Go Safe speed vans - essential service.

LIGHTNING

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Average speeds are down too.

Correct.

Let's keep it up and stay within the limits and then we can get the numbers down even more.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm talking about the actual hard shoulder not the off road spots, they of course are some distance in but still not the safest either.....

If one breaks down they are told to get out and wait behind the crash barrier or move up embankment....

Also it's advisable to move past the rear of the car so you won't be hit be debris if your vehicle is hit....

I know, I was making the point that people think straight roads are 100% safe when in reality, it's where the biggest speed and therefore done if the worst accidents happen

Dravokivich

LIGHTNING wrote: »

News flash, cars are getting safer every year. Average speeds are down too.

Average stats very rarely tell you much. I drive a lot over 80km/h. But whenever I'm checking my stats, average speed is 30-35km/h. If any true weight is to be given to that stat, it should suggest its utterly pointless to speed, regardless of the safety debate.

Man with a plan

Plenty of highhorse brigade nonsense on this thread and assumptions left right and centre.
Nowhere did I say I was speeding myself or over the speed limit or that I ever drive over the speed limit.
I travel this stretch of road for years and you never see them as the stretch is usually heavy with traffic.
The second the traffic dies down because the current pandemic they are out like flies around sh1te.

Yes I am not a fan of speed camera vans but thats not the point I'm trying to make here.
Thread completely derailed from the original point I was trying to make that during a global pandemic these gosafe vans are not a total absolute essential service.

Every possible measure should be taken to keep as many people home as possible.
These people are not home or self isolating as they are taking bus\train\luas to depot to drop off and pick
up the van. If they are in a car they need to get petrol. Again human interaction.
Then you have the chain from then on as in the fines themselves.
The fines need to be processed. People need to come to work to print the fines\ put them in envelopes\ work franking machines.
Bag and process the fines for collection. More needless human interaction.
The point I'm trying to make is that they could honestly pi$$ of for a few weeks and really help save lives as they constantly remind us of.

punisher5112

With the no traffic and no passenger business when driving through the city where it's 30km/h I'm been constantly passed by others....

bazz26

Man with a plan wrote: »

Plenty of highhorse brigade nonsense on this thread and assumptions left right and centre.
Nowhere did I say I was speeding myself or over the speed limit or that I ever drive over the speed limit.
I travel this stretch of road for years and you never see them as the stretch is usually heavy with traffic.
The second the traffic dies down because the current pandemic they are out like flies around sh1te.

Yes I am not a fan of speed camera vans but thats not the point I'm trying to make here.
Thread completely derailed from the original point I was trying to make that during a global pandemic these gosafe vans are not a total absolute essential service.

Every possible measure should be taken to keep as many people home as possible.
These people are not home or self isolating as they are taking bus\train\luas to depot to drop off and pick
up the van. If they are in a car they need to get petrol. Again human interaction.
Then you have the chain from then on as in the fines themselves.
The fines need to be processed. People need to come to work to print the fines\ put them in envelopes\ work franking machines.
Bag and process the fines for collection. More needless human interaction.
The point I'm trying to make is that they could honestly pi$$ of for a few weeks and really help save lives as they constantly remind us of.

What century are you living in? Most of that stuff is automated and requires very little human interaction these days.

Also why only your focus on GoSafe vans, what about traffic wardens or the likes? Should ignorant motorists be allowed park anyway or anywhere they like just because there is a health crisis? After all the fines are processed similarly. Sure lets just turn our back on civil disobedience altogether then.

Seems to me you have a chip on your shoulder around GoSafe vans for whatever reason and are annoyed this thread didn't turn out the way you imagined it would.

brightspark

IF they were to withdraw the GoSafe vans for the next couple of months you can be certain that more idiots will speed, resulting in more accidents, needing more hospital places at a time when we can least afford it.

They should implement an immediate doubling of points and fines.

Man with a plan

Man with a plan wrote: »

Plenty of highhorse brigade nonsense on this thread and assumptions left right and centre.
Nowhere did I say I was speeding myself or over the speed limit or that I ever drive over the speed limit.
I travel this stretch of road for years and you never see them as the stretch is usually heavy with traffic.
The second the traffic dies down because the current pandemic they are out like flies around sh1te.

Yes I am not a fan of speed camera vans but thats not the point I'm trying to make here.
Thread completely derailed from the original point I was trying to make that during a global pandemic these gosafe vans are not a total absolute essential service.

Every possible measure should be taken to keep as many people home as possible.
These people are not home or self isolating as they are taking bus\train\luas to depot to drop off and pick
up the van. If they are in a car they need to get petrol. Again human interaction.
Then you have the chain from then on as in the fines themselves.
The fines need to be processed. People need to come to work to print the fines\ put them in envelopes\ work franking machines.
Bag and process the fines for collection. More needless human interaction.
The point I'm trying to make is that they could honestly pi$$ of for a few weeks and really help save lives as they constantly remind us of.

Where are you going that you saw this van? Are you an emergency / essential service?

Presumable the only people on the roads are performing essential tasks so the Vans won't catch anyone nor do the operators interact with anyone else.

It's not a computer virus'!

LIGHTNING

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Thanks for the great advice!

Welcome.

galwaytt

Stark wrote: »

Safer for the person behind the wheel. Appalling number of pedestrians killed in recent weeks.

Not on the motorways, where there's now a proliferation of cameras.

galwaytt

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Right, can we put this to bed using very easily found online information? Considering the ridiculous personal opinion being used as 'facts' I doubt it but anyway...


"Safety cameras operate in areas where there is a history of speed related collisions"

"Road deaths have decreased from 415 in 2000 to 148 in 2019"

"All zones are available on the Garda website and available for GPS Navigation providers such as Garmin, TomTom, Google Maps or Waze to download."

"A further extensive analysis of collisions on the road network where speed was a contributory factor has been completed. The following sections of road, as set out on the map, were identified as having a significant proportion of collisions whereby, in the opinion of the investigating Garda, a safe speed was exceeded"

"An Garda Síochána appeals to all road users, in particular motorists, to familiarise themselves with these sections of the road network"

(https://www.garda.ie/en/Roads-Policing/Safety-Cameras/)

Here's the actual map for downloading: https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html

Here's a PDF of the roads and the incidents that have occurred: https://www.garda.ie/en/roads-policing/safety-cameras/all-roads-including-road-names1.pdf

There's more on the website. The arguments here are pathetic, the evidence against your argument is obvious. Your speeding, your being a dope that could but didn't bother looking up the information it downloading it and you weren't paying enough attention at the time to see a large white van with a very clear logo and name written on it well in advance.

Stop being a baby, grow up and take responsibility.

OK, I'll bite, but briefly.

Yes, lots of info there, and all good to have. But some of it also reinforces some of the points made by various people.

For instance, the R347 near my house has had a camera on it for 10 years. Not one single accident, let alone fatality in that locale. I've lived there 23 years, and the only accidents were pre-motorway, which opened in 2009 - a year before the cameras arrived.

Ah yes, the good old 'speed kills' mantra. Even you're using RSA-speak as 'contributing factor' does not mean cause. Huge difference. In RSA-speak they also use the phrase 'speeding' as 'contributing' where the legal posted limit was NOT broken, but may have been a factor (fair enough) - but they use the 'whole' of that 'speeding' cohort to justify a policy to pursue what is in fact a tiny part of the issue.

And yes, over time we will get to know the new locations and be more aware, and adjust accordingly, like the last times - and the income will fall again....and they'll rearrange the musical chairs again. C'est la vie etc.

And yes the van is conspicuously marked.
But then parked so as to obscure - deliberately. Remind me to pull some dashcam footage sometime.

And it absolutely is all about money. For someone: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/speed-camera-contract-worth-115m-set-to-be-renewed-with-gosafe-1.2745263

Emmersonn

Lucky that animals are immune to Covid-19 as we would see many many dead high horses on this thread. :rolleyes:

galwaytt

galwaytt wrote: »

OK, I'll bite, but briefly.

Yes, lots of info there, and all good to have. But some of it also reinforces some of the points made by various people.

For instance, the R347 near my house has had a camera on it for 10 years. Not one single accident, let alone fatality in that locale. I've lived there 23 years, and the only accidents were pre-motorway, which opened in 2009 - a year before the cameras arrived.

Ah yes, the good old 'speed kills' mantra. Even you're using RSA-speak as 'contributing factor' does not mean cause. Huge difference. In RSA-speak they also use the phrase 'speeding' as 'contributing' where the legal posted limit was NOT broken, but may have been a factor (fair enough) - but they use the 'whole' of that 'speeding' cohort to justify a policy to pursue what is in fact a tiny part of the issue.

And yes, over time we will get to know the new locations and be more aware, and adjust accordingly, like the last times - and the income will fall again....and they'll rearrange the musical chairs again. C'est la vie etc.

And yes the van is conspicuously marked.
But then parked so as to obscure - deliberately. Remind me to pull some dashcam footage sometime.

And it absolutely is all about money. For someone: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/speed-camera-contract-worth-115m-set-to-be-renewed-with-gosafe-1.2745263

Apologies, I don't realise statistics backed by third party evidence would be ignored and then replaced with personal anecdotes.

Edited to add: Actually I just looked at the Galway sheet which you ignored. There's been 7 collisions on the r347 in recent years which were considered, based on the professional opinion of the investigator, to have been caused or partially caused by excess speed. Out of the 7, 3 were deemed serious ie someone was badly injured.

So, your personal opinion that there has been no accidents is simple bull**** and further proof that people's opinions don't mean jack because the cold hard statistics show different.

You live there but go to work, socialise and sleep. You do not know everything that happens there. I don't know everything that happens in my estate and I work in the local Garda station!

Wanderer19

Deleted User wrote: »

am I the only one to read that (dj) name as huge dick? too much isolation I guess:rolleyes:

Nope, thought it was just me

Wishbone Ash

PukkaStukka wrote: »

I see both sides of the argument here, but this is my own experience:

I live near Portrane in Co Dublin. The road out of here is 60kmh and is now being patrolled by a GoSafe van. This road doesn't have a fatality record, or one for accidents, and speed adherence that's no worse than anywhere else with a smallish local population.

Two miles away we have the Hearse Rd connecting Donabate to Swords & the M1. This road is busy, has an 80kmh speed limit and a notorious road safety record with a number of fatalities and injuries, particularly at one bad bend. The usual remedies like signage has made no difference. The speed limit hasn't been dropped despite it being suggested, nor are there GoSafe vans or Gardai to encourage slower speeds. This is an ongoing safety situation that's crying out for intervention which isn't forthcoming.

Travel a further three miles to Dublin Airport, you've 1km of dead straight motorway linking the airport to the M1. It's speed limit is 60kmh. It has no serious safety issues yet is heavily patrolled by both Gardai and GoSafe for no apparent reason to me other than revenue generation and I find that a scandal.....

The Portrane Road has lots of walkers, runners and cyclists which is probably why it's a 60km/h zone. It was much worse before the ramps were installed.

Meanwhile on the Hearse Road, you'll rarely see a pedestrian. I'd say I see about one person per year walking along there.

The limit on the airport section was lowered because of numerous accidents caused by multiple lane changes. Some motorists have to cross 3 lanes in the space of a few hundred meters.