"Everyday Racism"

Lefty Bicek

Sarcozies wrote: »

Not to mention that our two biggest asylum claims come from Georgia and Albania! How this stuff gets past the lips of a couple of people at most is beyond me.

As good a time as any to remember the words of the Georgian ambassador to Ireland, last November...

He welcomed recognition of Georgia as a safe country by Ireland and more than a dozen other EU member states.

"There are no political circumstances for a Georgian to seek asylum in any third country.

"One of the reasons is the recognition of 15 EU members of country of safe origin.

"To my knowledge the majority of asylum seekers are not granted asylum due to the groundless basis of their application," he said.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ambassador-says-that-georgia-has-eu-status-of-safe-country-38657821.html

Gatling

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can someone get direct provision regardless of their own financial situation?

Is there a means test anywhere before they are given the free accommodation paid for by public funds?

Yes and no .

It's widely believed many in da actually work cash in hand or run businesses outside of the center's

Fred Cryton

Lads, sorry to break up the weep fest over the (wrongful) killing of George Flyod. But as a big believer in personal responsibility and facing the world as it is, rather than how you'd like it to be, let me introduce some relevant stats on race and crime in the US.

• According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans make up 12% of the US population but accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2000

• According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery.

• According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

Would be fantastic to hear some Blacks take personal and community responsibility along the lines of..."our community needs to take a long hard look at ourselves and make every effort to change these crime stats"....but we don't get it. Instead we get the usual victimhood drivel.

No-one deserves to be killed in police custody, and it's fine to protest this, but the issue i have is with the subsequent victimhood weepfest, as well as the attempt to paint every institution as racist, while conveniently ignoring the crime statistics. And the child-like attempt to deflect away any personal or group responsibility.

The final point i'd make is there are many parallels between the US black population and our very own welfare class in it's complete inability to take any responsibility for anything.

Gatling

Another race thread .

FVP3

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

White Privilege is the reworked concept of Original Sin for white people, merely being born white makes you guilty and a sinner. Something you cannot wash off.

Progressives are basically Religious puritans, fanatics who have simply traded (insert) religion for the religion of progressivism. Everything about progressivism reeks of religious fanaticism. It in fact proves that for many the religious instinct is inherent and if one religion dies off then it will be followed with another and the zeal in which it is pursued will mirror exactly that of their ancestors.

Its an original sin for all "whites" regardless of their actual history. In a few weeks and actual supremacist group will march in the northern part of this island and the northern part of the neighbouring island, to general silence from our beloved neighbours and general applause down here.

(I suppose if we all have white privilege then northern ireland was really a story about the mistreatment of blacks, if you think about it.)

Mad_maxx

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Lads, sorry to break up the weep fest over the (wrongful) killing of George Flyod. But as a big believer in personal responsibility and facing the world as it is, rather than how you'd like it to be, let me introduce some relevant stats on race and crime in the US.

• According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans make up 12% of the US population but accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2000

• According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery.

• According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

Would be fantastic to hear some Blacks take personal and community responsibility along the lines of..."our community needs to take a long hard look at ourselves and make every effort to change these crime stats"....but we don't get it. Instead we get the usual victimhood drivel.

No-one deserves to be killed in police custody, and it's fine to protest this, but the issue i have is with the subsequent victimhood weepfest, as well as the attempt to paint every white institution as racist, while conveniently ignoring the crime statistics. And the child-like attempt to deflect away any personal or group responsibility.

The final point i'd make is there are many parallels between the US black population and our very own welfare class in it's complete inability to take any responsibility for anything.

its not a fair comparison , the usa is a deeply unequal society with no welfare state akin to western europe never mind the ultra generous one we have in ireland

there are many legacy issues which contribute to the problems in black america , crime amongst black americans is obviously higher than the average but its small compared to the crime rates amongst the traveller community here , a community who have no hurdles and help if they want to take it

im not saying the issue of single mother families amongst black americans isnt a problem but i dont believe crime is ingrained in that community like it is with travellers here

Menace 2 Society is trending on Netflix now. :pac:

Fred Cryton

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Lads, sorry to break up the weep fest over the (wrongful) killing of George Flyod. But as a big believer in personal responsibility and facing the world as it is, rather than how you'd like it to be, let me introduce some relevant stats on race and crime in the US.

• According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans make up 12% of the US population but accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2000

• According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery.

• According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

Would be fantastic to hear some Blacks take personal and community responsibility along the lines of..."our community needs to take a long hard look at ourselves and make every effort to change these crime stats"....but we don't get it. Instead we get the usual victimhood drivel.

No-one deserves to be killed in police custody, and it's fine to protest this, but the issue i have is with the subsequent victimhood weepfest, as well as the attempt to paint every institution as racist, while conveniently ignoring the crime statistics. And the child-like attempt to deflect away any personal or group responsibility.

The final point i'd make is there are many parallels between the US black population and our very own welfare class in it's complete inability to take any responsibility for anything.

You’re completely ignoring the disparity in opportunities available to african american youth and the consequential path towards criminality. This is institutional prejudice taking effect.

It’s very foolish to think you can adequately assess the response by communities to this criminality from your position, unless you happen to have actual personal experience living in and working within the communities you are so quick to deflect blame towards.

But go for it. On the internet, everyone has an expert opinion, right?

CtevenSrowder

Mad_maxx wrote: »

its not a fair comparison , the usa is a deeply unequal society with no welfare state akin to western europe never mind the ultra generous one we have in ireland

there are many legacy issues which contribute to the problems in black america , crime amongst black americans is obviously higher than the average but its small compared to the crime rates amongst the traveller community here , a community who have no hurdles and help if they want to take it

im not saying the issue of single mother families amongst black americans isnt a problem but i dont believe crime is ingrained in that community like it is with travellers here

The idea that it's all because of racism is misleading aswell however. This is one of the problems that America has at the moment, that everything becomes about race (and this is fuelled by the left wing media over there). The problem, imo, is due to poverty and the complete lack of investment into poorer areas.

However when the cry is simply everything is because of racism, the real problem is never discussed and overcome. The right ofcourse is no better, considering they seem to have a fear of any government spending that isn't on the military or the latest War. The 2 party system needs to go alongside the ability for lobbyists to lobby. There is two changes that would make a big difference.

goose2005

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

As good a time as any to remember the words of the Georgian ambassador to Ireland, last November...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ambassador-says-that-georgia-has-eu-status-of-safe-country-38657821.html

The Nigerian ambassador made a similar claim in 2004

"It is the fundamental human right of everyone to seek a better life wherever he or she feels it is available. However, the choice of vilifying Nigeria in a desperate bid for a perceived better life, with encouragement from the Irish media and non-governmental organisations, is a step in the wrong direction."

The statement continues: "Any Nigerian who seeks to discredit his or her country in spite of efforts undertaken by the government and people of Nigeria to improve the quality of life for everyone, is not worthy of being called a good Nigerian."

Silentcorner

The US has a huge gender issue too....it is mostly men in jail, or homeless, or working in all the dangerous and outdoor jobs all the dirtier work, work the longest hours, pay the most taxes, lose the most in divorce...mostly men who are murdered or assaulted...it is a deeply sexist country clearly!!!

Framing is everything!

Mad_maxx

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

The idea that it's all because of racism is misleading aswell however. This is one of the problems that America has at the moment, that everything becomes about race (and this is fuelled by the left wing media over there). The problem, imo, is due to poverty and the complete lack of investment into poorer areas.

However when the cry is simply everything is because of racism, the real problem is never discussed and overcome. The right ofcourse is no better, considering they seem to have a fear of any government spending that isn't on the military or the latest War. The 2 party system needs to go alongside the ability for lobbyists to lobby. There is two changes that would make a big difference.

agreed

DelaneyIn

A teenager gets badly beaten in Limerick for "not supporting Black Lives Matter" or opposing slavery.

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/posts/3466382670073013/?vh=e&d=n

The anti Irish race baiters are partially responsible for this attack. This is the inevitable consequences of their “activism.”

Gatling

DelaneyIn wrote: »

A teenager gets badly beaten in Limerick for "not supporting Black Lives Matter" or opposing slavery.

First thing that will happen the scumbags attacking the lad on the ground will say they were being racially abused and that's the end of that .

Calhoun

From what i have seen in another place online the guy put up a white instagram picture and said white lives matter. His attacker was apparently one black guy and a white guy.

Was this enough for him to be attacked? In a country of laws no it wasn't and all it has done is made hay for racists. The thing is no matter what official Ireland says or does videos like the above will just drive hate.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

DelaneyIn wrote: »

A teenager gets badly beaten in Limerick for "not supporting Black Lives Matter" or opposing slavery.

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/posts/3466382670073013/?vh=e&d=n

The anti Irish race baiters are partially responsible for this attack. This is the inevitable consequences of their “activism.”

The media are the ones driving all of this. Young men bring absolutely barraged by the media telling them the world is all geared up against them. White privelage etc. The downtrodden black man. The racist white people. This is what the end result is and the media will never be held accountable for it.

Woodsie1

Nice payback for being given a safe haven from whatever ****hole their family fled from.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Nice payback for being given a safe haven from whatever ****hole their family fled from.

They were clearly provoked

Woodsie1

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

They were clearly provoked

Lad was raging he only gets 100e a week cos hes 18

Jim Bob Scratcher

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Lad was raging he only gets 100e a week cos hes 18

Poor fella, what would he get in Merica?

kowloonkev

Hunky Monster wrote: »

The media are the ones driving all of this. Young men bring absolutely barraged by the media telling them the world is all geared up against them. White privelage etc. The downtrodden black man. The racist white people. This is what the end result is and the media will never be held accountable for it.

Agree but it's more about the power of social media that is actually impeding free speech among journalists and analysts who are terrified of saying the wrong thing on this kind of issue. They just ride out the storm and don't even try to fight the current because they will be ostracized if they do. Ideological freedom of the press is rapidly reducing.

ThunbergsAreGo

owlbethere wrote: »

There's a bit on the news about racism in general in Ireland.

Basically it said that often black people are more qualified than other people and often they get turned down for jobs and they experience high unemployment.

So say if two people go for an interview, 1 Black person and 1 white person and the job position then goes to one of them and that happens to be the white person. How does that person know they are more qualified than the person who received the job?

There was a lady on the news saying she's often more qualified than the rest of the people and she found it hard to get work and she said she had to reskill.

Our economy crashed back in 2008 and many people lost jobs and there was high unemployment. Many people found it hard to get work for a long time. Many people had to reskill. It wasn't just her. That's not racism.

Would be interested to see where these qualifications are from? There are different requirements for courses in different countries and one in Ireland is likely tailored towards Irish needs. There are many many reasons more qualifications is not better.

In addition there may be no racism about this at all, just as someone with a business degree from trinity might be afforded an interview more than someone with one from Tallaght IT. Snobbish, maybe, racist, no.

But sure let's throw it all in the same bucket.

ThunbergsAreGo

DelaneyIn wrote: »

A teenager gets badly beaten in Limerick for "not supporting Black Lives Matter" or opposing slavery.

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/posts/3466382670073013/?vh=e&d=n

The anti Irish race baiters are partially responsible for this attack. This is the inevitable consequences of their “activism.”

Given they have the video it should be easy to identify the attackers. Regardless of what it was about they should be charged with assault. Could have killed him with one of those kicks

Quantum Erasure

Gatling wrote: »

Another race thread .

what was your first clue?

owlbethere

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Would be interested to see where these qualifications are from? There are different requirements for courses in different countries and one in Ireland is likely tailored towards Irish needs. There are many many reasons more qualifications is not better.

In addition there may be no racism about this at all, just as someone with a business degree from trinity might be afforded an interview more than someone with one from Tallaght IT. Snobbish, maybe, racist, no.

But sure let's throw it all in the same bucket.

I watched that piece on the news yesterday evening and I thought - so she sits in a waiting room for a job interview with others and she doesn't get the job/s and how does she know she's more qualified than the others attending the interview? Was she given the chance to read the other peoples CVs?

Half of the country was out of work because of the crash and found it hard to get work. Its not racism.

All I saw was someone who was feeling hard done by in life and relating it back to her skin colour - "because she was black".

The media will push the narrative that we are such a racist little country and the population will lap it up hook, line and sinker.

Quantum Erasure

goose2005 wrote: »

The Nigerian ambassador made a similar claim in 2004

I don't know what the situation is like in Nigeria, or was 15 years ago, but I wouldn't take his word as gospel, of course he's going to talk up his own country

iebamm2580

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0604/1145522-youre-not-supposed-to-be-here-racism-on-gaa-pitch/

Honesty from this westmeath player, he says there are a few racists in ireland but majority are not and he is glad to live here, its when Black people label all Irish people racist for have a few bad experiences the problems start which the media do not help.

Hunky Monster

Hunky Monster wrote: »

The media are the ones driving all of this. Young men bring absolutely barraged by the media telling them the world is all geared up against them. White privelage etc. The downtrodden black man. The racist white people. This is what the end result is and the media will never be held accountable for it.

Yes, and no. They're involved... but it is the community organisations/leaders who are driving this. They know that to gain privilege in the west. they need to tick certain boxes... Social instability benefits them.

Wombatman

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0604/1145522-youre-not-supposed-to-be-here-racism-on-gaa-pitch/

Honesty from this westmeath player, he says there are a few racists in ireland but majority are not and he is glad to live here, its when Black people label all Irish people racist for have a few bad experiences the problems start which the media do not help.

Interesting what he has to say about BLM.

Many Irish people have posted social media messages supporting the Black Lives Matter movement.

While some dismiss such actions as insincere 'virtue signalling', Saleh appreciates Irish engagement with the issue of racism.

"I think it's encouraging as it means they want to learn about it and find out what's going on," he says.

"The people who are ignoring it are the people who don’t really want to know.

"Learning a bit more about what’s sensitive to different people is key."

iebamm2580

Wombatman wrote: »

Interesting what he has to say about BLM.

Yeah i think there fair points he made, needs to be understanding but also understanding as he says himself Ireland is not america.