R Kings and other car raffles

bigpink

Have gotten a lot of sponsored posts about this on Facebook
Is it legit?
Seems to have a lot of winners from Limerick

SQ2

Not going into the friend of a friend story, but it would appear to be real

Kevwoody

Totally legit, I know several people who have won cars and other items.

Great prizes and live draws on Facebook almost every day.

kieran.

Kevwoody wrote: »

Totally legit, I know several people who have won cars and other items.

Great prizes and live draws on Facebook almost every day.

Know one person who won a range rover on it.

Kevwoody

kieran. wrote:

Know one person who won a range rover on it.

90% of people who win a car or whatever are tagged on Facebook, a quick look will show all profiles are genuine.

theoneeyedman

Kevwoody wrote: »

Totally legit, I know several people who have won cars and other items.

Great prizes and live draws on Facebook almost every day.

I had the same suspicions as the OP, kept seeing a lot of winners from Co Roscommon where I'm from - the son reckons it's legit though, he knows a lad won a car on it a few weeks ago seemingly.

colm_mcm

Am i right in saying they advertise multiple draws for random cars, but they actually only give a certain amount of them away as they’re all the same draw?

Anyone know which charity they’re affiliated with?

Kevwoody

colm_mcm wrote:

Am i right in saying they advertise multiple draws for random cars, but they actually only give a certain amount of them away as they’re all the same draw?

colm_mcm wrote:

Anyone know which charity they’re affiliated with?

They will advertise a certain car and it will have a countdown timer for a set amount of days for the draw, almost always it will sell out in a few hours, or a day or 2. If this happens, they will have the draw the following day.

On any one day you could have 2 or 3 cars being drawn, along with some smaller prizes, all of which are separate draws with separate tickets.

As I said, everything is very transparent and above board. I too was sceptical until I recognized some of the winners, and then a few friends won.

Carodh

I know a recent winner of a car from Co Clare.

Kevwoody

colm_mcm wrote:

Anyone know which charity they’re affiliated with?

Why would they be affiliated with a charity?

bigpink

Now im getting posts for two other car draws lol.Are they Irish based?

un5byh7sqpd2x0

I won a Ferrari Le Ferrari on it last week :rolleyes:

Toyotafanboi

Was thinking similar lately. I personally know two different people who have legitimately won cars from them.

Seems to be just very successful. Wouldnt be interested personally, €30 or whatever for a 1 in 900 shot of winning some tastelessly modified Caddy van. Plenty of people are though and they seem to sell out quick, which is why I think Kings is so successful vs others trying to replicate it.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I know a girl that won a BMW 420d in December and another one the exact same model and colour in February!

I’ve entered a few times but Unfortunately no luck yet but I was close a few weeks ago. My number was 763 and 764 won a Nissan GTR!

colm_mcm

Kevwoody wrote: »

Why would they be affiliated with a charity?

As far as I know, any raffles which do not have a charitable purpose aren’t legal in Ireland.

There were amendments to the gaming and lotteries act discussed in the Seanad before Christmas but I don’t know if that bit was changed recently.

Darksoul

It's real, a lad has won a scrambler and a red Audi back to back raffles couple of months ago, fair play to him but insane luck.

_Brian

My cousin won a BMW on it.

Toyotafanboi

colm_mcm wrote: »

As far as I know, any raffles which do not have a charitable purpose aren’t legal in Ireland.

There were amendments to the gaming and lotteries act discussed in the Seanad before Christmas but I don’t know if that bit was changed recently.

They are Northern Irish based if that makes a difference? All the games are priced in pound sterling and most prizes are UK reg'd. Just seems to have a large following in the republic.

biko

https://www.mayonews.ie/news/34742-lucky-liam-lands-westport-house

Liam admits that he had felt his luck was in before Christmas, when he won a Mercedes E350 and £2,000 on the R Kings Competitions Facebook page, after he bought a ticket for that draw for just £22.

Eoinbmw

I think you answer a simple question when you enter this some how makes it a competition and not technically a raffle?

ted1

The cars aren’t worth much. They probably get them cheap off trade and raffle them off for a good mark up

Wheety

As far as I know they're legit. I read somewhere that they sell enough tickets to cover cost of car plus profit and that they only buy the car after the draw, so they can't really lose.

Edit to say: I may not be talking about this exact company but a similar car draw one

bigpink

Do they raffle new cars or they all boy racer yokes

Toyotafanboi

ted1 wrote: »

The cars aren’t worth much. They probably get them cheap off trade and raffle them off for a good mark up

To be fair, most of the stuff is high enough value. They've done Escort Cosworths, R35 Skylines, an i8, loads of f10 5 series and new model A6's. Evo's, AE86's etc.

If they do raffle a low value car, there's usually a couple of grand cash or a holiday lumped in.

selectamatic

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I had the same suspicions as the OP, kept seeing a lot of winners from Co Roscommon where I'm from - the son reckons it's legit though, he knows a lad won a car on it a few weeks ago seemingly.

Ya 100% legit.

Quite a few winners from Roscommon lately. There was another rossie purple patch before the Christmas as well. A month or two ago quite a few people from cork were lucky.

The mind tends to note patterns subconsciously hence certain counties coming up a few times in the space of a few weeks sticks out but in reality it is just random.

I personally know 2 people who've won. One of them won an f10 M5.

I've never entered one of the raffles myself though.

Dravokivich

I'd hate to win one and get stuck with VRT!

bigpink

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'd hate to win one and get stuck with VRT!

Oh they all northern cars?

Duke O Smiley

I’m sure I’ve seen them raffle the odd Irish car, but I think most stuff is UK registered. I do wonder if they give the winner the option of cash instead of their car, kinda like what they do on winning streak!

selectamatic

selectamatic wrote: »

Ya 100% legit.

Quite a few winners from Roscommon lately. There was another rossie purple patch before the Christmas as well. A month or two ago quite a few people from cork were lucky.

The mind tends to note patterns subconsciously hence certain counties coming up a few times in the space of a few weeks sticks out but in reality it is just random.

I personally know 2 people who've won. One of them won an f10 M5.

I've never entered one of the raffles myself though.

They may be legit in the sense that the raffle really happens, but afaik they are actually illegal, as you need approval from the District Court to run them for that sort of value (and the value of District Court raffles tops out at 25 or 30k), and should be some element of charity to them.

Makes no odds as there's no real will from the Gardaí or Revenue to prosecute whoever is running them.

Duke O Smiley

Honestly I reckon if they were doing something wrong they wouldn’t have been allowed to get as big as they have gotten.

bigpink

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Honestly I reckon if they were doing something wrong they wouldn’t have been allowed to get as big as they have gotten.

I dont know anything about cars was just wondering when i saw all the sponsored posts

selectamatic

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They may be legit in the sense that the raffle really happens, but afaik they are actually illegal, as you need approval from the District Court to run them for that sort of value (and the value of District Court raffles tops out at 25 or 30k), and should be some element of charity to them.

Makes no odds as there's no real will from the Gardaí or Revenue to prosecute whoever is running them.

They're based in the north though.

Del2005

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Honestly I reckon if they were doing something wrong they wouldn’t have been allowed to get as big as they have gotten.

Plenty of ponzi schemes and boiler rooms got big.

Sometimes it takes authorities a while to catch up with illegal activity, the fact that they're illegal in Ireland but still operating here is a perfect example.

Edit

Looks like they are illegal in the UK also

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/for-the-public/Fundraising-and-promotions/Advertising-and-promoting.aspx

ted1

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

To be fair, most of the stuff is high enough value. They've done Escort Cosworths, R35 Skylines, an i8, loads of f10 5 series and new model A6's. Evo's, AE86's etc.

If they do raffle a low value car, there's usually a couple of grand cash or a holiday lumped in.

They are old things the pick up for cheap through trade our auctions and valet them

selectamatic

selectamatic wrote: »

They're based in the north though.

Might well make a difference but I think UK's betting and licensing laws are stricter than the ones here.

I haven't worked in this area for a long time but I had to look into it years ago. I was asked by a sports club about raffling a house. In the end we couldn't raffle a house as the Court didn't have the power to grant a licence for something of that value and the club didn't want to risk it. We had a long debate with the Clerk (who was on our side to some degree) that if the act didn't strictly prohibit it, could a higher Court grant it etc.

Famously a house was raffled back in the 1980's by Barney Curley and he was prosecuted for holding an illegal raffle. He was fined 5,000 to the poor box, which he (to be fair to him) voluntarily doubled, iirc.

I see house raffles and high end car raffles seem to be more popular these days but the law hasn't been changed (afaik). I don't know of any cases being brought for it though.

Toyotafanboi

ted1 wrote: »

They are old things the pick up for cheap through trade our auctions and valet them

Will you let me know where they are picking up stuff like that on the cheap so?

Wouldnt mind picking up a few cheap trade sale Escort Cossies.

the_syco

https://www.rkingscompetitions.com/about

R Kings Competitions are an Northern Irish business

Del2005 wrote: »

Looks like they are illegal in the UK also

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/for-the-public/Fundraising-and-promotions/Advertising-and-promoting.aspx

From the link you posted;

Lotteries in Great Britain

the_syco

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'd hate to win one and get stuck with VRT!

Regarding a competition for a "Mercedes E220 Sport AMG Line";

Includes £2,000 to put towards VRT, Insurance or just to treat yourself

bigpink

Seems like a clever idea and they are making lots of money

the_syco

Hope it's still going after CORVID; I'd be afraid of winning it whilst the lockdown is in effect.

Duke O Smiley

ted1 wrote: »

They are old things the pick up for cheap through trade our auctions and valet them

The Evo they had recently was bought from Deane Motors

Toyotafanboi

I thought Deane's would be married to that yoke, it was a bit tasteless.

Duke O Smiley

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I thought Deane's would be married to that yoke, it was a bit tasteless.

It was up for 26k or 28k. R.Kings ended up getting it and put it up at £22 for 995 tickets, that’s £21,890 and I’d say they made sure there was a nice tidy profit in it for them at that.

I think R Kings know their target audience very well

Toyotafanboi

They certainly do yeah. Lots of yokes you'd traditionally consider high end 'felt spec. German diesel saloons with big replica wheels, slammed with lip kits. Old Scania trucks and mid 90's agri tractors.

Midnight_EG

The white chaser that went two weeks ago, that was my mates. They're no bull buying, gave an offer and took the car. Whoever it is running the show landed on a gold mine.

bigpink

Was it the first comapny doing it here?

blindside88

They are running a very successful business model, once they don’t get too greedy they’re on to a winner. They sell out so quickly they could realistically be putting 10% profit on each car and still be making a mint. Selling 2-3 cars a day, clearing 4 or 5k a day and not having to stand over any warranty or anything like that.

I was sceptical like some but have known a few winners as well.

tuxy

But it is only a matter of time before they are shutdown.

How have they even survived this long when they ignore UK raffle laws?
Perhaps the UK equivalent of CAB will wait until they make more money then take everything.

Just because someone gets drugs when they pay for drugs doesn't mean all will work out well for the dealer.

ELM327

I believe it's because you have to answer a question when you buy a ticket so technically it is a game of skill and not a raffle.

May also be a loophole, as they are a NI registered company and the UK laws seem to apply to GB only.

Del2005

the_syco wrote: »

https://www.rkingscompetitions.com/about



From the link you posted;

So what's the legislation for Northern Ireland?

tuxy

Del2005 wrote: »

So what's the legislation for Northern Ireland?

Prize draws in Northern Ireland

Under the Order, it is unlawful to conduct in Northern Ireland any competition which offers prizes, where success does not depend to a
substantial degree on the exercise of skill. The effect of the Order is also that pure chance prize draws (as opposed to competitions where some effort or skill is needed to win) will only be legal if they are free to enter or provide a genuine alternative free entry route.

In the current draw they are asking people if you use a knife or spoon to eat soup. Would answering that require a substantial deal of skill?

It's also against facebook rules so I've no idea how it got so big without them noticing. They even run adverts for the raffles.