Human remains in Rathmines

GolfNut33

Human remains found in Rathmines. <snip>

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GolfNut33 wrote:

Human remains found in Rathmines. <snip>.

Have you a link to the story

GolfNut33

Amstel wrote: »

Have you a link to the story

Padraig O'Reilly reporting it on Twitter. Reported it as human remains which would indicate it's been there for some time because otherwise they report it as a body found.

shocksy

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1248383329797201922?s=19

where on lr rathmines road could a body have been for years and years?

more likely some poor soul passed away alone in their place unnoticed some while back id say.

yourdeadwright

sugarman wrote: »

<snip>
The area currently sealed off is in the middle of Lissenfield housing estate in full view of 20-30 town houses. Theres a row of trees in front of a few parking spaces opposite them in plain sight. They were built in the 90s prior to TD going missing.

Much more likely to have been either a rough sleeper or remains recently dumped in the over growth. They don't appear to have been buried. If they are, could be historical as were the remains found in Swords last week.

To use the word remains would suggest its something there for a while ,Wonder how they just became apparent now ,

Hangdogroad

It's most likely someone who went missing in the last year or so.

Hangdogroad

Hangdogroad wrote: »

It's most likely someone who went missing in the last year or so.

If it’s only bones with no evidence of clothes, it’s most likely longer than that. Some poor family will at least have closure. R.I.P

yourdeadwright

Crazy to think someone could be there that long and not found from the pictures it looks like the patch was about 3 foot wide but 100 ft long,
If it was foul play and not a homeless person I'm sure who ever out the body there can't believe it remained hidden for so long ,

BoroMan32

Yeah, given how narrow the strip is it's hard to understand how those who pruned back the trees in recent months wouldn't have noticed, especially if it was on the surface as stated in the articles.

Yellow_Fern

It wouldnt be common knowledge but the city centres of old cities especially in Europe tend to be crawling with humans remains. There is an extraordinary amount of forgotten cemeteries in cities.

MadYaker

If the bones were covered in undergrowth they could be easy enough to miss if you weren't looking for them.

Guy:Incognito

MadYaker wrote: »

If the bones were covered in undergrowth they could be easy enough to miss if you weren't looking for them.

Have a look at the picture in the indo link above, the tree were completely cut back and the ground is fairly smooth, so any crap was removed, hard to see how they would have been missed by the people doing the clearing.

You can see the trees on streetview from before the clearing.

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Have a look at the picture in the indo link above, the tree were completely cut back and the ground is fairly smooth, so any crap was removed, hard to see how they would have been missed by the people doing the clearing.

You can see the trees on streetview from before the clearing.

I understood that it was the people doing the clearing that found it.

Guy:Incognito

Deleted User wrote: »

I understood that it was the people doing the clearing that found it.

Ah right.Did someone on here not say the land was cleared months ago? Thats why I assume they were unconnected.

sugarman

sugarman wrote: »

That's what they're to establish. The remains are described as partial skeletal remains found on the surface. The trees were pruned back on recent months.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/human-remains-found-in-rathmines-39118589.html

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Ah right.Did someone on here not say the land was cleared months ago? Thats why I assume they were unconnected.

........ "The evergreen trees along the strip of land had been pruned back in recent months, exposing the ground below, but the discovery of the bones was only made yesterday evening, according to locals."

Jimbob1977

There is the possibility that the remains are hundreds of years old.

Like a famine grave or a TB grave.

yourdeadwright

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

There is the possibility that the remains are hundreds of years old.

Like a famine grave or a TB grave.

By reports the remains where not buried just left in the bushes

Leg End Reject

RTE are reporting that a forensic anthropologist is at the scene. Would it not be the state pathologist if the remains were recent enough?

Jimbob1977

DNA testing and carbon dating testing should reveal more.

Leg End Reject

Leg End Reject wrote: »

RTE are reporting that a forensic anthropologist is at the scene. Would it not be the state pathologist if the remains were recent enough?

If there's no soft tissue etc it's not really pathology, I think.

GolfNut33

GolfNut33 wrote: »

No sh1t Sherlock

Well to be fair, you are the one adding 2 and 2 here and restarting this topic so I think the Sherlock credentials are all yours.

CollyFlower

Could be Philip Kearns, he was from the Rathfarm area, that's not too far from Rathmines.

EmmetSpiceland

CollyFlower wrote: »

Could be Philip Kearns, he was from the Rathfarm area, that's not too far from Rathmines.

It’s Cairns. Where he was from in Rathfarnham is miles from that part of Rathmines.

The last person to come forward regarding his disappearance said he was taken to South Circular Road by that pedo DJ. That is a lot nearer than Rathfarnham.

Would be very surprising, given the time frames, if those remains had been there since 1986. For one thing, those trees would have been a lot smaller and that area wouldn’t have been so “overgrown”.

The late heart doctor Risteard Mulcahy lived there, as did his father Richard Mulcahy:

https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/the-mulcahy-tapes-papers/

Hangdogroad

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It’s Cairns. Where he was from in Rathfarnham is miles from that part of Rathmines.

The last person to come forward regarding his disappearance said he was taken to South Circular Road by that pedo DJ. That is a lot nearer than Rathfarnham.

Would be very surprising, given the time frames, if those remains had been there since 1986. For one thing, those trees would have been a lot smaller and that area wouldn’t have been so “overgrown”.

Re Philip Cairns and the DJ that was a complete wild goose chase. There was no proven link between them, tbh-there was something fishy about that persons story from the start. Very little about it added up.

wyndham

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0411/1129934-human-remains-rathmines/

The remains are 5-20 years old and male...

Dwarf.Shortage

wyndham wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0411/1129934-human-remains-rathmines/

The remains are 5-20 years old and male...

That seems a huge range of sizes but I wtf do I know about anthropology, I'm guessing they only have a few bones which makes estimating the size harder. Very macabre but interesting too.

Salthillprom

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

That seems a huge range of sizes but I wtf do I know about anthropology, I'm guessing they only have a few bones which makes estimating the size harder. Very macabre but interesting too.

This doesn't mean that the bones came from a male aged between 5 and 20. It means the bones have lain there for between 5 and 20 years.

Dwarf.Shortage

Salthillprom wrote: »

This doesn't mean that the bones came from a male aged between 5 and 20. It means the bones have lain there for between 5 and 20 years.

Fair, read it a**eways.

Leg End Reject

<snip>
Imagine getting remains back after years of hoping and not being able to hold a normal funeral now, very sad for this man's family.

Suckit

sugarman wrote: »

That's what they're to establish. The remains are described as partial skeletal remains found on the surface. The trees were pruned back on recent months.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/human-remains-found-in-rathmines-39118589.html

Is this the same area?
https://goo.gl/maps/ntEYwaMoZAzaNLEN8

Losty Dublin

Suckit wrote: »

Is this the same area?
https://goo.gl/maps/ntEYwaMoZAzaNLEN8

That's it, yes.

Mehaffey1

Suckit wrote: »

Is this the same area?
https://goo.gl/maps/ntEYwaMoZAzaNLEN8

Good link, couldn't have pictured the trees being so dense from pictures of the site as it looks now.

Have a feeling something very odd indeed has went on here. If the body was there for this long period of time 5-20 years then I have two questions.

1). How come no dogs or other animals disturbed the body? Maybe the density of the trees kept them out?

2). There was bound to be a smell for a while right? The boots of the cars aren't far away at all you'd think it would be noticeable, maybe in winter wouldn't be as bad as a warm summer. There was no reports of a bag being found?

Would lead you to believe this wasn't the place where this poor person died.

Dr Strange

Leg End Reject wrote: »

RTE are reporting that a forensic anthropologist is at the scene. Would it not be the state pathologist if the remains were recent enough?

There seems to be a common misconception regarding the cases a forensic anthropologist works with due to popular fiction etc. A forensic anthropologist may also be an archaeologist BUT that’s not necessarily so. Depending on where they studied they may have a different background, some from medicine, biology or anatomy.

Similarly, they may also get involved in ancient cases BUT if they work in a forensic capacity the remains are generally recent but in some ways compromised, i.e. skeletonised, mummified, dismembered or burnt.
They usually work in conjunction with the forensic pathologist.
The main goal of the forensic anthropologist is identification of the dead while for the forensic pathologist it’s the cause of death.

Look at something massive on a death scale like Grenfell and the use of a relatively large number of forensic anthropologists who worked there to reconstruct and identify the majority of the victims together with the odontologists.

branie2

Hopefully there will be closure for the family

listermint

Lot of speculation here.


Homeless people die every month in this country and any bushed covered area in the city is ripe for sleeping spot.

Hangdogroad

listermint wrote: »

Lot of speculation here.


Homeless people die every month in this country and any bushed covered area in the city is ripe for sleeping spot.

The absence of clothes is odd though. If it was a rough sleeper you'd think they'd have found a sleeping bag or blankets at least.

wakka12

listermint wrote: »

Lot of speculation here.


Homeless people die every month in this country and any bushed covered area in the city is ripe for sleeping spot.

I agree its pretty crazy immediately trying to link this random body to some of the most high profile missing person cases in the history of the country such as <snip> but a homeless person's body wouldnt be so concealed I wouldnt have thought, surely theyd be sleeping in a tent or a sleeping bag

sugarman

sugarman wrote: »

It is, especially when there are currently 244 open adult missing persons cases in Ireland.

How many were last seen within 5 miles of this scene?

The missing Icelandic chap comes to mind too, but don’t know what condition his remains would be in if he were deceased.

Noseygit

Deleted User wrote: »

The missing Icelandic chap comes to mind too, but don’t know what condition his remains would be in if he were deceased.

He scarpered.

Danye

Noseygit wrote: »

He scarpered.

Is that official or just your own theory?

Boards.ie: Niamh

Guys, these posts have been separated out from a thread in After Hours where there was some unfair speculation as to the identity of the person found. I'm happy for the conversation to continue here about this current case but please leave out any unfounded speculation about who it might be until there is an official announcement. You can see my closing post in the other thread here. Thanks all.

ijohhj

Hangdogroad wrote: »

It's most likely someone who went missing in the last year or so.

Wonder if it could be that Icelandic guy. His family are long overdue for some closure...

Oh, seeing the note above now, my bad.

branie2

There was an american man that went missing as well.

Noseygit

Danye wrote: »

Is that official or just your own theory?

Not official and not my theory

Be right back

branie2 wrote: »

There was an american man that went missing as well.

Who's that person?

ijohhj

Noseygit wrote: »

Not official and not my theory

Whoever's theory it was can't be too smart, do they know how passports work?

Marcusm

ijohhj wrote: »

Whoever's theory it was can't be too smart, do they know how passports work?

No idea what the previous poster meant by scarpered but there are no outbound passport checks in Ireland so your suggestion re passports is unlikely to be a practical test for whether some has or has not left the countryz

1968

"Skeletal remains found in Rathmines last week will not be the subject of a postmortem until next Tuesday, gardaí have said.

The partial human remains were found on a common area on a site off the Lower Rathmines Road in Dublin on Thursday, April 9th as work was being carried out on the site.

No clothing remained on the skeletal remains and there had been no apparent effort to bury them.

A forensic anthropologist visited the site late last week to carry out inquiries, as did members of the Garda Technical Bureau. The remains were brought to Dublin City mortuary where they remain.

Efforts have been ongoing to identify the person through DNA testing. This is lengthy process as any DNA extracted needs to be cross-referenced with a long list of missing persons’ DNA. A Garda source said there is no guarantee the remains will ever be identified.

The bones are believed to be those of someone aged between five and 20 years old. Gardaí say the direction of the investigation will be dictated by the results of the postmortem. However, there is no guarantee the examination will reveal the cause of death, the same source said.

Gardaí are not clear if the person died and their body lay undiscovered at the location for a period or if the person died elsewhere and the bones were placed there.

The remains will be examined by the State Pathologist’s Office on Tuesday, April 21st. A Garda spokesman said an update on the investigation will likely follow.

A Department of Justice spokesman said when asked that the Covid-19 crisis is not causing a backlog in postmortem examinations.

According to the Coroners Society of Ireland most Covid-19 deaths do not require a postmortem“unless other circumstances are present and the law mandates an autopsy to be directed by the coroner”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/post-mortem-on-skeleton-remains-found-in-rathmines-due-to-take-place-next-week-1.4230634