Human remains in Rathmines

Suckit

sugarman wrote: »

That's what they're to establish. The remains are described as partial skeletal remains found on the surface. The trees were pruned back on recent months.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/human-remains-found-in-rathmines-39118589.html

Is this the same area?
https://goo.gl/maps/ntEYwaMoZAzaNLEN8

Losty Dublin

Suckit wrote: »

Is this the same area?
https://goo.gl/maps/ntEYwaMoZAzaNLEN8

That's it, yes.

Mehaffey1

Suckit wrote: »

Is this the same area?
https://goo.gl/maps/ntEYwaMoZAzaNLEN8

Good link, couldn't have pictured the trees being so dense from pictures of the site as it looks now.

Have a feeling something very odd indeed has went on here. If the body was there for this long period of time 5-20 years then I have two questions.

1). How come no dogs or other animals disturbed the body? Maybe the density of the trees kept them out?

2). There was bound to be a smell for a while right? The boots of the cars aren't far away at all you'd think it would be noticeable, maybe in winter wouldn't be as bad as a warm summer. There was no reports of a bag being found?

Would lead you to believe this wasn't the place where this poor person died.

Dr Strange

Leg End Reject wrote: »

RTE are reporting that a forensic anthropologist is at the scene. Would it not be the state pathologist if the remains were recent enough?

There seems to be a common misconception regarding the cases a forensic anthropologist works with due to popular fiction etc. A forensic anthropologist may also be an archaeologist BUT that’s not necessarily so. Depending on where they studied they may have a different background, some from medicine, biology or anatomy.

Similarly, they may also get involved in ancient cases BUT if they work in a forensic capacity the remains are generally recent but in some ways compromised, i.e. skeletonised, mummified, dismembered or burnt.
They usually work in conjunction with the forensic pathologist.
The main goal of the forensic anthropologist is identification of the dead while for the forensic pathologist it’s the cause of death.

Look at something massive on a death scale like Grenfell and the use of a relatively large number of forensic anthropologists who worked there to reconstruct and identify the majority of the victims together with the odontologists.

branie2

Hopefully there will be closure for the family

listermint

Lot of speculation here.


Homeless people die every month in this country and any bushed covered area in the city is ripe for sleeping spot.

Hangdogroad

listermint wrote: »

Lot of speculation here.


Homeless people die every month in this country and any bushed covered area in the city is ripe for sleeping spot.

The absence of clothes is odd though. If it was a rough sleeper you'd think they'd have found a sleeping bag or blankets at least.

wakka12

listermint wrote: »

Lot of speculation here.


Homeless people die every month in this country and any bushed covered area in the city is ripe for sleeping spot.

I agree its pretty crazy immediately trying to link this random body to some of the most high profile missing person cases in the history of the country such as <snip> but a homeless person's body wouldnt be so concealed I wouldnt have thought, surely theyd be sleeping in a tent or a sleeping bag

sugarman

sugarman wrote: »

It is, especially when there are currently 244 open adult missing persons cases in Ireland.

How many were last seen within 5 miles of this scene?

The missing Icelandic chap comes to mind too, but don’t know what condition his remains would be in if he were deceased.

Noseygit

Deleted User wrote: »

The missing Icelandic chap comes to mind too, but don’t know what condition his remains would be in if he were deceased.

He scarpered.

Danye

Noseygit wrote: »

He scarpered.

Is that official or just your own theory?

Boards.ie: Niamh

Guys, these posts have been separated out from a thread in After Hours where there was some unfair speculation as to the identity of the person found. I'm happy for the conversation to continue here about this current case but please leave out any unfounded speculation about who it might be until there is an official announcement. You can see my closing post in the other thread here. Thanks all.

ijohhj

Hangdogroad wrote: »

It's most likely someone who went missing in the last year or so.

Wonder if it could be that Icelandic guy. His family are long overdue for some closure...

Oh, seeing the note above now, my bad.

branie2

There was an american man that went missing as well.

Noseygit

Danye wrote: »

Is that official or just your own theory?

Not official and not my theory

Be right back

branie2 wrote: »

There was an american man that went missing as well.

Who's that person?

ijohhj

Noseygit wrote: »

Not official and not my theory

Whoever's theory it was can't be too smart, do they know how passports work?

Marcusm

ijohhj wrote: »

Whoever's theory it was can't be too smart, do they know how passports work?

No idea what the previous poster meant by scarpered but there are no outbound passport checks in Ireland so your suggestion re passports is unlikely to be a practical test for whether some has or has not left the countryz

1968

"Skeletal remains found in Rathmines last week will not be the subject of a postmortem until next Tuesday, gardaí have said.

The partial human remains were found on a common area on a site off the Lower Rathmines Road in Dublin on Thursday, April 9th as work was being carried out on the site.

No clothing remained on the skeletal remains and there had been no apparent effort to bury them.

A forensic anthropologist visited the site late last week to carry out inquiries, as did members of the Garda Technical Bureau. The remains were brought to Dublin City mortuary where they remain.

Efforts have been ongoing to identify the person through DNA testing. This is lengthy process as any DNA extracted needs to be cross-referenced with a long list of missing persons’ DNA. A Garda source said there is no guarantee the remains will ever be identified.

The bones are believed to be those of someone aged between five and 20 years old. Gardaí say the direction of the investigation will be dictated by the results of the postmortem. However, there is no guarantee the examination will reveal the cause of death, the same source said.

Gardaí are not clear if the person died and their body lay undiscovered at the location for a period or if the person died elsewhere and the bones were placed there.

The remains will be examined by the State Pathologist’s Office on Tuesday, April 21st. A Garda spokesman said an update on the investigation will likely follow.

A Department of Justice spokesman said when asked that the Covid-19 crisis is not causing a backlog in postmortem examinations.

According to the Coroners Society of Ireland most Covid-19 deaths do not require a postmortem“unless other circumstances are present and the law mandates an autopsy to be directed by the coroner”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/post-mortem-on-skeleton-remains-found-in-rathmines-due-to-take-place-next-week-1.4230634

1968

1968 wrote: »

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The bones are believed to be those of someone aged between five and 20 years old. .............

I thought the remains were thought to have been there for between five and 20 years?

Noseygit

ijohhj wrote: »

Whoever's theory it was can't be too smart, do they know how passports work?

Everyone knows how they work. Everyone knows how owing thousands out that you've gambled works.

Noseygit

Noseygit wrote: »

Everyone knows how they work. Everyone knows how owing thousands out that you've gambled works.

What's this now?
The Fitz had an ATM, they didn't give credit.

Dr Strange

Augeo wrote: »

I thought the remains were thought to have been there for between five and 20 years?

Yeah, IT worded it wrong or got it wrong. Other outlets reported it as having been there between five and twenty years which would make more sense.

Steviesol

I wonder who it is

Dravokivich

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

DNA testing and carbon dating testing should reveal more.

I didn't think carbon testing would be accurate for something relatively recent?

wakka12

1968 wrote: »

"Skeletal remains found in Rathmines last week will not be the subject of a postmortem until next Tuesday, gardaí have said.

The partial human remains were found on a common area on a site off the Lower Rathmines Road in Dublin on Thursday, April 9th as work was being carried out on the site.

No clothing remained on the skeletal remains and there had been no apparent effort to bury them.

A forensic anthropologist visited the site late last week to carry out inquiries, as did members of the Garda Technical Bureau. The remains were brought to Dublin City mortuary where they remain.

Efforts have been ongoing to identify the person through DNA testing. This is lengthy process as any DNA extracted needs to be cross-referenced with a long list of missing persons’ DNA. A Garda source said there is no guarantee the remains will ever be identified.

The bones are believed to be those of someone aged between five and 20 years old. Gardaí say the direction of the investigation will be dictated by the results of the postmortem. However, there is no guarantee the examination will reveal the cause of death, the same source said.

Gardaí are not clear if the person died and their body lay undiscovered at the location for a period or if the person died elsewhere and the bones were placed there.

The remains will be examined by the State Pathologist’s Office on Tuesday, April 21st. A Garda spokesman said an update on the investigation will likely follow.

A Department of Justice spokesman said when asked that the Covid-19 crisis is not causing a backlog in postmortem examinations.

According to the Coroners Society of Ireland most Covid-19 deaths do not require a postmortem“unless other circumstances are present and the law mandates an autopsy to be directed by the coroner”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/post-mortem-on-skeleton-remains-found-in-rathmines-due-to-take-place-next-week-1.4230634

The bones of a 20 year old would be very easily identifiable as different from a 5 year old, one will have body parts the size of somebody about 3 ft tall, the other will have body parts the size of somebody about twice that size

Yellow_Fern

wakka12 wrote: »

The bones of a 20 year old would be very easily identifiable as different from a 5 year old, one will have body parts the size of somebody about 3 ft tall, the other will have body parts the size of somebody about twice that size

Yes but in many be a stock response and maybe the bones are highly fragmented as is often the case.

Noseygit

Augeo wrote: »

What's this now?
The Fitz had an ATM, they didn't give credit.

He borrowed plenty of money and lost. No way of paying it back

Salthillprom

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Yes but in many be a stock response and maybe the bones are highly fragmented as is often the case.

Clearly, they are saying that the bones have been there for between 5 and 20 years. Not that they belong to either a 5 year old or 20 year old!