Relaxation of restrictions Part II

fatalll

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

In theory a valid point. A valiant good point.

But some parents, some fathers say, they would have a big issue with their children growing up in a world with people who wear masks to protect themselves. Children may get the wrong idea, and fathers who do quick numbers and calculations and see the 0.2% 0.3% 0.5% percentages, be like what no dont look at those mask people they are a bit cray

"Those mask people" really.....


Look I dont wear a mask, they are not very nice to wear to be honest.
But once people keep the 2 metres I have no problem if you wear a mask or not unless they have covid obviously in which case they should be isolating.


I would wear a mask on public transport though for the next couple of weeks anyway if I have to use at any stage that is.

boring accountant

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I'm not. I'm calling you out on your behaviour.

Was a low point for the thread but expected given the posts you have been making.

I think you’re really scraping the barrel here. It’s perfectly legitimate to bring up the suffering of sick people in this discussion considering the subject matter. You’re just engaging in moralising because the tide is finally turning against you.

Kermit.de.frog

boring accountant wrote: »

You’re just engaging in moralising because the tide is finally turning against you.

I'm trying to get my head around this twisted psychology..

What is the tide that is being turned?

Is it the successful avoidance of a massive death toll?

Is that the tide you want turned?

Are you a Gemma fan or...?

What's the issue that you have?

Ginger n Lemon

fatalll wrote: »

"Those mask people" really.....


Look I dont wear a mask, they are not very nice to wear to be honest.
But once people keep the 2 metres I have no problem if you wear a mask or not unless they have covid obviously in which case they should be isolating.


I would wear a mask on public transport though for the next couple of weeks anyway if I have to use at any stage that is.

Oh dont worry, I dont have an agenda against people wearing masks. I want to help them. I may be the nicest guy ever.

Look. Think twice before promoting masks my friend. Also, faulty masks is a thing as well and people dont usually spend heavily on their health. Not until they are on the treatment table.

"But in filtering those particles, the mask also makes it harder to breathe. N95 masks are estimated to reduce oxygen intake by anywhere from 5 to 20 percent. That's significant, even for a healthy person." ... For patients who already have respiratory complications, wearing a mask could be life-threatening.

Ginger n Lemon

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm trying to get my head around this twisted psychology..

What is the tide that is being turned?

Is it the successful avoidance of a massive death toll?

Is that the tide you want turned?

Are you a Gemma fan or...?

What's the issue that you have?

Quantify massive death toll please. Then this thread might come to it's conclusion

Stark

Ginger n Lemon wrote:

Oh dont worry, I dont have an agenda against people wearing masks. I want to help them. I may be the nicest guy ever.

Look. Think twice before promoting masks my friend. Also, faulty masks is a thing as well and people dont usually spend heavily on their health. Not until they are on the treatment table.

"But in filtering those particles, the mask also makes it harder to breathe. N95 masks are estimated to reduce oxygen intake by anywhere from 5 to 20 percent. That's significant, even for a healthy person." ... For patients who already have respiratory complications, wearing a mask could be life-threatening.
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No-one is going to be mandating respirator masks.

Some kind of face covering will probably be mandated in close contact situations to stop people coughing, wheezing and sneezing and spray going everywhere.

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boring accountant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm trying to get my head around this twisted psychology..

What is the tide that is being turned?

Is it the successful avoidance of a massive death toll?

Is that the tide you want turned?

Are you a Gemma fan or...?

What's the issue that you have?

This is absolutely desperate

28% unemployed today and you can’t see past Gemma

Irish Aris

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Good point. If 20 individuals in 20 different countries get covid, covid becomes a pandemic?

Pandemic sounds so terrifying doesnt it? 0.05% of the planet infected with Covid and we are shutting down shop. Talk about eye brow raising. (thats 0.05% have been infected, active cases is more like 0.02%)

yes, and makes me think that the words aren't used in the same way in the English language.
I seem to recall some debate back in January/February on the fact that WHO took their time to declare COVID a pandemic, although it already was in numerous countries.

Is it because the word in English has a different meaning/the one brought up earlier?
Or maybe because everyone confuses pandemic and epidemic?

I guess all theoretical at this point and doesn't really matter.

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

You keep bringing it up again and again.And my point still stands.There are people on this thread getting off on the claim that all we have is "fairly light restrictions" while in the real world there are people terminally ill suffering hugely because of our lockdown.The only ones trying to score a cheap point are the people claiming we only have "fairly light restrictions"

Lol even more of the same bull**** you've been repeating ad nauseam ?

"Getting off"? Do you read the absolute tripe you write? It has been pointed out many times that the previous reference to Ireland having relatively light restrictions was in comparison to New Zealand . But you ignore that to post such crap again and again?

Well that's the model New Zealand used and it seemed to have worked. Obviously that cant be done here now - but we can use the fairly light restrictions we do have in comparison to that to continue to keep the infection rate down and hopefully the total number of new cases and deaths. ..

It is evidently you dont give a monkies for anyone who is terminally ill or even those who contract Covid-19. Point scoring is about right.

It seems this is all just a big joke to you. Plenty of posters have called you out on it. Go hang your head in shame bullying those who may need to wear a mask. Truely pathetic behaviour but not particularly surprising tbh.

easypazz

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm trying to get my head around this twisted psychology..

What is the tide that is being turned?

Is it the successful avoidance of a massive death toll?

Is that the tide you want turned?

Are you a Gemma fan or...?

What's the issue that you have?

Just a straw poll for you, a few weeks ago I would say 10% in the shops had masks, its now down to about 1%.

A lot of this event has been mass hysteria, it started with all the panic buying etc. The tide is turning back towards normality.

Businesses are reopening, guards backing off, people more relaxed in shops etc.

Then you have cervicalcheck on the radio today saying he doesn't want to allow pubs open June 29th.

Well done to him, drive the whole drinking scene underground with back door pubs, house parties etc.

What difference will opening the pubs or not make then?

Ginger n Lemon

Stark wrote: »

No-one is going to be mandating respirator masks.

Some kind of face covering will probably be mandated in close contact situations to stop people coughing, wheezing and sneezing and spray going everywhere.

Would scarf work? Thinking of colder months.

The risk of mandating people to wear a mask on public transport - inevitable good 10 -30% of those people will believe that the better the mask the better they are protected. Which could be true in terms of avoiding catching a disease etc, but damage longterm lung health.

I hope it will be "recommended". People love to break rules if they are imposed, as evident with house parties.

ixoy

There's little harm in having people wear masks in cramped places, like public transport and quite potentially a lot of good. Seems like a decent compromise.

easypazz

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Anyway i'll leave you to it and put you on ignore

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ugh you're one of those guys.

I'm out.

Two more gloomers bite the dust. Dropping like flies today.

fatalll

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Oh dont worry, I dont have an agenda against people wearing masks. I want to help them. I may be the nicest guy ever.

Look. Think twice before promoting masks my friend. Also, faulty masks is a thing as well and people dont usually spend heavily on their health. Not until they are on the treatment table.

"But in filtering those particles, the mask also makes it harder to breathe. N95 masks are estimated to reduce oxygen intake by anywhere from 5 to 20 percent. That's significant, even for a healthy person." ... For patients who already have respiratory complications, wearing a mask could be life-threatening.

I did not promote mask wearing did I? I said I would wear one on public transport if I had to.


I think if anyone does not have a problem with oxygen on an airplane they will be just fine with an N95 mask btw.
Anyone with an SPO2 over 95% would be 100% fine with any mask, most healthy people btw have a SPO2 of 98%+

Kermit.de.frog

easypazz wrote: »

Just a straw poll for you, a few weeks ago I would say 10% in the shops had masks, its now down to about 1%.

That's not my experience.

More than ever wearing masks the last few days.

I'm surprised there is so many.

They will be made mandatory soon as well to shop and use public transport (same as in Austria and France).

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

Lol even more of the same bull**** you've been repeating ad nauseam ?

"Getting off"? Do you read the absolute tripe you write? It has been pointed out many times that the reference to Ireland having relatively light restrictions was in comparison to New Zealand. But you ignore that to post such crap again and again?

It is evidently you dont give a monkies for anyone who is terminally ill or even those who contract Covid-19. Point scoring is about right.

It seems this is all just a big joke go you. Plenty of posters have called you out on it. Go hang your head in shame bullying those who may need to wear a mask. Truely pathetic behaviour but not particularly surprising tbh.

What are you on about now?

Any comparisons I have seen regarding lockdowns people make were against Spain, France and Italy, Wuhan.

Only allowed out 200 metres, letter saying where you are coming and going from, doors welded closed etc.

Didn't realise New Zealand is the benchmark for worlds strictest COVID lockdown.

Multipass

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They will be made mandatory soon as well to shop and use public transport (same as in Austria and France).

No they won’t - old person arrives to buy food, has no mask nor any clue where to buy one. Do you really think they’ll be barred from entering? You can wish all you like, not going to happen.

boring accountant

It’s ironic that those of us who are not in the grip of a mass hysteria are being thrown in with the conspiracy nuts and those who are taking what has turned out to be a fairly mild infection and treating it like it’s the worst pandemic since 1918 consider themselves to be the same rational ones.

normanoffside

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's not my experience.

More than ever wearing masks the last few days.

I'm surprised there is so many.

They will be made mandatory soon as well to shop and use public transport (same as in Austria and France).

For the record, I am all for wearing masks in enclosed spaces if it means lifting restrictions.

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

Italy is valid example of a country with a lockdown to be fair.

Germany closed its borders with a number of other countries and instigated some fairly ott stuff that was not done here. It also has massive medical resources to cope with the outbreak. That's evidently had a positive outcome at helping reducing their death rate.

Stockholm is not a county - it's a city. Not much point to compare a city with an entire country ie Ireland

Sweden hasn't been doing much proactive testing as far as I can see - so god knows what the real state of infection is there.

Again NewYork is a major world city. Again not possible to compare a city with an entire country ie Ireland. Perhaps compare it to another city eg. Dublin

I dont think anyone is looking for a stricter 'lockdown' here. Another poster was claiming that we had an actual 'lockdown' here. Taking a look at restrictions elsewhere eg Spain and Italy - would suggest that we've had relatively light restrictions here imo.

As for Ireland. Imo the only reason we are not looking at immediate easement of restrictions atm - is that the spread of Covid-19 here was later arriving than most other EU countries. We are getting there. People in this country need to unbunch their panties tbh.

No mention of New Zealand. AT ALL.

Kermit.de.frog

Multipass wrote: »

No they won’t - old person arrives to buy food, has no mask nor any clue where to buy one. Do you really think they’ll be barred from entering? You can wish all you like, not going to happen.

In Austria it's mandatory.

Now they may be easier on older people but if you're not old then you can't shop or use public transport without a mask.

It's not a debate - they are the rules there.

Jackman25

boring accountant wrote: »

This is absolutely desperate

28% unemployed today and you can’t see past Gemma

What are you on about? Is there not good news on unemployment today?
That doesn't sound like good news.

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

These are the exact people I refer to as mask shamers, they want everybody to wear one just because they like wearing them.There is no requirement to wear a mask and yet people on here consider it selfish not to wear one.

So you're looking down your nose at a person who choose to wear a mask because you bizarrely believe they want everyone to wear one?

And you know this from just looking at one person today wearing a mask?

And you then start calling this unknown individual names because of that?

Your having a laugh but thats so pathetic Im afraid no one is laughing with you.

Kermit.de.frog

normanoffside wrote: »

For the record, I am all for wearing masks in enclosed spaces if it means lifting restrictions.

It's part of the trade off as in France and Austria.

boring accountant

ixoy wrote: »

There's little harm in having people wear masks in cramped places, like public transport and quite potentially a lot of good. Seems like a decent compromise.

I think there very much is harm in compelling people in that way.

The lockdowners have no sense of proportion, but anyone who is even the least bit concerned about the future of civil liberties in this country will take serious issue with compelling people to wear something. Especially when only a few weeks ago the government was strongly advising against it.

It’s a sad day when those of us with legitimate concerns about the limits of state power are thrown together with Gemma O’Doherty.

Ginger n Lemon

boring accountant wrote: »

It’s ironic that those of us who are not in the grip of a mass hysteria are being thrown in with the conspiracy nuts and those who are taking what has turned out to be a fairly mild infection and treating it like it’s the worst pandemic since 1918 consider themselves to be the same rational ones.

Thats the thing. I think someone (probably WHO) started banging Spanish flu comparison drum, instead if they were banging Swine flu drum people would be much more chill.

Now we have doomsayers predicting 2nd waves and death and destruction from covid if you open pubs. There is a lot of paradox in this prediction ofcourse, as

"Alcohol is responsible for 88 deaths every month in Ireland. That's over 1,000 deaths per year. One in four deaths of young men aged 15-39 in Ireland is due to alcohol"

normanoffside

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's part of the trade off as in France and Austria.

I have no issue with it but i wish I could get my glasses to stop steaming up.

boring accountant

Jackman25 wrote: »

What are you on about? Is there not good news on unemployment today?
That doesn't sound like good news.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0508/1137254-cso-unemployment-rate/

Ginger n Lemon

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In Austria it's mandatory.

Now they may be easier on older people but if you're not old then you can't shop or use public transport without a mask.

It's not a debate - they are the rules there.

Are you saying that in absence of law enforcement, you would prevent an old person without a mask from accessing the public transport?

If that is not what you are saying, can you recommend how people might deal with such individual, bearing in mind its difficult to have law enforcement on every public transport carriage/bus. :pac: