R Kings and other car raffles

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

It’s legit. My buddy won a 162 320d coupe on it, think he got stung for a few thousand when we went to VRT it though.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It’s legit. My buddy won a 162 320d coupe on it, think he got stung for a few thousand when we went to VRT it though.

Finally someone with so real info on it.

Is it difficult to get the licence to run a raffle like this? And does the licence exempt the winners from paying gift tax?

jimmycrackcorm

I was wondering how the winners are picked, but it's a live facebook video and using google random generator

Still, its possible to create a fake proxy to point to a localhost website for google and run your own "fixed" random generator, which also happens to update your Excel sheet also with your chosen winner.

Corben Dallas

Total scam run on facebook. More than likely running an illegal "raffle", who verifies that the draw is even run?

Even if they do give out prizes, its probably a mate who been prearranged to "win" etc. BOGUS.

tuxy

Corben Dallas wrote: »

Total scam run on facebook. More than likely running an illegal "raffle", who verifies that the draw is even run?

Even if they do give out prizes, its probably a mate who been prearranged to "win" etc. BOGUS.

Not necessarily. Without keeping the car they still make a large amount of money.
And the more real winners the more fools that will enter the next one.

It's the whole legality of the business that I don't get, I just don't understand how they manage to do this illegally. But maybe there is a way, so an answer to how it is done interests me.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tuxy wrote: »

Finally someone with so real info on it.

Is it difficult to get the licence to run a raffle like this? And does the licence exempt the winners from paying gift tax?

You’re asking the wrong man. All I know is he paid €25 for a ticket, I went to double check his Facebook there and any hint he won the car has been scrubbed, it was ALL over Facebook a few weeks ago when he won. Mind you I’d probably do the same. I’d say they make you take photos and do promo stuff when you pick it up. He definitely has the car though so it’s legit.

He’s in Tipperary by the way.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

You’re asking the wrong man. All I know is he paid €25 for a ticket, I went to double check his Facebook there and any hint he won the car has been scrubbed, it was ALL over Facebook a few weeks ago when he won. Mind you I’d probably do the same. I’d say they make you take photos and do promo stuff when you pick it up. He definitely has the car though so it’s legit.

Yeah if he was to pay the gift tax(33% of value) on top of the VRT it would get very expensive. Makes sense he would delete it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tuxy wrote: »

Yeah if he was to pay the gift tax(33% of value) on top of the VRT it would get very expensive. Makes sense he would delete it.

I got nosey, they've pics of everyone who's won on their official R Kings website, his pic is still there but all "evidence" he's won has been scrubbed from all of his social media.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I got nosey, they've pics of everyone who's won on their official R Kings website, his pic is still there but all "evidence" he's won has been scrubbed from all of his social media.

Maybe he requested it to be removed, I know I would.
The picture may have been in the terms and conditions. It benefits them if they can show a winner.

Dravokivich

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It’s legit. My buddy won a 162 320d coupe on it, think he got stung for a few thousand when we went to VRT it though.

A 2016 3 series coupe? Weren't they all 4 series by then?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Dravokivich wrote: »

A 2016 3 series coupe? Weren't they all 4 series by then?

Ah you’re right, it is. Look the same to me.

Scubasteve182

I know one of the owners of a similar large competition company in England and they use the same method and all above board, in actual fact another one was on dragons den and got a couple of investors too, so I think personally it must be above board, and in regards to the revenue and taxes, I think they would find it hard to hide anything if all entries are paid for through the bank and cars are paid for with bank transfer like a few have said on here already, To me it seems like there is a bit of jealousy going on here, this is one of the biggest problems with this country in my opinion, in that we can't celebrate others success we would rather attempt to find a flaw and shoot them down. Also I did do a bit of digging and on company house both addresses seem to be legit and I can't find this field being spoke of so not sure if that is just an attempt to tarnish a reputation before checking anything first or if you put a digit wrong on Google maps.

Lofidelity

It looks so simple its strange nobody thought of it before.

The biggest winner in all this is their supplier of replica alloys and tinting film.

Cee-Jay-Cee

colm_mcm wrote: »

As far as I know, any raffles which do not have a charitable purpose aren’t legal in Ireland.

There were amendments to the gaming and lotteries act discussed in the Seanad before Christmas but I don’t know if that bit was changed recently.

They’re based in Northern Ireland.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Shur dont we raffle houses down south? 500 a ticket, whats the difference

Midnight_EG

Lofidelity wrote: »

It looks so simple its strange nobody thought of it before.

The biggest winner in all this is their supplier of replica alloys and tinting film.

Why? They don't do a thing to the cars except buy them?

tuxy

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Shur dont we raffle houses down south? 500 a ticket, whats the difference

Do you mean the licenced house raffles run by organisations like the GAA?
Or the illegal ones?

sc86

The country is in the grip of a pandemic and there is lads on here salty over a legit company making a few pound from a very simple idea.

I love ireland , and i love our culture etc , but the begrudgery in our nature is our worst aspect, reading the replies here is jaw dropping , and in some cases quiet sad.

They raffle a good standard of car , they wont buy rubbish and there is genuine winners , nobody is forced to enter.
If a guy wins a 20k car for 20 quid , good for him , if the guy who raffles it makes a few quid , good for him also.

tuxy

sc86 wrote: »

The country is in the grip of a pandemic and there is lads on here salty over a legit company making a few pound from a very simple idea.

I love ireland , and i love our culture etc , but the begrudgery in our nature is our worst aspect, reading the replies here is jaw dropping , and in some cases quiet sad.

They raffle a good standard of car , they wont buy rubbish and there is genuine winners , nobody is forced to enter.
If a guy wins a 20k car for 20 quid , good for him , if the guy who raffles is makes a few quid , good for him also.

I'm mostly interested in understanding the law.
How are license obtained for this and how does it differ from licences in the republic?

sc86

tuxy wrote: »

I'm mostly interested in understanding the law.
How are license obtained for this and how does it differ from licences in the republic?

Id say your best ring the raffle police and ask them if you so worried.

tuxy

sc86 wrote: »

Id say your best ring the raffle police and ask them if you so worried.

With the large number of posters on boards I'd say I have a better chance of finding someone who understands it on here.

sc86

tuxy wrote: »

With the large number of posters on boards I'd say I have a better chance of finding someone who understands it on here.

I would doubt that going by some of the replies!

Dravokivich

sc86 wrote: »

The country is in the grip of a pandemic and there is lads on here salty over a legit company making a few pound from a very simple idea.

I love ireland , and i love our culture etc , but the begrudgery in our nature is our worst aspect, reading the replies here is jaw dropping , and in some cases quiet sad.

They raffle a good standard of car , they wont buy rubbish and there is genuine winners , nobody is forced to enter.
If a guy wins a 20k car for 20 quid , good for him , if the guy who raffles it makes a few quid , good for him also.

A lot of what I saw in this thread was skepticism. "If it's too good to be true..."

grayzer75

The guy who runs it lives just outside Bessbrook, he runs it as a sideline to his kitchen business which is understandably quiet at the moment so he's keeping himself ticking over with running competitions. Prizes, winners, etc are all genuine and not a scam.

Lofidelity

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Why? They don't do a thing to the cars except buy them?

Maybe so, they give the punters what they want. And thats tints and alloys.


Im not knocking them btw, i admire business people that think outside the box.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Dravokivich wrote: »

A lot of what I saw in this thread was skepticism. "If it's too good to be true..."

It's real. You can genuinely win a car for 20 euros, you'll be up against 799 other people but you can win.

selectamatic

Lofidelity wrote: »

Maybe so, they give the punters what they want. And thats tints and alloys.


Im not knocking them btw, i admire business people that think outside the box.

You're trying to portray it as below you though so in a way you are knocking it.

By in large I don't enter competitions or raffles but yet I still haven't developed such a superiority complex that I write off f10 M5's, c63 amg's, Tommi Makinen evo's etc. as "tints and alloys."

If you're above those sort of cars then I can only assume your name begins with Sheikh...

Dravokivich

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It's real. You can genuinely win a car for 20 euros, you'll be up against 799 other people but you can win.

Yeah, but it's easy to see why people would be apprenhensive. I did the same as others when I saw it come up in facebook feeds. Followed the breadcrumbs of winners tagged, and can see there is indeed a genuine prize given. There's no harm in asking about it. Which I figured the thread covered for the most part. It's just a bit odd seeing the "begrudgery" comment, when everyone was just talking about the legitimacy of business setup itself.

Lofidelity

selectamatic wrote: »

You're trying to portray it as below you though so in a way you are knocking it.

By in large I don't enter competitions or raffles but yet I still haven't developed such a superiority complex that I write off f10 M5's, c63 amg's, Tommi Makinen evo's etc. as "tints and alloys."

If you're above those sort of cars then I can only assume your name begins with Sheikh...

Maybe they have proper performance cars sometimes but not today. Two cars available this morning, an E350 and an A3 1.6se, both of them....you know.

eljono

The mechanics of this look the same to me as what BOTB do. I've seen them operate in Ireland and UK, so looks at first glance, like it's a legal way to run a business.

yop

Very much legit. Buddy picked up his beemer the lucky sod!

Del2005

yop wrote: »

Very much legit. Buddy picked up his beemer the lucky sod!

No one doubts that people are winning cars. The question is it a legal raffle and so far everything posted says it isn't, that means that there can be tax implications for the "winners".

tuxy

Del2005 wrote: »

No one doubts that people are winning cars. The question is it a legal raffle and so far everything posted says it isn't, that means that there can be tax implications for the "winners".

Exactly. It looks illegal if you read the legislation. But my understanding of it could be completely wrong.
Normally things like this are easy to research but I honestly can't find a definite answer and it would seem I'm not the only one.

yop

Del2005 wrote: »

No one doubts that people are winning cars. The question is it a legal raffle and so far everything posted says it isn't, that means that there can be tax implications for the "winners".

They seem to be using the multiple choice question on the entry as a way around it. I read it some where that that question covers a loop hole.

tuxy

yop wrote: »

They seem to be using the multiple choice question on the entry as a way around it. I read it some where that that question covers a loop hole.

tuxy wrote: »

The law changed a long time ago in Britain where they changed it by law from a game of skill to a game of substantial degree of skill. This did not cover NI but in 2013 the law was updated in NI and now it too requires a game of substantial degree of skill.

An example of one of the questions is "What do you use to eat soup? Knife,Fork or Spoon.

Would answering that require a substantial degree of skill?
And I don't mean that sarcastically because they could be covered if legally that was something that required a substantial degree of skill.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

An example of one of the questions is "What do you use to eat soup? Knife,Fork or Spoon.

Would answering that require a substantial degree of skill?
And I don't mean that sarcastically because they could be covered if legally that was something that required a substantial degree of skill.

Or what if you just prefer your soup with a fork? Do you get disqualified for that?

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

Or what if you just prefer your soup with a fork? Do you get disqualified for that?

I think it may have been worded as , what do most people normally eat soup with.
So that angle is covered.

Dr Turk Turkelton

There's a beautiful M4 on it right now.

Dravokivich

tuxy wrote: »

I think it may have been worded as , what do most people normally eat soup with.
So that angle is covered.

I dont know man. Would you consider it eating? I always hear it as more so, having soup, becuase no one knows if you can say you're eating it or drinking it.

Esel

Dravokivich wrote: »

I dont know man. Would you consider it eating? I always hear it as more so, having soup, becuase no one knows if you can say you're eating it or drinking it.

I heard your people took the soup.

Warriors4

Del2005 wrote: »

No one doubts that people are winning cars. The question is it a legal raffle and so far everything posted says it isn't, that means that there can be tax implications for the "winners".

Wasn’t the question

tuxy

Warriors4 wrote: »

Wasn’t the question

As soon as it was was established that people do in fact win cars(first page) then that became the next question.

the_syco

Can someone tell me that if I did win one of the cars up north, would I be able to insure a NI car under my name in Ireland under a RoI insurer, so that I could drive it into Ireland to be VRT'ed?

tuxy wrote: »

Exactly. It looks illegal if you read the legislation.

Could you link to said legislation? Someone linked to something that applied to england earlier in the thread. Didn't see anything about NI.

Scubasteve182

tuxy wrote: »

Exactly. It looks illegal if you read the legislation. But my understanding of it could be completely wrong.
Normally things like this are easy to research but I honestly can't find a definite answer and it would seem I'm not the only one.

How would someone have to pay tax if they paid to take part? Surely this is no different than a win on the Irish lotto which isn't taxable

tuxy

the_syco wrote: »

Can someone tell me that if I did win one of the cars up north, would I be able to insure a NI car under my name in Ireland under a RoI insurer, so that I could drive it into Ireland to be VRT'ed?


Could you link to said legislation? Someone linked to something that applied to england earlier in the thread. Didn't see anything about NI.

If you search you can find this law quoted in many different places

https://marketinglaw.osborneclarke.com/marketing-techniques/northern-ireland-finally-allows-purchase-to-enter-prize-draws/

Prize draws in Northern Ireland

Under the Order, it is unlawful to conduct in Northern Ireland any competition which offers prizes, where success does not depend to a
substantial degree on the exercise of skill. The effect of the Order is also that pure chance prize draws (as opposed to competitions where some effort or skill is needed to win) will only be legal if they are free to enter or provide a genuine alternative free entry route.

Current question is

What would you most commonly drink tea from?

Cup, bottle or glass.

I personally wouldn't consider answering that to be a substantial degree on the exercise of skill

Open to a different take on this, I fully accept that I am misunderstanding it.
It's just I can't find anyone that has a clear answer.

tuxy

Scubasteve182 wrote: »

How would someone have to pay tax if they paid to take part? Surely this is no different than a win on the Irish lotto which isn't taxable

It would seem(again open to correction) this is not a legal lottery or raffle.
So all prises are actually gifts that people would have to pay 33% tax on.

The Irish lotto has a licence to operate. It's not easy to get a licence.

MrMiata

Legit, also fair play to the guy who started it I'd say he's making a pretty penny

Warriors4

the_syco wrote: »

Can someone tell me that if I did win one of the cars up north, would I be able to insure a NI car under my name in Ireland under a RoI insurer, so that I could drive it into Ireland to be VRT'ed?


Could you link to said legislation? Someone linked to something that applied to england earlier in the thread. Didn't see anything about NI.

Some insurers will insure a uk or Ni registered car for 30Days (the time revenue gives to Vrt it)
I quoted a piece of NI legislation I found on google earlier in the thread

Warriors4

tuxy wrote: »

As soon as it was was established that people do in fact win cars(first page) then that became the next question.

The question asked was, is this page real or a scam?
He quoted a Poster who answered the OP’s question to basically tell him that wether it was real or not wasn’t the question asked

ted1

Scubasteve182 wrote: »

How would someone have to pay tax if they paid to take part? Surely this is no different than a win on the Irish lotto which isn't taxable

What’s to stop an employer charging and employee a 5er to entering a competition to win his salary. And he then wins his salary. Do you think he could avoid paying tax on his salary.

This is effectively the same thing