Relaxation of restrictions

section4

That’s what I was thinking
Also if I stay in Dublin she could bring the virus to me from work
Or she could get it from me and take it into work
None of us have been tested But have no symptoms
If she stays here on her own and works and I stay in Donegal
On my own then that’s seems to to be the right thing to do.
We are both doing the right thing she is providing an essential service
And I am self isolating and won’t infect her or her patients if I have it.
Better to err on the side of caution

Raconteuse

Minime2.5 wrote: »

We irish as a people are going to suffer from this outbreak because we are a bunch of chancers

Take Drink driving. Corruption with the banks. The government. The gards.

The ah sur it will be grand atittude has to change because if it doesn't it really wont be

Beyond me how you could see this as just an Irish thing.

It's a universal trait.

Just more moaning about the Irish - by the Irish.

Sexual Chocolate

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Some are but lots aren't. Dunnes for example are over staffed in a lot of their stores I've being told as they have brought workers from the clothing sections into the supermarket.

My daughter had an interview with dunnes yesterday. Be great if she gets it, it's right beside us. They are taking on 6 staff apparently

Lidl and Aldi also recruiting but she didn't get interviews

Minime2.5

Minime2.5 wrote: »

We irish as a people are going to suffer from this outbreak because we are a bunch of chancers

Take Drink driving. Corruption with the banks. The government. The gards.

The ah sur it will be grand atittude has to change because if it doesn't it really wont be

Why do people confuse the Irish and English words?

Guards
Gardai

It's not some mutant Irish / English mix.

tritriagain

citysights wrote: »

It’s an emergency payment, people literally lost their jobs overnight.

As did i. I'm not looking for more money but the country can't afford to be throwing money around. Flat rate would have been enough for everyone. You now have a situation where slot of people are better off out of work. Doesn't make sense to me.

Kermit.de.frog

Only temporary.

They go on normal job seekers after 12 weeks which is 200.

tritriagain

Thats 1800 per person if this lasts the 12 weeks. A lot of people saying the economy is wrecked and we will need investment . squandering money now won't help.

VinLieger

tritriagain wrote: »

Thats 1800 per person if this lasts the 12 weeks. A lot of people saying the economy is wrecked and we will need investment . squandering money now won't help.

This is nothing close to squandering money, this is literally an investment to keep the economy ticking along at the low level it currently is, we need people to have money to spend on the essentials to simply exist, its the only way we will come through this in any kind of recoverable way.

Diarmuid

Blueshoe wrote: »

I have a friend in Paris who told me she hadn't left her apartment in 3 weeks. Gets food delivered. French police will fine people 135 euros for being out in public without authorization. Repeat offenders face prison.
Here you can exercise within 2km and can go to the shop for groceries. Stick it out

Just to be clear, this is false. I'm in France and have been for the past few months. You can self certify (ie sign your name to a form) and go outside for exercise, shops etc. You can exercise the same as in Ireland but the limit is 1km although not coded in law. It's pretty much the same as what you have in Ireland now, apart from require a form that you fill in yourself

mirrorwall14

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Letting kids out to mix.

Another dropping kids up to grandparents for a break.

For a break? Ffs I had to cancel my surgery for next week because I’ve no childcare with creche closed and I wouldn’t dream of asking the grandparents! They’re properly cocooning exactly the way they are supposed to. So I’m sitting here popping ponston with a heat pack for another wonderful monthly cycle of pain waiting for this virus to **** right off

facehugger99

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 82.

It's preposterous that we're flirting with wrecking the economy for generations over this.

It's a virus that is serious for a very specific demographic that are easy to identify and protect - the very old and the very sick.

For everyone else the risk is negligible.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 82.

It's preposterous that we're flirting with wrecking the economy for generations over this.

It's a virus that is serious for a very specific demographic that are easy to identify and protect - the very old and the very sick.

For everyone else the risk is negligible.

You realise the health service would collapse in a matter of days?

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise the health service would collapse in a matter of days?

Hysterical nonsense.

Diarmuid

Diarmuid wrote: »

Just to be clear, this is false. I'm in France and have been for the past few months. You can self certify (ie sign your name to a form) and go outside for exercise, shops etc. You can exercise the same as in Ireland but the limit is 1km although not coded in law. It's pretty much the same as what you have in Ireland now, apart from require a form that you fill in yourself

Blueshoe pulling fake information from his arse? Colour me shocked!

The Nutty M

tritriagain wrote: »

Thats 1800 per person if this lasts the 12 weeks. A lot of people saying the economy is wrecked and we will need investment . squandering money now won't help.

It's 4200 if it goes on the 12 weeks,not 1800.

To see the figures for the unemployed released was alarming. But then you delve into the figures, just over 200k long term unemployed being counted in the overall figure. It's a great headline to say the unemployment figure is XXX but in truth,when this is over there is a job waiting for at least 90% of the 290k people out of work due to Corona. The other 30k will find work because they want to work,they won't become long term unemployed.

Blueshoe

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Know of a few people today who broke the restrictions for the 1st time.

Either bigger lockdown next week or people will just start going out.

Fines and imprisonment required.
.the country is at a standstill and healthcare services pushed to their limit.
Idiots can't even sit in their arse indoors.

pjohnson

The Nutty M wrote: »

It's 4200 if it goes on the 12 weeks,not 1800.

To see the figures for the unemployed released was alarming. But then you delve into the figures, just over 200k long term unemployed being counted in the overall figure. It's a great headline to say the unemployment figure is XXX but in truth,when this is over there is a job waiting for at least 90% of the 290k people out of work due to Corona. The other 30k will find work because they want to work,they won't become long term unemployed.

You mean qualified teachers will STILL be qualified teachers!?

The hysteria has been bizarre from the start. The vast majority easily walk straight back into their jobs after this.

timmy_mallet

Blueshoe wrote: »

Fines and imprisonment required.
.the country is at a standstill and healthcare services pushed to their limit.
Idiots can't even sit in their arse indoors.

Is their any evidence that healthcare services are pushed to their limit? It sounds like the HSE are asking for people to come to hospital, not something very ever heard before.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hysterical nonsense.

Not at all, look at how the likes of Italy, the UK and the US are coping at the moment...

pjohnson

facehugger99 wrote: »

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 82.

It's preposterous that we're flirting with wrecking the economy for generations over this.

It's a virus that is serious for a very specific demographic that are easy to identify and protect - the very old and the very sick.

For everyone else the risk is negligible.

Why is the median ICU age so much lower then if its negligible facehugger? Do you think ICU is a holiday?

The Nutty M

section4 wrote: »

My wife is a nurse, we were in Donegal fir 2 weeks when the restrictions started, she had to come back up to work a week of night shifts a week last Monday. My house in Donegal is out on its own with no one within 200 metres, ideal just now. She didn’t want to get the bus up in case she became infected and then carried it into work. She insisted I drive her up which I did although I didn’t want to as I am over 60 and in the vulnerabl3 group and would be safer in my house in Donegal . I drove her up thinking I could then drive back down but now the restrictions are in. I don’t want to be here and she doesn’t want me here when she is in out of work, I could drive down to my house without meeting anyone and be safer. I wonder would I be allowed to do that.

Hopefully they do stop you. A lockdown is a lockdown.

I'm not trying to be a dick but this is exactly what the rules were brought in for,to stop the transmission from one pat of the area to the other. I'm in Donegal and there is and was quite rightly uproar over people traveling to their holiday homes and caravans from various parts of the country.

tritriagain

The Nutty M wrote: »

It's 4200 if it goes on the 12 weeks,not 1800.

To see the figures for the unemployed released was alarming. But then you delve into the figures, just over 200k long term unemployed being counted in the overall figure. It's a great headline to say the unemployment figure is XXX but in truth,when this is over there is a job waiting for at least 90% of the 290k people out of work due to Corona. The other 30k will find work because they want to work,they won't become long term unemployed.

i meant the difference between the normal rate of 200 pw against the covid 19 rate of 350.
trying to find work down the country is not easy. speaking from experience.

kippy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Hopelessly unrealistic.

We are dealing in months, not weeks.

We are dealing in months alright. It's obvious from this thread and the attitude of some people in the real world that there are unfortunately people who do not seem to be able to grasp the importance of following orders, adjusting your lifestyle and getting on with it for the greater good.
You only have to look at our close neighbours to see whats happening when they were slow to start locking down. The measures we have had in place the past three weeks are the only reason our numbers aren't skyrocketing.

The flipping economy will recovery. We will live in an adjusted world afterwards. In the mean time do what you are told and be clad not to be in the cocooning group.
Do a course. Learn a skill. Do that job you've been putting off. Learn to cook. Write a book or diary. Play with your kids. Listen to music. Watch a movie. Get out for your 4k walk. Etc etc

jlm29

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hysterical nonsense.

No, it’s absolutely correct. Italy had a world class healthcare system, and look where they’re at. We, on the other hand, are very poorly equipped at the best of times.

The median age of people who have died in Ireland is 82, because there a number of clusters in nursing homes. A lot of those people haven’t been admitted to hospital, but the age of people requiring admission to icu and to be ventilated is much younger.
My local hospital has 5 ICU beds, and a catchment area of about 90000. Can you see how the maths might be a problem? People don’t need to be ventilated for hours. It’s probably weeks. And then if people get Better they need to be rehabbed.

kippy

facehugger99 wrote: »

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 82.

It's preposterous that we're flirting with wrecking the economy for generations over this.

It's a virus that is serious for a very specific demographic that are easy to identify and protect - the very old and the very sick.

For everyone else the risk is negligible.

Nonsense.
What happens when we have no or very few of the rules in place?
There are major risks to the economy if almost everyone gets it. The recovery time is up to 3 week assuming no complications in a large amount of cases.
You think businesses could survive with large swaths of their employees and customers out sick.

What happens to the hospital's if it gets out of control. More admissions. What happens if other people need the hospital's. Kids, yourself? Do you think they could deal with it all.
The economy will recover. It always does.

You show a very poor understanding of numbers and statistics and indeed empathy which is more worrying

The Nutty M

And to get on to the topic of the thread. From chatting to the father who's in Irish Rail, he is seeing a high disregard of the rules. In the past 2 weeks he has taken in no cash although there are lots of social welfare tickets traveling on day trips between towns and going on longer journeys.

The sooner the regulations come into force the better to stop these journeys going on. If the rumours of €2500 fines are true I think it's a disservice. A lower monetary fine that is in the realms of being paid but is immediately painful enough to wake people up to their actions might be more effective. As I assume the 2500 fine would be a long drawn out process.

odyssey06

The Nutty M wrote: »

And to get on to the topic of the thread. From chatting to the father who's in Irish Rail, he is seeing a high disregard of the rules. In the past 2 weeks he has taken in no cash although there are lots of social welfare tickets traveling on day trips between towns and going on longer journeys.

The sooner the regulations come into force the better to stop these journeys going on. If the rumours of €2500 fines are true I think it's a disservice. A lower monetary fine that is in the realms of being paid but is immediately painful enough to wake people up to their actions might be more effective. As I assume the 2500 fine would be a long drawn out process.

Just stop them travelling on trains full stop.
Fines are not going to be effective versus the cant pay wont pay brigade.

niallo27

The Nutty M wrote: »

And to get on to the topic of the thread. From chatting to the father who's in Irish Rail, he is seeing a high disregard of the rules. In the past 2 weeks he has taken in no cash although there are lots of social welfare tickets traveling on day trips between towns and going on longer journeys.

The sooner the regulations come into force the better to stop these journeys going on. If the rumours of €2500 fines are true I think it's a disservice. A lower monetary fine that is in the realms of being paid but is immediately painful enough to wake people up to their actions might be more effective. As I assume the 2500 fine would be a long drawn out process.

How are you going fine someone on social welfare 2500, listen nothing against you but everyone has a story like this that gets exaggerated ten fold. I would say 98% of the population are doing the right thing.

Whatever lockdowns we have, there will always be people that will break them. The guards cant stop gangs of youths wrecking estates around the country, how do you expect them to stop people leaving their houses.

facehugger99

kippy wrote: »

Nonsense.
What happens when we have no or very few of the rules in place?
There are major risks to the economy if almost everyone gets it. The recovery time is up to 3 week assuming no complications in a large amount of cases.
You think businesses could survive with large swaths of their employees and customers out sick.

What happens to the hospital's if it gets out of control. More admissions. What happens if other people need the hospital's. Kids, yourself? Do you think they could deal with it all.
The economy will recover. It always does.

You show a very poor understanding of numbers and statistics and indeed empathy which is more worrying

Total nonsense - most people get mild to zero symptoms.

3 weeks out? - maybe if you've an extremely bad dose which is incredibly rare or are a snowflake, which is sadly more common.

In case you haven't noticed, most businesses are shut down now - I think they'd take the risk of your '3 weeks sick' scenario.

salmocab

facehugger99 wrote: »

Total nonsense - most people get mild to zero symptoms.

3 weeks out? - maybe if you've an extremely bad dose which is incredibly rare or are a snowflake, which is sadly more common.

In case you haven't noticed, most businesses are shut down now - I think they'd take the risk of your '3 weeks sick' scenario.

The people with zero symptoms are surely a big threat? Walking around spreading it, people would die in your scenario, far more than the current setup. Hospitals would be overcrowded so people with unrelated illnesses would die too. Luckily for us your scenario won’t be happening though.