Go Safe speed vans - essential service.

Man with a plan

Passed one this morning.

Strategically placed as usual on a long empty stretch of road in the city.
Completely shooting fish in a barrel as roads empty on this normally busy stretch of road.
I assumed in the current climate that every effort would be made to keep staff from all non essential services at home in there houses to stop the spread but obviously these guys are an essential service :rolleyes: :pac::pac::pac:

coylemj

The traffic program (4 - 7 p.m., DJ is Hugh Hick) on Dublin City FM yesterday was pleading with people to not use empty roads as an excuse to drive like idiots exceeding the speed limits. He said that he was responding to reports from listeners.

So are speed vans an 'essential' service. As long as there are morons out there who treat empty roads as race tracks, yes.

REXER

They are effectively self isolating and yes if they limit accidents they are definitely essential services limiting the use of emergency services and hospitals. We need more of them on the roads at the moment!

punisher5112

More morons on the road then ever, these vans don't catch these tools though....

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

The traffic program (4 - 7 p.m., DJ is Hugh Hick) on Dublin City FM yesterday was pleading with people to not use empty roads as an excuse to drive like idiots exceeding the speed limits. He said that he was responding to reports from listeners.

So are speed vans an 'essential' service. As long as there are morons out there who treat empty roads as race tracks, yes.

am I the only one to read that (dj) name as huge dick? too much isolation I guess:rolleyes:

Man with a plan

REXER wrote: »

They are effectively self isolating and yes if they limit accidents they are definitely essential services limiting the use of emergency services and hospitals. We need more of them on the roads at the moment!

Not sure how they are self isolating ?
They hardly drive the van home after a shift :pac:
Obviously they drive to the depot to pick up the van where other staff and drivers are. Maybe they have their lunch in the van also ? I honestly don't know ? Do they take a bus or luas to work ? If so they are again adding to the issue. If not then their cars will be needing petrol which will mean a trip to petrol station again more human interaction.

punisher5112

I'm surprised service stations aren't making customers use the hatch and keep people out of the shops ...

mikeecho

Technically the GoSafe vans are a Garda service (traffic policing).. even if it a service that is contracted out.

coylemj

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm surprised service stations aren't making customers use the hatch and keep people out of the shops ...

Because customers spend more when you let them into the shop. A lot of them couldn't survive on the margin they make on fuel. And if you have to go to a hatch, you will buy solely on price and go to the guy who's cheapest in your area.

bazz26

I giggle at these threads, its always someone else's fault no matter what.

Some people think that because there is national crisis, that they are entitled to some sort of a free pass around certain laws and regulations. They then grasp at straws by claiming it's a BS health and safety concern, shooting fish in a barrel, blah, blah. The speed limits on our roads are the same today as they were 2 months ago, as are the laws governing them. If you choose to break the speed limit then be prepared to take the punishment if caught otherwise don't be the fish.

REXER

Man with a plan wrote: »

Not sure how they are self isolating ?
They hardly drive the van home after a shift :pac:
Obviously they drive to the depot to pick up the van where other staff and drivers are. Maybe they have their lunch in the van also ? I honestly don't know ? Do they take a bus or luas to work ? If so they are again adding to the issue. If not then their cars will be needing petrol which will mean a trip to petrol station again more human interaction.

So you want the road all to yourself? They are in the vans, on their own when they are set up to "Shooting fish in a barrel" and who knows, possibly they do have their meals with them. All the rest of your post is exactly what you need when using your own transport. Just follow the rules, drive sensibly, take care on the roads and hopefully you won't be an additional burden on a medical system that is rapidly being overwhelmed.

Please stay safe out there on the roads and have a nice day!

Man with a plan

bazz26 wrote: »

I giggle at these threads, its always someone else's fault no matter what.

Some people think that because there is national crisis, that they are entitled to some sort of a free pass around certain laws and regulations. They then grasp at straws by claiming it's a BS health and safety concern, shooting fish in a barrel, blah, blah. The speed limits on our roads are the same today as they were 2 months ago, as are the laws governing them. If you choose to break the speed limit then be prepared to take the punishment if caught otherwise don't be the fish.

For what its worth I didn't get done as I had just came around a corner onto the road. While waiting at the traffic lights I saw the odd car pass by which would have passed in its path. Probably just the over the limit the odd one or two. The sad irony is these people who probably got done are more than likely the front line staff going to work keeping the country going during this sh!tstorm.

bazz26

To be honest, it sounds like your just making that assertion to support your rant @ GoSafe vans.

PukkaStukka

How many road fatalities have there been since the emergency measures were introduced,?

BailMeOut

PukkaStukka wrote: »

How many road fatalities have there been since the emergency measures were introduced,?

Numbers of deaths on Irish roads soar despite coronavirus restrictions

punisher5112

Fools driving like absolute maniacs....

Getting tail gated at any time of the morning or evening or night.....

Happening at 430am or 12pm... Fcuking absolute as# hats.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

no one seems to have copped that the lads have super sniper speed cams now , and can you get from anywhere

i spotted one outside new ross hiding behind a bridge pillar , looked like a construction worker til i got closer .

its game over , the golden age of pushing it a bit is history

punisher5112

Nancy Green Shovel wrote: »

no one seems to have copped that the lads have super sniper speed cams now , and can you get from anywhere

i spotted one outside new ross hiding behind a bridge pillar , looked like a construction worker til i got closer .

its game over , the golden age of pushing it a bit is history

Yeah but the van will still be hiding around the corner

SmartinMartin

Man with a plan wrote: »

For what its worth I didn't get done as I had just came around a corner onto the road. While waiting at the traffic lights I saw the odd car pass by which would have passed in its path. Probably just the over the limit the odd one or two. The sad irony is these people who probably got done are more than likely the front line staff going to work keeping the country going during this sh!tstorm.

So did you flash them a warning?

Mc Love

bazz26 wrote: »

I giggle at these threads, its always someone else's fault no matter what.

Some people think that because there is national crisis, that they are entitled to some sort of a free pass around certain laws and regulations. They then grasp at straws by claiming it's a BS health and safety concern, shooting fish in a barrel, blah, blah. The speed limits on our roads are the same today as they were 2 months ago, as are the laws governing them. If you choose to break the speed limit then be prepared to take the punishment if caught otherwise don't be the fish.

Same people giving out about there being traffic wardens in the city today (Limerick)

galwaytt

.....there was light before, and even less now, that 'speeding' is anything other than A component in the statistics. And a minor one at that.

I suggest the current situation where over 65s are singled out, along with 'leisure driving' and by extension not on 'everyday routes' that one of the elephants in the room is the appalling condition of those roads.

Poor surfaces, non-existent - and even where present - completely ineffectual road markings and the absence of cats eye's all combine to make driving on those a challenge. And you'll get accidents.

I'd be very interested in the actual data on this latest tranche of accidents.

Del2005

galwaytt wrote: »

.....there was light before, and even less now, that 'speeding' is anything other than A component in the statistics. And a minor one at that.

I suggest the current situation where over 65s are singled out, along with 'leisure driving' and by extension not on 'everyday routes' that one of the elephants in the room is the appalling condition of those roads.

Poor surfaces, non-existent - and even where present - completely ineffectual road markings and the absence of cats eye's all combine to make driving on those a challenge. And you'll get accidents.

I'd be very interested in the actual data on this latest tranche of accidents.

Drive to the conditions, if you know the roads are crap don't drive too fast.

Man with a plan

Man with a plan wrote: »

Passed one this morning.

Strategically placed as usual on a long empty stretch of road in the city.
Completely shooting fish in a barrel as roads empty on this normally busy stretch of road.
I assumed in the current climate that every effort would be made to keep staff from all non essential services at home in there houses to stop the spread but obviously these guys are an essential service :rolleyes: :pac::pac::pac:

A, so a long road that allowed for a nicer build up of speed to 'see what she's got'

B, a nice long visible road so you could see the marked up van well in advance.

C, a nice long road where you were pre warned the can would be positioned

D, the operator is alone, so isolated.

E, positions are picked in advance having identified areas where fatal collisions have occurred thus targeting dangerous areas and allowing those positions to be advertised in advance

F, the service does not make enough to cover the cost

G, if the van was on a bend it would be causing accidents and probable fatalities not preventing them.

You are obviously one of those drivers that considers themselves to be better than the rest and therefore shouldn't need to comply with the rules and is annoyed when penalized.

LIGHTNING

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Cant wait to see how the RSA spins that into speeding kills :pac:

Less cars on road means less congestion and more people speeding.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

Del2005

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

A, so a long road that allowed for a nicer build up of speed to 'see what she's got'

B, a nice long visible road so you could see the marked up van well in advance.

C, a nice long road where you were pre warned the can would be positioned

D, the operator is alone, so isolated.

E, positions are picked in advance having identified areas where fatal collisions have occurred thus targeting dangerous areas and allowing those positions to be advertised in advance

F, the service does not make enough to cover the cost

G, if the van was on a bend it would be causing accidents and probable fatalities not preventing them.

You are obviously one of those drivers that considers themselves to be better than the rest and therefore shouldn't need to comply with the rules and is annoyed when penalized.

They aren't' where fatalities occurred on all roads. Beside me there's been a few fatalities over the years yet the Go Safe van is in none of these locations, it's parked off the road where there's never been a fatality and it's hard to see.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

They aren't' where fatalities occurred on all roads. Beside me there's been a few fatalities over the years yet the Go Safe van is in none of these locations, it's parked off the road where there's never been a fatality and it's hard to see.

It may have changed but that was very much the policy last time I looked. I doubt you can remember all the fatalities but it's all on the website anyway

And they can't park in areas that will cause more fatalities as a result of their presence ie bends not is there enough of them to cover all the spots all the time.

Del2005

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

It may have changed but that was very much the policy last time I looked. I doubt you can remember all the fatalities but it's all on the website anyway

And they can't park in areas that will cause more fatalities as a result of their presence ie bends not is there enough of them to cover all the spots all the time.

I know where they were because the memorials are still there. The occured on dual carriageways and other open roads, no memorials where the speed van parks.

Man with a plan

Man with a plan wrote: »

Passed one this morning.

Strategically placed as usual on a long empty stretch of road in the city.
Completely shooting fish in a barrel as roads empty on this normally busy stretch of road.
I assumed in the current climate that every effort would be made to keep staff from all non essential services at home in there houses to stop the spread but obviously these guys are an essential service :rolleyes: :pac::pac::pac:

If everyone knows the speed limit then they should be catching 0 people every day.

Fish in a barrel my hole.

Dravokivich

Del2005 wrote: »

I know where they were because the memorials are still there. The occured on dual carriageways and other open roads, no memorials where the speed van parks.

You arent permitted to put memorials up anymore.

PsychoPete

Don't drive over the speed limit and you won't have to worry about been caught, pretty simple

Leonard Hofstadter

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Cant wait to see how the RSA spins that into speeding kills :pac:

Exactly, most of the deaths are with the over 65s, not exactly an age category noted for driving over the speed limit.

It won't stop the RSA's propaganda about 'speed kills', though.

trellheim

sorry I saw some muppet on Garda twitter get done for 160+ at blackchurch on the N7, yes they are an essential service

PukkaStukka

I see both sides of the argument here, but this is my own experience:

I live near Portrane in Co Dublin. The road out of here is 60kmh and is now being patrolled by a GoSafe van. This road doesn't have a fatality record, or one for accidents, and speed adherence that's no worse than anywhere else with a smallish local population.

Two miles away we have the Hearse Rd connecting Donabate to Swords & the M1. This road is busy, has an 80kmh speed limit and a notorious road safety record with a number of fatalities and injuries, particularly at one bad bend. The usual remedies like signage has made no difference. The speed limit hasn't been dropped despite it being suggested, nor are there GoSafe vans or Gardai to encourage slower speeds. This is an ongoing safety situation that's crying out for intervention which isn't forthcoming.

Travel a further three miles to Dublin Airport, you've 1km of dead straight motorway linking the airport to the M1. It's speed limit is 60kmh. It has no serious safety issues yet is heavily patrolled by both Gardai and GoSafe for no apparent reason to me other than revenue generation and I find that a scandal.

Everyone here supports road safety and nobody condones dangerous speeds. At the same time, everyone can see examples like I've given here where there are clear inconsistencies of approach when it comes to safety, and unfortunately, revenue generation that's conducted in the guise of safety.

Salary Negotiator

The “revenue generating” argument doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny, Go-Safe costs more than it generates.

It’s a complete red herring to say enforcement is about generating revenue.

punisher5112

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

The “revenue generating” argument doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny, Go-Safe costs more than it generates.

It’s a complete red herring to say enforcement is about generating revenue.

But it's making a private individual a fortune.....

Salary Negotiator

punisher5112 wrote: »

But it's making a private individual a fortune.....

Who gets paid the same regardless of the number of detections.

AFAIK the SLAs are based on enforcement and surveying hours with the locations picked based on previous serious collisions (used to be fatal but the criteria were extended to include non-fatal serious collisions).

The contract is up for renewal next year too.

MrMusician18

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm surprised service stations aren't making customers use the hatch and keep people out of the shops ...

They are at my local station.

GoSafe are absolutely essential. I have in a very urban areas and the amount of excessive speeding (well over 100km/h) in our 50 zone is frightening. The roads are devoid of traffic and there are some using it as an opportunity to open the throttle.

punisher5112

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They are at my local station.

GoSafe are absolutely essential. I have in a very urban areas and the amount of excessive speeding (well over 100km/h) in our 50 zone is frightening. The roads are devoid of traffic and there are some using it as an opportunity to open the throttle.

Enforcement is key.....

Better Garda presence and speed limits that are suitable to roads....

Many roads I drive where it's 50km/h and there is no housing or anything on them and could easily and safely be 60km/h.

Salary Negotiator

punisher5112 wrote: »

Enforcement is key.....

Complains about enforcement.

Padraig Mor

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

It may have changed but that was very much the policy last time I looked. I doubt you can remember all the fatalities but it's all on the website anyway

And they can't park in areas that will cause more fatalities as a result of their presence ie bends not is there enough of them to cover all the spots all the time.

They changed recently from roads with a history of fatal crashes (and a sometimes tenuous link to speeding) to 'roads with lots of crashes' or similar. Complete bull of course, just going for easy pickings to keep the numbers up. e.g. here in Cork IIRC the top two roads for crashes are the N8 between Dunkettle and the N40 ring road, and these have been added in (or near) the entirety to the speed van list, complete with new laybys constructed on the N40. These are the two most heavily trafficked roads in Cork - of course they'll have the most crashes! And numbers of crashes in a BS metric in this case - I drive these roads daily and can tell you that the large majority of crashes (which are rarely serious) happen in the morning and evening rush hours - precisely when the traffic is moving at its slowest - these are mostly fender benders. Yet no doubt the speed vans will be parked up at quiet times on the roads - easy pickings at times when there is little history of crashes, once again proving that the RSA, Gardai etc have little interest in enforcing actual road safety, only in optics, and the pursuit of easy figures to make it look like they're doing something to improve safety, when in reality they're not.

PukkaStukka

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

The “revenue generating” argument doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny,

They how do you explain vigorous enforcement like the 60k zone to the Airport when areas closer to me that are manifestly more dangerous are not monitored.

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Go-Safe costs more than it generates.

Source?

Del2005

Dravokivich wrote: »

You arent permitted to put memorials up anymore.

You can tell the relatives as you pull them down, it's usually a teddy a picture and some flowers left at the location.

jmayo

punisher5112 wrote: »

Fools driving like absolute maniacs....

Getting tail gated at any time of the morning or evening or night.....

Happening at 430am or 12pm... Fcuking absolute as# hats.

And whatabout the numpties who have nothing better to do these days, but go for a nice leisurely drive out in the countryside and are doddling along at 30mph in a 50mph zone ?

Some of us still have work to get to, now in middle of day due to looking after kids for part of it.

BTW it is a very necessary work linked to products that might keep you alive some day.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

E, positions are picked in advance having identified areas where fatal collisions have occurred thus targeting dangerous areas and allowing those positions to be advertised in advance

.

That is the biggest load of bullshyte that is propogated about the place to try condone the revenue gathering exercise and the lack of investment in fixing shyte roads.

I can count numerous areas where camera vans, Garda cars are placed which are not anywhere near the areas where there are real dangerous roads that people have lost their lives on.
And yes they can't place camera vans there because they have never bothered trying to fix the inherent dangerous issues with those roads.

It is the same thing as to why you have Garda cars hiding out at 11am or 3pm on a fine day, but are nowhere to be seen at pub closing times or when tanked up young wans are on their way to nightclubs or parties.

It would cost too much to have proper patrolling at that time of night.
And besides it is easier, cheaper and more profitable to catch someone in the middle of the day.
When do a lot of accidents happen?
Is it 11am, 3pm or maybe late night or early morning ?

The ultimate example I have seen of this cynical attitude was seeing Garda van setup on N4 Mullingar bypass the morning of big Mayo match in Croker.
It was setup around bend on dual carriageway, the first bit of dual carriage way that anyone heading east would have come across.

Was it there any other Sunday morning?
Was it there late any Sunday night ?
Was it fook.

Del2005

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

The “revenue generating” argument doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny, Go-Safe costs more than it generates.

It’s a complete red herring to say enforcement is about generating revenue.

Surely a speed reduction initiative that doesn't make any money is doing its job if it doesn't catch anyone.

I've zero problem with speed enforcement. The problem is that they aren't doing it in the dangerous locations. There is always speed checks on the N4 between the M50 and N4 and people rarely speed on this 3 lane road with no junctions yet go into any housing estate nearby, where the limit is 30, and see how many people exceed the limit. Have you seen a speed check outside of a school when the 30 limit is active?

Salary Negotiator

PukkaStukka wrote: »

They how do you explain vigorous enforcement like the 60k zone to the Airport when areas closer to me that are manifestly more dangerous are not monitored.



Source?

Here you go.

Del2005 wrote: »

Surely a speed reduction initiative that doesn't make any money is doing its job if it doesn't catch anyone.

I think that's the argument put forward, that the aim is reduce speed not catch motorists.

Spook_ie

PukkaStukka wrote: »

I see both sides of the argument here, but this is my own experience:

I live near Portrane in Co Dublin. The road out of here is 60kmh and is now being patrolled by a GoSafe van. This road doesn't have a fatality record, or one for accidents, and speed adherence that's no worse than anywhere else with a smallish local population.

Two miles away we have the Hearse Rd connecting Donabate to Swords & the M1. This road is busy, has an 80kmh speed limit and a notorious road safety record with a number of fatalities and injuries, particularly at one bad bend. The usual remedies like signage has made no difference. The speed limit hasn't been dropped despite it being suggested, nor are there GoSafe vans or Gardai to encourage slower speeds. This is an ongoing safety situation that's crying out for intervention which isn't forthcoming.

Travel a further three miles to Dublin Airport, you've 1km of dead straight motorway linking the airport to the M1. It's speed limit is 60kmh. It has no serious safety issues yet is heavily patrolled by both Gardai and GoSafe for no apparent reason to me other than revenue generation and I find that a scandal.

Everyone here supports road safety and nobody condones dangerous speeds. At the same time, everyone can see examples like I've given here where there are clear inconsistencies of approach when it comes to safety, and unfortunately, revenue generation that's conducted in the guise of safety.

PukkaStukka wrote: »

They how do you explain vigorous enforcement like the 60k zone to the Airport when areas closer to me that are manifestly more dangerous are not monitored.



Source?

I assume you're referring to the link road between the motorway and the airport roundabout, if so then that 60kph limit is essential and should be more enforced. Trying to get from the lane off the motorway southbound, round the roundabout, across to the left hand lane to head towards ALSAA and Santry without a 60 limit would be suicidal. It's bad enough as it is!

PukkaStukka

Spook_ie wrote: »

I assume you're referring to the link road between the motorway and the airport roundabout, if so then that 60kph limit is essential and should be more enforced. Trying to get from the lane off the motorway southbound, round the roundabout, across to the left hand lane to head towards ALSAA and Santry without a 60 limit would be suicidal. It's bad enough as it is!

No It's the other side heading away from airport. The side towards the airport I agree with you 100% - trying to cross 4 lanes is a tall order

trellheim

you'll always get the "ah its flash for cash the're all the same tis all about their quota " brigade ... sorry doesnt wash like I said if they are catching the 160 nutters on the N7 more power to their elbow, sure they will get lots of business but you know what I don't care.

Sonics2k

Here's a great way to stop seeing so many Go Safe speed vans on the road.

Stop being a twat and speeding down the road. I've been driving near 20 years and not once gotten a speeding ticket because I'm not a selfish gob****e.

I've had jobs as a Regional Manager for a good few companies and will rack up tens of thousands of kilometers in a few months and yet still gotten no speeding tickets, it's not hard.

kirving

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

The “revenue generating” argument doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny, Go-Safe costs more than it generates.

It’s a complete red herring to say enforcement is about generating revenue.

Equally, it's a complete red herring to use the value of the contract to argue against the contention that they're revenue generating.

If you're going to use that justification, then GoSafe are actively incitivised to catch as many motorists as possible.

In order to remain "loss making", catching more people means the government would have to pay them more money on contract renewal.

punisher5112

jmayo wrote: »

And whatabout the numpties who have nothing better to do these days, but go for a nice leisurely drive out in the countryside and are doddling along at 30mph in a 50mph zone ?

Some of us still have work to get to, now in middle of day due to looking after kids for part of it.

BTW it is a very necessary work linked to products that might keep you alive some day.




That is the biggest load of bullshyte that is propogated about the place to try condone the revenue gathering exercise and the lack of investment in fixing shyte roads.

I can count numerous areas where camera vans, Garda cars are placed which are not anywhere near the areas where there are real dangerous roads that people have lost their lives on.
And yes they can't place camera vans there because they have never bothered trying to fix the inherent dangerous issues with those roads.

It is the same thing as to why you have Garda cars hiding out at 11am or 3pm on a fine day, but are nowhere to be seen at pub closing times or when tanked up young wans are on their way to nightclubs or parties.

It would cost too much to have proper patrolling at that time of night.
And besides it is easier, cheaper and more profitable to catch someone in the middle of the day.
When do a lot of accidents happen?
Is it 11am, 3pm or maybe late night or early morning ?

The ultimate example I have seen of this cynical attitude was seeing Garda van setup on N4 Mullingar bypass the morning of big Mayo match in Croker.
It was setup around bend on dual carriageway, the first bit of dual carriage way that anyone heading east would have come across.

Was it there any other Sunday morning?
Was it there late any Sunday night ?
Was it fook.

What are you on about in all these cases I've had, I'm over the speed limit not going to lie and in the middle of an overtake....

As soon as I overtake I move back in....

It has nothing to do with people running services....