groups that are on a tax payers gravy train to stick it out.
Stop de madness 1 appeal or out