Rights on Notice of Redeployment in Public Sector

yenom

Connacht15 wrote: »

I live in a council housing estate and it would be next to impossible for me to work in the local Social Welfare office, even though it's essentially a bank for the layabouts who live in the estate!

I worked in my local welfare office and I wasn't the only one. There was a few working with me that lived in the local area and worked there. You'd always see the customers in the local shops and pubs etc. Whatever about childcare and travel distance, this is not grounds for not being suitable.

beauf

FluffPiece wrote: »

Some places are doing business absence for any days worked at home so no flexi can accrue. I'd imagine something similar will get rolled out across the board

Already has.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1129628/

AulWan

beauf wrote: »

Already has.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1129628/

Yes, this is what I was referring to when I posted yesterday. They kind of slid that one in under the radar. (As they do).

I personally wont be impacted but I wonder how suspending flexitime will work with staggering work hours for people with child care to consider as well and such. So I am presuming (again, it needs to be clarified with local HR) that people have to work their required hours but core times will still be flexible to allow staggering of work.

FluffPiece

That will be a question I'd be interested in knowing the answer to as well on Tuesday.

beauf

Flexi time doesn't work if you can't dictate the specific goes you can work. You might not be able to work during parts day, if you are looking after other people or kids etc but might catch up in the evening or weekend outside of normal Flexi time hours.

If you run up a deficit of hours it might take a very long time to work it back. It's a lot of stress and pressure exactly at the worst time.

AulWan

Exactly. I've no young kids so working normal hours is okay for me, but there are others in my section trying to work around kids as their childcare is gone and its very difficult on them.

Chaos Black

On the other hand if you work in a very busy area you're now not getting any time built up when you have to work longer hours due to business requirements. So some people can now work shorter days where others will be doing longer one's.

I don't think a broad brush approach was correct but can understand the logic given the current circumstances.

As far as I know with re-deployments you go where you're sent as they don't have time to negotiate with people but I am sure some flexibility still exists even if not at an official level. PAS staff are human as well. I would not consider an unwillingness to take public transport as a reason though myself but you may think otherwise. The reason they are using public and civil servants I assume is because we are already vetted and on the payroll system so from a logistical point it is easier to re-deploy rather then bringing in volunteers (I am sure they are doing that as well).

beauf

Chaos Black wrote: »

On the other hand if you work in a very busy area you're now not getting any time built up when you have to work longer hours due to business requirements. So some people can now work shorter days where others will be doing longer one's. ....

If thats all the same area, that's a problem of load balancing and project management.
Different areas being different at different times well thats life.
Then there's this whole national emergency thing. Kinda different times.

The problem with Flexi-Time is that is actually pretty inflexible depending on how its administered.

AulWan

I won't work up extra hours while flexi time is suspended. I'll just do my required number of hours + lunch.

Reputable Rog

[quote="PAS staff are human as well”[/quote]

Quote of the day. PAS are a disastrous, highly incompetent organisation.

An Ri rua

Technocentral wrote: »

No problem doing my bit, I suffer from bronchitis and would be worried about that.

You're 100% entitled to have stated your case as you did without having aspersions cast at you.

jadie

Agree on PAS, they seem very incompetent. I can’t get an answer from them just directed to those useless vague circulars

Nigel Fairservice

AulWan wrote: »

I think they will be somewhat accomodating, but I think it will be limited. Discipline will come in the form of loss of pay - eventually.

I noticed as well in section 3 that as of today, the rules on flexi working hours are changing too. I need to clarify with HR, how I'm reading it, it looks ike
extra hours accrued while working from home, will not be allowed.

No flexi in operation if working from home. I guess people will just work as closely to 7:24 as possible.

Connacht15

yenom wrote: »

I worked in my local welfare office and I wasn't the only one. There was a few working with me that lived in the local area and worked there. You'd always see the customers in the local shops and pubs etc. Whatever about childcare and travel distance, this is not grounds for not being suitable.

Yes but were you living in a rough council estate where over the years a few petrol bombs have been lobbed through front windows and there has been shootings. And of course, it's full of folk who despite being able to have never done a formal day"s work in their lives!
And of course, we have a few social welfare millionaires as well!
That's where I live!

AulWan

Connacht15 wrote: »

Yes but were you living in a rough council estate where over the years a few petrol bombs have been lobbed throw front windows and there has been shootings. And of course, it's full of folk who despite being able to have never done a formal day"s work in their lives!
And of course, we have a few social wellfare millionaires as well!
That's where I live!

If you were backoffice, the locals wouldn't even know. Where I worked had a staff entrance and a separate entrance for the public. They are not going to put untrained staff on a public facing hatch. If by chance you were asked to go to SW, it will be processing claims work.

Anyway, SW are first asking for staff who formerly worked in SW and know their systems to volunteer to return. I would have, but due to underlying conditions and my own Dept unwilling to release me, I can't, as I'm covering for most of my own section who don't have remote access (I do).

Mrs OBumble

Technocentral wrote: »

No problem doing my bit, I suffer from bronchitis and would be worried about that.

One of the conditions of getting a job in the public service is that you have adequate health to carry out the job.

If, since appointment, you have a developed chronic health condition which means you don't have good enough health anymore, then should have discussed options with your manager before now.

An Ri rua

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One of the conditions of getting a job in the public service is that you have adequate health to carry out the job.

If, since appointment, you have a developed chronic health condition which means you don't have good enough health anymore, then should have discussed options with your manager before now.

That is NOT the guidance being given to POs, head of branches/units in the current crisis. In fact, the employer had a clear duty of care to canvass their workforce to see who had a health risk Vis a Viz this infectious disease. As a result, a number of genuine parties, in addition to a number of seasoned 'players' withdrew from the chessboard.

A party with an autoimmune disorder or HIV or cancer etc etc that did not have need to notify their line manager before now HAS been requested to do so as part of the Civil Service's duty of care as an employer. Bronchitis may not qualify but that is the domain of the poster's GP, not the employer and certainly not a self-ordained authority on Boards.

The scenario that you are painting here is incorrect. Can you indicate please which circular you are misinterpreting?

kravmaga

Connacht15 wrote: »

If a public sector worker has received a notice of redeployment during the current Covid 19 crisis, what rights do they have especially if -


The new department is completely unsuitable.
The new location is not reachable within reason.



Thanks for your answers in advance.

Hi OP, did you complete the online form? Pas will contact you via email if you have been selected for Temporary assignment

I know that the 2 areas where they badly need staff is the HSE and DSP.

HSE more than likely need Admin for contact tracing or data input, telephone calls etc. If your living on the Northside of Dublin you may be placed at the Nursing building this is for staff of the HSE Call centre hub.


On the Glasnevin Campus, Residences,the Nursing building (for Call Centre and HSE Clinical Hub staff and volunteers only) and the Estates Office on the Glasnevin campus will remain open.


If you have issues with a temporary assignment why dont you consult your Union rep for further clarification.

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/covid19/temporary-assignment

Nigel Fairservice

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One of the conditions of getting a job in the public service is that you have adequate health to carry out the job.

If, since appointment, you have a developed chronic health condition which means you don't have good enough health anymore, then should have discussed options with your manager before now.

Someone having bronchitis wouldn't necessarily mean they have inadequate health to carry out the job. Bronchitis can be well managed in normal times and generally wouldn't be serious enough to keep a young and relatvely fit person out of work. However, seeing as Covid 19 can result in pneumonia I can well understand why someone with bronchitis would be apprehensive about going to work on public transport. I'm not sure anyone could have had a discussion with their manager before March about what their options would be in a global pandemic.

Reputable Rog

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One of the conditions of getting a job in the public service is that you have adequate health to carry out the job.

If, since appointment, you have a developed chronic health condition which means you don't have good enough health anymore, then should have discussed options with your manager before now.

Would you ever get a grip. People develop conditions that don’t hinder their current jobs. How could they have predicted a global pandemic?
Also when you do your medical or fill out the questionnaire it’s generally role specific.

Connacht15

kravmaga wrote: »

Hi OP, did you complete the online form? Pas will contact you via email if you have been selected for Temporary assignment

I know that the 2 areas where they badly need staff is the HSE and DSP.

HSE more than likely need Admin for contact tracing or data input, telephone calls etc.

If you have issues with a temporary assignment why dont you consult your Union rep for further clarification.

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/covid19/temporary-assignment

I have completed the online form as I was directed to do so by my EO.

kravmaga

Okay so just wait now, PAS may or may not select you for re-assignment.

Ive had an email back last Thursday and await further contact from the departmental Operations Manager in the HSE.

Ive been selected to go to the HSE.

jadie

I got the same email last Thursday. Worried about the contact tracing, only seems to be two places doing it remotely. I’ve also childcare issues. The unions have washed their hands of it understandably.

billyhead

Are they just redeploying Clerical Officers or is it all grades?

Addle

All grades

jadie

In our place it’s lower grades

kravmaga

billyhead wrote: »

Are they just redeploying Clerical Officers or is it all grades?

All Grades

kravmaga

jadie wrote: »

I got the same email last Thursday. Worried about the contact tracing, only seems to be two places doing it remotely. I’ve also childcare issues. The unions have washed their hands of it understandably.

What part of Ireland are you located?

jadie

Cork

Reputable Rog

jadie wrote: »

I got the same email last Thursday. Worried about the contact tracing, only seems to be two places doing it remotely. I’ve also childcare issues. The unions have washed their hands of it understandably.

Nothing understandable about it. The Unions have been deplorable.