Relaxation of restrictions

WhiteMemento9

jibber5000 wrote: »

Sorry for not being clear!

Elective oncology procedures ARE life threatening. They have to wait for tissue diagnosis and to arrange theatre slots which takes usually 3-4 weeks. Hence the term elective not an emergency.

I understand the current stress and fear those people must be under in that kind of circumstance. It must be massively magnified in the current situation and my heart really does go out to those people. I can only hope we are prioritising cases based on the level of risk and those who most need the care will receive it in a timely manner.

jibber5000 wrote: »

Colonoscopys can be either as part of surveillance programme or clinically indicated referral by GP.

The referral by GP ones are the ones I meant which I think should be going ahead. I hope in cases that doctors think warrants it they can make it a prioirty.

It is an awful situation on so many levels.

niallo27

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well if not - the minute you open up restriction, cases will sky rocket, and so no one will be allowed out.

So your either on the fence will good social distancing practice, along with hygenie practice, etc that it will help reduce the spread.

Or you of the opinion it won't, and the hospitals will get overrun within days/weeks.

Well I'm of the opinion if your vulnerable you should definitely cocoon, or severely restrict your movements. Anything else is selfish and will put pressure on our health service.

Ace2007

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

No, many posters believe those that are high risk should be advised to maintain social distancing, not locked away. You make it sound like we want to cart these people of to some sort of modern day Magdalene Laundry.

The below poster believes that we cant' lift restrictions for the vulnerable - they can't have the same freedom until they get a vaccine.

My stance is that if you believe social distancing etc is acceptable for you and me to go about our daily lives, it should also be acceptable for the sick/vulnerable to make their own decisions and go about their lives if they so wish. Be that to the pub, or be that a cancer patient wanting to get chemo.

polesheep wrote: »

I know very well your position regarding lifting restrictions for all, but that won't happen. The vulnerable cannot and won't have the same freedoms as everyone else until we get a vaccine, which will hopefully come soon.

Edit Here's another poster saying that

niallo27 wrote: »

Well I'm of the opinion if your vulnerable you should definitely cocoon, or severely restrict your movements. Anything else is selfish and will put pressure on our health service.

Ace2007

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

No, many posters believe those that are high risk should be advised to maintain social distancing, not locked away. You make it sound like we want to cart these people of to some sort of modern day Magdalene Laundry.

niallo27 wrote: »

Well I'm of the opinion if your vulnerable you should definitely cocoon, or severely restrict your movements. Anything else is selfish and will put pressure on our health service.

I also find it very odd Niallo that you thank CteveSrowder post above, despite it being at complete odds to what you are saying

CtevenSrowder

Ace2007 wrote: »

The below poster believes that we cant' lift restrictions for the vulnerable - they can't have the same freedom until they get a vaccine.

My stance is that if you believe social distancing etc is acceptable for you and me to go about our daily lives, it should also be acceptable for the sick/vulnerable to make their own decisions and go about their lives if they so wish. Be that to the pub, or be that a cancer patient wanting to get chemo.



Edit Here's another poster saying that

Niallo's post is saying he thinks they should. He is not saying they should be made to. This is the difference. This what I am saying, they should be advised to and whether they do or not is up to them. It seems, though, that you me and Niallo are all in agreement in that. I'd imagine the pole fella is aswell.

Not forced to, advised to.

niallo27

Ace2007 wrote: »

I also find it very odd Niallo that you thank CteveSrowder post above, despite it being at complete odds to what you are saying

Well I dont consider the current restrictions we are under as being locked away. I can respect someone's opinion and thank it even if I dont agree with it. I have thanked some of your posts.

GazzaL

The peak in Ireland was 10 days ago: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0418/1132271-deaths-covid-holohan/

There's no doubt that restrictions will be eased shortly.

WhiteMemento9

GazzaL wrote: »

The peak in Ireland was 10 days ago: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0418/1132271-deaths-covid-holohan/

There's no doubt that restrictions will be eased shortly.

The peak of the posts about it happened about 10 pages back.

Icyseanfitz

So basically the 44 deaths yesterday where only 20 on Friday so not the highest yet. While the 36 deaths on the 10th of April where all on the 10th of April. Lads above the consistency of numbers is fantastic

Ace2007

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Niallo's post is saying he thinks they should. He is not saying they should be made to. This is the difference. This what I am saying, they should be advised to and whether they do or not is up to them. It seems, though, that you me and Niallo are all in agreement in that. I'd imagine the pole fella is aswell.

Not forced to, advised to.

And what about the other poster that i quoted - do you interpret what they are saying different to how i read it?

martingriff

JP100 wrote: »

I think they has been a softtening in that position. As a parent it's very challenging having children home all of the time but I think it would be madness letting kids back before September. To send them back when we are getting close to the summer holidays in any case is really high risk. Think when the school's do go back, people will become lax again in their attitudes to this virus, so rushing the return of schools is very high risk.

SusanC10 wrote: »

I am really hoping that they won't open until September. Apart from the Leaving Certs, most of whom would be adults (18) anyway.
Yes, it is challenging having the Kids at home all the time but I want it to be as safe as possible when they do go back.

Having kids under your feet all day is horrible but your right they need to keep them off until them

martingriff

lord quackinton wrote: »

When posters resort to personal attacks you know you have them
They have nothing left to argue with
When we open up and see the economic damage caused I hope the flat earthers on here do the right thing and apologise and Maybe think about volunteering in their community with those who will left destitute by their actions

Shame on all of you

You seem to think that people here believe all will be rosy and it will be back to normal. People know there will be pain and unfortunately will lose there job so no people will not come here and apologise but I guess you will be on here with glee. So just open the economy and just let's be what be yes.

Restriction will be eased but only when we know the sick and dead will not overwhelm the health service that includes Covid 19 and all other problems such as heart diseases because the health system is overwhelmed. Just look at Italy Spain and New York

Ace2007

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So basically the 44 deaths yesterday where only 20 on Friday so not the highest yet. While the 36 deaths on the 10th of April where all on the 10th of April. Lads above the consistency of numbers is fantastic

I think most people knew that the deaths were a few days old, just like new cases, aren't in the last 24 hours - it's just the results that are back within 24 hours.

pgj2015

you would wonder is Leo one if the pessimistic posters here(not really), that depressing speech on paddys day and one only a week ago about dark days ahead. The government here seem to have done a decent job when you look at the US and the UK but I wasnt impressed by the way Leo addressed the Irish people and im not a fine gael hater either, I voted for them in the last election.

CtevenSrowder

Ace2007 wrote: »

And what about the other poster that i quoted - do you interpret what they are saying different to how i read it?

It could easily be read the way you did yes, as he talked about "not having freedoms" that the rest of us do. However I take it that he means what both of us do, that they will be advised to. He can clear up exactly what he means when he comes back, and it'd be best he does. Though I will say he is one poster, and you did refer to many.

zerosugarbuzz

pgj2015 wrote: »

you would wonder is Leo one if the pessimistic posters here(not really), that depressing speech on paddys day and one only a week ago about dark days ahead. The government here seem to have done a decent job when you look at the US and the UK but I wasnt impressed by the way Leo addressed the Irish people and im not a fine gael hater either, I voted for them in the last election.

You don’t have to justify or apologies for your opinions here. You can joke about Leo all you want without explanation and you can be a Fine Gael hater, Admitting to voting for them in the last election is pushing it though....

polesheep

Ace2007 wrote: »

The below poster believes that we cant' lift restrictions for the vulnerable - they can't have the same freedom until they get a vaccine.

My stance is that if you believe social distancing etc is acceptable for you and me to go about our daily lives, it should also be acceptable for the sick/vulnerable to make their own decisions and go about their lives if they so wish. Be that to the pub, or be that a cancer patient wanting to get chemo.



Edit Here's another poster saying that

I wasn't going to reply to you anymore, but I will not permit you to misrepresent my views. Note the word 'same' in my post.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Anyone else reckon the barbers reopen on May 5th? Contemplating shaving the lot off, but if it’s only until May I might hold off.

pgj2015

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

You don’t have to justify or apologies for your opinions here. You can joke about Leo all you want without explanation and you can be a Fine Gael hater, Admitting to voting for them in the last election is pushing it though....

I did vote for them, i gave 1 and 2 to them. might even do so again, was just pointing out how disappointed i was with his speeches.

PTH2009

Feel a bit more optimistic now but dont think it will be as straight forward on the 5th May as we think

People already planning pub crawls for that week

Ace2007

polesheep wrote: »

I wasn't going to reply to you anymore, but I will not permit you to misrepresent my views. Note the word 'same' in my post.

And if no vaccine is ever found - what then?

Cancer has been around for year and years and cures are hard to come by, there is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed successfully for this virus.

Your side stepping some serious issues because you don't want to say anything controversial, like what level of freedown will you allow the sick/elderly in our society?

My opinion is that we leave it up to the individual - if society thinks its safe for the normal Joe to be out and social distancing.

You don't appear to want to nail your colours to the mast, instead saying that can't have the same restrictions.

Icyseanfitz

Ace2007 wrote: »

I think most people knew that the deaths were a few days old, just like new cases, aren't in the last 24 hours - it's just the results that are back within 24 hours.

if everything is back tracked how can they possibly say we have reached the peak

Icyseanfitz

PTH2009 wrote: »

Feel a bit more optimistic now but dont think it will be as straight forward on the 5th May as we think

People already planning pub crawls for that week

Pub crawls, they can't be serious

martingriff

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I think people who are at higher risk need to accept that wider society is making huge sacrifices for them, and there will come a time when they need to give that back. Nobody gets to have it all here.

Social distancing will not eliminate the risk for vulnerable people, so anything short of total lockdown is going to require their cooperation or their acceptance that they are going to be at risk if they go out.

Everyone is making s sacrifice for the greater good for everyone who may get this and may die. Your mine sacrifice is not as big as any bodies else (except those it the front lines). So no they have nothing to repay you for

polesheep

Ace2007 wrote: »

And if no vaccine is ever found - what then?

Cancer has been around for year and years and cures are hard to come by, there is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed successfully for this virus.

Then the vulnerable will always live restricted lives. Unless, of course, they want to take a risk and I have no objection to them doing so. But if they get on a bus, for example, then they will be at a greater risk than non-vulnerable passengers and have to accept that. You are of the opinion that if a bus is not safe for vulnerable people, then the bus should not be available to anyone. That is not tenable.

Ace2007

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

if everything is back tracked how can they possibly say we have reached the peak

I don't think they really can, and i don't think he should have said that, but they have more information than me and you - like he probably know what numbers are going to be announced for the next 2/3 days. Just cause a death isn't official, doesn't mean people don't know about it.

Ace2007

polesheep wrote: »

Then the vulnerable will always live restricted lives. Unless, of course, they want to take a risk and I have no objection to them doing so. But if they get on a bus, for example, then they will be at a greater risk than non-vulnerable passengers and have to accept that. You are of the opinion that if a bus is not safe for vulnerable people, then the bus should not be available to anyone. That is not tenable.

In your opinion it's not tenable. Society is going to change - and we see that with Q's to get into shops, time for the vulnerable to shop, more people doing online GP's appointments.

Society is changing and will continue to change as we all get back to living our lives.

Icyseanfitz

Ace2007 wrote: »

I don't think they really can, and i don't think he should have said that, but they have more information than me and you - like he probably know what numbers are going to be announced for the next 2/3 days. Just cause a death isn't official, doesn't mean people don't know about it.

I personally think we have yet to peak but in order to placate and keep people calm at at home they are using the carrot on the stick approach, now a lot of people think everything is Rosey come may 5th so will gladly stay home, might work well if everything does get better for may 5th, could be absolutely disastrous if not.

polesheep

Ace2007 wrote: »

In your opinion it's not tenable. Society is going to change - and we see that with Q's to get into shops, time for the vulnerable to shop, more people doing online GP's appointments.

Society is changing and will continue to change as we all get back to living our lives.

So you're saying that either a bus is safe for everyone, including the vulnerable, or it doesn't run? Try to answer without deflecting.

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Pub crawls, they can't be serious

There's a huge amount of people out there that would blissfully ruin all the benefit recent endeavours have yielded.