COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Dionaibh

Marhay70 wrote: »

People in countries like China, Korea, Singapore etc have been wearing face masks for years now because of poor air quality, I've yet to hear of any reports of mass paranoia because of this.
Reports from Australia say cases of flu are way down this year, probably due to wearing of face masks and increased hand hygiene so it could well be that vulnerable people will continue to wear them, I know I wouldn't have a problem as I'm in one of the high risk groups.

Interesting that you mention Asian countries. I've always wondered why people in countries such as Japan, Thailand, Korea and the Philippines are so deferential to authority, and will never not do something the government tells them to do. There have been zero protests against masks or lockdowns in that part of the world (Japan didn't lock down, of course) and I read recently that Duterte has a 91%, approval rating. This is despite his not allowing people under the ages of 21 and over 60 to leave the house since March except for emergencies, his destroying of the economy through his pointless and neverending lockdowns, and his forcing people to wear a mask and a visor on public transport and planes. And yet 91% of Filipinos support him. Okay, one could argue that people are afraid to say they don't support him, but any Filipino I meet in Europe tells me they support him. I wonder is it more that they respect the office of presidency.

I'm sorry for going off on a bit of a tangent, but your mentioning those countries made me wonder why they always do as they're told.

On the flu, could it also be the case that flu cases were put down as COVID cases?

mandrake04

Marhay70 wrote: »

Reports from Australia say cases of flu are way down this year, probably due to wearing of face masks and increased hand hygiene so it could well be that vulnerable people will continue to wear them, I know I wouldn't have a problem as I'm in one of the high risk groups.

Flu season in Australia is usually introduced April/May, this coincided with reduced travel and movement during this time.

Thierry12

Morries Wigs wrote: »

so after all this the vaccine wont even give you immunisation

Media at its finest

No sterilising immunity was always on the fine print but media ignored it thinking we'd never spot it

No vaccine injected into the muscle will give sterilising immunity for a virus that enters mucous membranes

A nasal or anal one might come out someday ;-)

Hmmzis

seefin wrote: »

What are thoughts about reported cases of reinfection and whether they scupper the hopes of vaccines being successful?

Reinfections are normal for almost any pathogen. For coronaviruses that would be a given more than an exception. The question still needing an anwer is how long the period between infections is for the majority of the population and how the severity dynamics will play out on re-exposure.

For vaccines that's almost irrelevant though, a vaccine is not a wild type infection and durability of the response might have more to do with the design of the vaccine than the wild type pathogen. It's still an area of active research.

This article is worth a read if you're interested in the topic:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer

Gael23

Thierry12 wrote: »

Media at its finest

No sterilising immunity was always on the fine print but media ignored it thinking we'd never spot it

No vaccine injected into the muscle will give sterilising immunity for a virus that enters mucous membranes

A nasal or anal one might come out someday ;-)

To me there’s no point in getting the vaccine in that case

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

To me there’s no point in getting the vaccine in that case

Of course there is.

It'll protect the lungs. Think about it what would you rather being floored and possibly end up in hospital or feel like you've a head cold?

Absolutely is a point. Limiting effects allows us to get back to normal

Thierry12

Gael23 wrote: »

To me there’s no point in getting the vaccine in that case

You'll be less sick thats all

You'll still be infected

I agree its better get it naturally from nature if your young and strong

I cant see them injecting U18s with that vaccine

Those injectable into the muscle vaccines will be adult only

Nasal ones in future that might give sterilising immunity will be for kids imo

Thierry12

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Of course there is.

It'll protect the lungs. Think about it what would you rather being floored and possibly end up in hospital or feel like you've a head cold?

Absolutely is a point. Limiting effects allows us to get back to normal

85% have no symptoms

He might be one of them

Those are good odds

stephenjmcd

Thierry12 wrote: »

85% have no symptoms

He might be one of them

Those are good odds

At the end of the day its still better to get a vaccine than play Russian roulette regardless of what the odds are.

Gael23

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Of course there is.

It'll protect the lungs. Think about it what would you rather being floored and possibly end up in hospital or feel like you've a head cold?

Absolutely is a point. Limiting effects allows us to get back to normal

The only benefit I see to a vaccine is if it turns life back k to what it was in before March

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

The only benefit I see to a vaccine is if it turns life back k to what it was in before March

Well thats the whole point.

If you have less serious disease then life goes back to what it was, sporting events, gigs etc all return

ACitizenErased

There seems to be a lot of people who think a vaccine is just going to eliminate SARS-COVI-2. That's not what it's doing - the aim is to eliminate COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.

Thierry12

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of people who think a vaccine is just going to eliminate SARS-COVI-2. That's not what it's doing - the aim is to eliminate COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.

85% of that is eliminated naturally

When people think of a vaccine they think no infection

These are more like treatments

They eliminate nothing

snotboogie

Dionaibh wrote: »

Interesting that you mention Asian countries. I've always wondered why people in countries such as Japan, Thailand, Korea and the Philippines are so deferential to authority, and will never not do something the government tells them to do. There have been zero protests against masks or lockdowns in that part of the world (Japan didn't lock down, of course) and I read recently that Duterte has a 91%, approval rating. This is despite his not allowing people under the ages of 21 and over 60 to leave the house since March except for emergencies, his destroying of the economy through his pointless and neverending lockdowns, and his forcing people to wear a mask and a visor on public transport and planes. And yet 91% of Filipinos support him. Okay, one could argue that people are afraid to say they don't support him, but any Filipino I meet in Europe tells me they support him. I wonder is it more that they respect the office of presidency.

I'm sorry for going off on a bit of a tangent, but your mentioning those countries made me wonder why they always do as they're told.

On the flu, could it also be the case that flu cases were put down as COVID cases?

Getting off topic but I don't think Thais are deferential to authority. Even the supposedly untouchable monarchy have been turned on by the Thais this year. Thailand is a country where the people have ousted their governments via protest more than any other functioning nation state this century. They even had their Trump/Bolsanaro/Duterte moment 10 years before the rest of the world with Shinawatra.

Hmmzis

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of people who think a vaccine is just going to eliminate SARS-COVI-2. That's not what it's doing - the aim is to eliminate COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.

100%

The viruses and bacteria we have vaccines for are still out there and finding ways to keep causing disease - measles, pertusis, HPV, mumps, rubella, hepatitis a/b, tetanus (bacteria lives in soil, can't be eradicated), diphteria, etc. Are all causing infections and disease almost everywhere. Vaccines have faded them all into the background and they have ceased to be a concern outside of specialist settings. When was the last time anyone has asked their GP to check on the MMR titers?

While eradication of a pathogen is an admirable goal and we've done that with smallpox and got very close to polio, it's not an absolute necessity for humanity to function normally.

astrofool

It's frustrating when all the facts on this thread get lost a few pages back, and those with weird agendas start popping up again.

Thierry12 and Gael23 you've misunderstood how diseases and vaccines work, luckily the doctors working on treatments and vaccines do understand this.

"Go out and get it" is probably the stupidest thing a person can say.

ACitizenErased

Thierry12 wrote: »

85% of that is eliminated naturally

When people think of a vaccine they think no infection

These are more like treatments

They eliminate nothing

I think you're misunderstanding.
The people who are asymptomatic haven't technically got COVID-19, they've simply tested positive for the virus.
COVID-19 is the disease causing minor/severe symptoms.
I'm not a big fan of how the media reports the disease in general.

iguana

Thierry12 wrote: »

85% of that is eliminated naturally

I remember the times I had rubella and mumps as pretty nice times. I had more ice-cream than usual and extended family brought me presents. We should probably stop vaccinating against those too as most people didn't have severe issues.

Thierry12

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think you're misunderstanding.
The people who are asymptomatic haven't technically got COVID-19, they've simply tested positive for the virus.
COVID-19 is the disease causing minor/severe symptoms.
I'm not a big fan of how the media reports the disease in general.

We have 85% immunity then?

They are not getting the disease as you call it

Thierry12

iguana wrote: »

I remember the times I had rubella and mumps as pretty nice times. I had more ice-cream than usual and extended family brought me presents. We should probably stop vaccinating against those too as most people didn't have severe issues.

You trying to be smart or something?

Diarmuid

charlie14 wrote: »

Next time your are in Italy, try walking into a bar or restaurant, or even be in a public place between 6 p.m. and 6.a.m without wearing a face mask and let us know how you get on.

What a bizarre post. No mention in my post about masks for or against. Classic whatbaoutery, when you are unable to deal with the substance of the post

Rrrrrr2

Question- why dont authorities here test the Russian vaccine or a western bio pharma company licence it from the Russians and go through the regulatory tests it would need for European registration?

Dionaibh

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Question- why dont authorities here test the Russian vaccine or a western bio pharma company licence it from the Russians and go through the regulatory tests it would need for European registration?

I fear it's because it's from Russia, and the media are programmed to oppose all things Russia.

irishgeo

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Question- why dont authorities here test the Russian vaccine or a western bio pharma company licence it from the Russians and go through the regulatory tests it would need for European registration?

perhaps they are keeping it for their own use first?

charlie14

jackboy wrote: »

I don’t know about psychological scarring but masks are definitely changing people mentally. I see so many people driving alone in their cars wearing masks. If we get a successful vaccine and COVID is wiped out in the next few months I would still be confident that mask wearing will be common next winter regardless. I suppose you could say that long term behaviours are being changed by mask wearing.

Wearing a mask at work from the outset was a bit strange at first, but in a short time I didn`t even notice.
People wearing them alone in cars I imagine is due to the same. I often found myself driving home afterwards still wearing one.

Dionaibh

charlie14 wrote: »

Wearing a mask at work from the outset was a bit strange at first, but in a short time I didn`t even notice.
People wearing them alone in cars I imagine is due to the same. I often found myself driving home afterwards still wearing one.

But you've just described the problem: the normalisation of masks. Masks rob people of their humanity. No smiles, no expressions, just masks everywhere.

Cordell

You know what else rob people of their humanity? Getting dead.

charlie14

Dionaibh wrote: »

But you've just described the problem: the normalisation of masks. Masks rob people of their humanity. No smiles, no expressions, just masks everywhere.

I have no wish to clutter up a very informative thread on vaccine/antidote and testing procedures discussing face masks.
There is probably a thread here devoted to the subject. If not then perhaps you should consider starting your own.
One thing I will tell you from experience though. I have yet to see many smiles or expressions on the face of a corpse.

Beasty

charlie14 wrote: »

Wearing a mask at work from the outset was a bit strange at first, but in a short time I didn`t even notice.
People wearing them alone in cars I imagine is due to the same. I often found myself driving home afterwards still wearing one.

Dionaibh wrote: »

But you've just described the problem: the normalisation of masks. Masks rob people of their humanity. No smiles, no expressions, just masks everywhere.

Take your mask discussion to the masks thread - it's not for here

Cordell

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Question- why dont authorities here test the Russian vaccine or a western bio pharma company licence it from the Russians and go through the regulatory tests it would need for European registration?

Because no one really trust them. No one trust them that they didn't fudge the numbers so far, so they would have to start from phase 1, and they're already doing that with their own vaccines.
The russians are not ahead with their vaccine, not even them actually claim that, but they launched some rumors that imply they are. They aren't.